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Global changes

Lance Blackburn
When I view older RAW images, under "Base Characteristics" - "ICC Profile" "Curve" and "Engine", I may have some older ICC Profiles as "Film" and may have "Engine as "Capture One 7". What I would like to globally alter *automatically* is every image to be in the new Engine of Capture One 8 and the Curve as "Auto". Is there a way to do this. I know I can open each folder up and do a "Select All", but that means going through every folder and doing this. Surely there is a way to have a default setting where every file/folder is changed to the latest Engine, that being Capture One 8 and also use "Auto" for the Curve. Even when I did do a "Select All" for one of my folders and altered them all to Capture One 8, it didn't alter all the Curves to "Auto", but left them blank. I then click on an image that hasn't had the Curve altered and I get an "Event" dialogue box telling me that the "Film curve was not found".

ANy help would be appreciated.

Lance
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  • SFA
    Hi Lance,

    If using Sessions when you open a V7 (or a V6) session you get the opportunity to run a mass update for the session and C1 will create a backup for the old session as it was - just in case.

    I assume you are using Catalogues?

    There are some significant differences in the results for some images when processing with the V8 engine rather than V7. Whilst many may look almost identical a few may not depending on which tools and setting you may have used.

    Your profile problem is one example of course but even without that some of the tools are notably different and MAY have an evident effect.

    One way to compare is to not attempt a mass convert and then open an image processes with the V7 engine then create a new variant. That will deploy the V8 engine. Then you can put them into the viewer side by side and contemplate whether simply converting will give you the results you like. It is possible there will be little or no difference in most images - but there may be quite a significant difference so best to run some checks, especially for any "important" images.

    The "Auto" curve setting will, almost always, deploy the "Film Standard" curve for the camera. Or whatever alternative default ICC profile you may have set. The text will simply show as "Auto".

    If the ICC Profile is showing as "Film" then it suggests it is non-standard and therefore may not be part of the V8 installation process.

    Is that a possibility? If so there should be a few things one could do to "find" them. If not - it's not worth describing how to find them! (Does the Event dialogue provide a path for the file?)

    I'm not sure what the "Auto" curve value would relate to for a non-standard ICC profile's definition. I would imagine it would depend on the contents of the profile.

    HTH.


    Grant
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  • Lance Blackburn
    Hi Grant,

    Thank you for your info.

    I have been using COP8 since it has been available and using Capture One since about 2005. I probably don't use it to it's full potential but I am very proficient at getting excellent results and the results that I require.

    I think I am using Sessions(?) but I am not sure. I never really worked out what the difference was between Sessions and Catalogue and never bothered to find out as the way I was doing it always worked for me and that is, I just go to my system folders and select the folder and open that folder to view the RAW images and adjust then saving to TIFF for final tweaking in Photoshop.

    Anyway, my main desire is to get the Engine to change globally from V7 to V8 as this allows many news features like the ability to use WB on a layer when masking as shadow WB is different to non shadow and highlights - something that I had been asking Phase One to do for many years I might add. Not only that, but the output from V8 seems much better than previous versions.

    Anyway, as for the ICC Curve, even though I "Select All" for a group of files in a folder and then select "Auto", it ends up leaving it blank for all the images selected and I still have to select each one as I go. As I said, I get a dialogue box that tells me that there was an error and "Film Standard" could not be located.

    Cheers,
    Lance
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  • SFA
    Hi Lance,

    If you are not importing anything you are using the session concept - but in a rather loose way I suspect based on your description. Since there were no catalogues in C1 before V7 if you have not changed your workflow from what you used in versions prior to 7 then you are working in a "partial" session mode.

    That's fine in itself but leaves you with a lot of individual folders an files (probably) rather than files grouped together in a Session that can be upgraded en masse. Or at least - I think that is probably what you have.

    If my assumptions are correct it is a matter of deciding whether grouping multiple folder together as "identified" in your single session makes sense just for the purpose of auto upgrading to the V8 engine. As I mentioned previously there are differences and, frankly, there may be situations where an image changes quite a lot form the way you previously left it. Indeed this is the advantage that you seek ... but for this to happen in a batch in the background as a non-reversible process is not something I would do without assessing the likely results. (At least it is non-reversible without resorting to backup and running V7 again - you have retained V7 rather than overwriting it haven't you?)

    I'm not really sure what to suggest at this point if you do indeed decide to go for an automated global V8 update.

    However, before we get to that you would need to resolve the missing "Film Standard" curve issue or the updates won't happen anyway.

    For those images that are problematic;

    What is the camera/image source?
    What is the file extension? (are they RAW files?)
    What description do you see for the ICC Profile (The Curve is a sub-selection within that profile)

    Let's see if we can identify what is happening there before before moving on to the global update to V8 which, in my opinion and experience, does not matter too much unless you are about to allocate time to reviewing previously processed images with a view to re-issuing them. In which case updating during re-processing makes more sense to me.


    HTH.


    Grant
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  • Lance Blackburn
    Hi Grant,

    Thank you for your valuable help and suggestions.

    Yes, I am sure I am using "sessions" system. However, I think I will just upgrade to C8 as I go - although I have just upgraded to COP9 now and things seem to work very well.

    My files are Nikon RAW files, and I put them in folders in lots of 100 images (or there-abouts) and listed in year, then subfolders labelled by month and then subfolders of about 100 images each, each folder just being numbered 1, 2, 3 etc under that particular month. It's probably not the most elegant system, but it works for me and I can quickly get to an image if I know the imnage number or about when i took the image. All files are Nikon RAW files.

    I am using a Nikon D810 at the moment, coming from a D800 and then D800E. When I was first using the D800/D800E series of camera, I was using uncompressed 14bit images and ending up with 75+MB files, which did cause some issus with COP7 and COP8 for speed and stability, however, I have since been using the lossless compressed 14 bit files and they are a much more manageable 45MB or thereabouts - less stability issues. However, when I have gond back to some of my old D800/D800E files, then the problems with the dialogue box would appear. I have not overwritten COP7.

    Anyway, COP9 looks to be a much faster version and upgrading seems to work much easier for some reason and I am not getting the dialogue box error either when it can't find the ICC curve! All is good....so far. I will just update each folder's images as I do a session on it as I go.

    Cheers,
    Lance
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