Contrasts and Colors are off when exporting in Photoshop
Hi,
i have a big problem !
When i end to work on a Raw file in Capture One (with Prophoto and Perceptive mode as soft proofing), i use the "Edit with" function to open the file in Photoshop CC as a Tiff 16 bits Prophoto file.
Without doing nothing, when i compare the Tiff and the Raw in Capture One, the contrast and colors are off !
Is it me doing something wrong ? I have no solution.
Regards.
i have a big problem !
When i end to work on a Raw file in Capture One (with Prophoto and Perceptive mode as soft proofing), i use the "Edit with" function to open the file in Photoshop CC as a Tiff 16 bits Prophoto file.
Without doing nothing, when i compare the Tiff and the Raw in Capture One, the contrast and colors are off !
Is it me doing something wrong ? I have no solution.
Regards.
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Moreover, the file have an other look in Photoshop, nearly like the Tiff look in Capture One with -0,2 Exposure.
I am lost...
I never had this problem using Lightroom.0 -
I add that i work on a Macbook Pro Retina with OS X 10.10.5 and Capture One 8.3.3. 0 -
Something is going wrong...
Even if i export the file in Jpeg sRGB and import it back into Capture One, i see the same problem : i loose saturation and the shadows raise up.
What do i do wrong ?
When i work on my Fujifilm X-T1 Raw file, i have the Soft-Proofing set as Profoto and Perceptive.
Is there an option i don't know ?
Please, i need help soon as my studio has to be closed until the problem is solved.
Coming from Lightroom, i never had this kind of problem.0 -
What happens with Lightroom really isn't relevant, but you're describing a known problem which has been raised by several other forum members.
No solution has been forthcoming as yet, although I think it has been confirmed by Phase One staff as an accepted bug: it will presumably be fixed by the next release, but you'll only find out for sure by raising a support case.0 -
My biggest problem is that it is what i get in Photoshop too !
Even if i export a Jpeg in sRGB.
It has to be something wrong with me as i can't imagine that i am the only one seeing this.
I am unable to have the same contrasts and colors in Photoshop, here is the biggest problem.0 -
This is an exemple. I ended my work on the Fujifilm X-T1 Raw file in Capture One (with soft-proofing as ProPhoto and Relative) and so exported it as a Tiff 16 bits ProPhoto file for opening it in Photoshop. Nothing was made in Photoshop and i am in Prophoto color space. As you can see in this screenshot, we loose saturation in the blue jacket and the blacks raise up. This is my biggest problem and i can't imagine being the only one seeing this. It has to be my fault but which one ?
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5749/21417669993_c9acb2d820_z.jpgCapture d’écran 2015-10-08 à 18.16.22 by Naninou A, sur Flickr0 -
Hello,
Whatever the remaining shortcomings of CO1 color management, what you are experiencing is not related to CO1 persé. Tiff files that are properly exported in a large color space and viewed in Photoshop, shóuld closely match the raw preview in CO1.
So this leads more into the direction of:
-Is your screen calibrated?
-If so, is Photoshop using the right monitor profile?
-Is the proof profile set in CO1 the output profile? (prophoto in your case). It appears you have got this set right. So you could choose a normal output processing instead of the "edit-with" command.
Brightening of the shadows with tiff and jpeg images however Ãs a CO1 bug.
Chris0 -
[quote="Naninou" wrote:
... Even if i export the file in Jpeg sRGB and import it back into Capture One, i see the same problem : i loose saturation and the shadows raise up. ...
I have a lot of color issues when bringing TIFF and JPEG into CO. Loss of saturation, changes in brightness and tint. (Support case filed and confirmed.) Therefore this doesn't surprise me. And the bigger the color space, the bigger the problem. Maybe it is because CO states "TIFF File neutral" and "Jpeg File neutral" as their profile? And I cannot set AdobeRGB, sRGB or others manually, because they are output profiles, not input profiles? I don't know for sure, but CO seems to drop the profile and treat them like 'neutral' instead.
But I have not seen any issues on 'Export' and 'Edit With' from Canon RAW. I tried them with Profoto profile now, 16 bit TIFF out into PS with one of my images. The colors match nicely. I've had them side by side, just like the example shown here. In my little experiment, I cannot reproduce your problem. There must be something else going on.
Regards,
Hans0 -
Hi everyone,
i took time this morning to record a screen video in order to show in detail the problem : https://youtu.be/xiwu-bOJAsM
And i created a Dropbox folder with the original file and settings : https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xmf0h7yd6qja ... mLKca?dl=0
A big thank you to take time to help me finding the error.
You will find all the details about my color management settings in the video.
I can reproduce the same problem with others files including some saturated blue.
I tried to replicate the problem in Lightroom making some equal development settings and sending the file into Photoshop but here the contrast and color are perfectly equal.
I can't find the problem, as the support tells me that i should be my fault.
Best regards.0 -
hi naninou,
what you see is one of the still unsolved fundamental flaws of c1 - images with strong chroma noise/artifacts are displayed incorrect in any view other than 100 %. from my experience the drift is related to the amount of chroma noise the image contains. LR has no problem in this regard. this issue is not related to color-management or file formats !0 -
Horseoncowboy can you give more details on those, or link where similar issue discussed and acknowledge by PO. Because I do think that I also sometimes observer similar app behaviour, but was not able to trace it correctly 0 -
it was discussed here before but i can´t remember when . maybe you do a forum search ? i have the feeling that from PO side there is not much interest in this issue, even the usual PO defender did not join in to tell me i´m wrong 😉 0 -
Yes, you have to be really careful of the previews from CO. DO NOT compare CO images to PS image except at 100%. Each program is going to have their own scaling from full image to the screen image, and I find CO's to be the worse. I think the issue is most other program works with the full res of the image, (Aperture and I believe by default LR always generate FULL res previews, and of course PS is always using the full res.), while CO uses a scaled preview, that they suggest you set to your screen size. So when CO show previews at screen resolutions it is using the JPEG preview with the adjustment applied, not applying the adjustments to the full res then scaling down.
Robert0 -
I would like to thank everyone who helped me understand the problem and apologize for the late answer.
The fact is before to understand what was going on i had to close the studio for several days and so i have accumulated a delay for my clients.
I will comme back to this thread in several days to talk more about this problem.
Regards.0 -
Hi
You are not alone in experiencing this problem and it is not a new issue. I have raised a number of support cases over the last few years regarding differences between the C1 preview and the processed file when opened in Photoshop; the problem was so bad on a couple of occasions that I ended up using a different raw convertor for certain files. I certainly do not trust the colours shown in C1, which is ridiculous considering that Phase markets it as THE professional raw conversion tool.
Robert is absolutely correct when he writes that you can only rely on the accuracy of the C1 preview at 100% and this, in the end,was the only solution that Phase support could offer. However, in my view, this is not very helpful as I do not see how it is possible to adjust overall colours and contrast within an image at 100% magnification. I really feel that Phase have buried their heads in the sand with regard to this particular problem.
I did do some testing comparing the preview in other raw convertors and Photoshop and must admit that they also showed some differences with certain images. But, having said that, I would say that the differences shown in C1 are the most pronounced and frequently occurring.
I'm afraid that, until Phase address the problem (which they have shown no willingness to do up to this point) with changes to the underlying preview generation, the issue will persist. I'm sorry I can't offer a solution.
Best
Liam0 -
I am just curios, did you playing with setting called Rendering Intent in setting menu - Absolute Colorimetric is much more strict, and gives better results when working wide color spaces at least for me. Because Perceptual intent is never 100% accurate from a software standpoint 0 -
[quote="Andriy.Okhrimets" wrote:
I am just curios, did you playing with setting called Rendering Intent in setting menu - Absolute Colorimetric is much more strict, and gives better results when working wide color spaces at least for me. Because Perceptual intent is never 100% accurate from a software standpoint
the rendering intend effects the color rendering from the camera profile to the outputprofile or the proof profile setting but does not have any influence on how images are rendered to the monitor profile. there is no case where i can see that absolut colormetric has any advantage more the opposite is true . the c1 camera profiles have a d50 whitepoint adobe rgb d65 so when you use absolut you will get a yellow cast because of the whitepoint missmatch ! relativ colorimetric does the same colormatching as absolut but without whitepoint adjustment.0 -
Thank you Horseoncowboy that make perfrect sense.
But I was under impression that problem is that viewer is comparing image viewed in C1 to exported image and that is where Rendering intend makes sense.0 -
Hello. I do not mean to bring up an older thread but I am indeed having the same exact problem where photos that I edit in Capture One look different color wise from the Tiff imported to Photoshop unless at 100% and even then there are sometimes color problems, especially at higher ISOs. I am using Capture One 9.1 but I did not see a similar complaint in the thread for that newer version and I wonder if anyone shares this problem? 0 -
If anyone still struggle. Go to edit--->color settings ----> advanced settings and remove the hook for desaturate screen with 23%. Problem solved:)
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Hi,
I solved a similar problem creating a new recipe.
format: tiff 16 bit
options: uncompressed
icc profile: adobe rgb
resolution: 300
scale: fixed 100%
Hope this helps
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