The new MAC pro and C1
Hi everybody,
I am about to procure a Mac Pro, I just wonder if anybody has tried to run C1 pro (rel 7) with the GPU's before I upgrade our
Post Processing capabilities ?
GPU specs:
-Dual AMD FirePro D500 graphics processors
-3GB of GDDR5 VRAM
The other reason is the support for the 4K monitor, I wonder if PO will release a KB on this or if they have tested it so far.
Happy holidays.
I am about to procure a Mac Pro, I just wonder if anybody has tried to run C1 pro (rel 7) with the GPU's before I upgrade our
Post Processing capabilities ?
GPU specs:
-Dual AMD FirePro D500 graphics processors
-3GB of GDDR5 VRAM
The other reason is the support for the 4K monitor, I wonder if PO will release a KB on this or if they have tested it so far.
Happy holidays.
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I too, as I am sure a lot of people, are waiting in the wings to hear from PO what plans it has to upgrade C1 to take advantage of the new MacPro.
On a positive note I must say I was surprised to hear back from customer support on the 24th of December! Nice one!
Now on with the good news....
Alessandro0 -
Would there be some type of automatic support, since C1 uses OpenCL and the Mac Pro GPUs expects OpenCL? Or will there still have to be a C1 update to enable that support specifically?
If C1 could make true use of the GPUs, and show a substantial performance increase, it would be a real competitive advantage over Lightroom and Aperture (until, and if, Aperture gets it's long expected update).0 -
[quote="BobRockefeller" wrote:
Would there be some type of automatic support, since C1 uses OpenCL and the Mac Pro GPUs expects OpenCL? Or will there still have to be a C1 update to enable that support specifically?
If C1 could make true use of the GPUs, and show a substantial performance increase, it would be a real competitive advantage over Lightroom and Aperture (until, and if, Aperture gets it's long expected update).
Hi Bob,
C1 can run with or without acceleration , it is under preferences and can be set to auto or never mode . If you were to run it in auto mode, it will then make use of the Graphical Processor Unit (video card) that supports OpenCl. If it does noyt work you will notice it on the pictures on the screen (lots of black) and you can check the C1 log files(user-library-log) to see why it did not work. As far as I am aware the current video card in the Mac Pro is not listed in the KB's.
Kind regads,
Steve0 -
just wait a little bit b4 upgrade. 0 -
Tested my new Mac Pro with Capture One: while it is lightning fast in Processing with OpenCL, it is making too many black pictures etc. OpenCL for developing doesn't really work yet. 0 -
Now I've tested capture one and Open CL on a fresh installed system. Very fast and no faults. It seems I have had something in my old system that caused black pictures... 0 -
Am I to understand that you are getting OSX 10.9.1 to work with Open CL? Tech support told me that wasn't possible. Are you sure that your system is just fast without Open CL? I have the newest macbook pro with all options and I thought my system was using Open CL until I checked the Capture log files. Some times I get the CVM compiler fail on launch, sometimes not. I thought it was working when I did not get warning on launch. The CaptureOneICOCL.log always has "shutting down" at launch even if there is no warning at launch.
I opened a ticket and Phase ONE REPLIED:
It would seem that you are using hardware that is not yet compatable due to the Mavericks OS.
Apple has made changes that they cannot yet provide us a solution for the use of OpenCL.
System Profile:
Model: MacBookPro11,3, BootROM MBP112.0138.B02, 4 processors, Intel Core i7, 2.6 GHz, 16 GB, SMC 2.19f3
Graphics: Intel Iris Pro, Intel Iris Pro, Built-In, 1024 MB
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M, NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M, PCIe, 2048 MB0 -
C1 is working fine with OpenCL under 10.9.2 for previews etc.
For processing: sometimes OpenCL works great and without any mistakes, sometimes pictures have black parts. With Open CL generating 120MB Tiff needs about 1,2 seconds, without Open CL about 4 seconds.
I'm working on a small 4Core Mac Pro 6,1 with two D300s.0 -
It's a little fishy that they told me to disable Open CL due to Mavericks. My GPU is on the OK list. Can you check your USER>Library>logs>CaptureOneICOCL.log file and see if it says "shutting down"
(from finder hold option and click GO menu down to Library)
If you are getting improved speeds, I wonder if my system could be reporting false logs?
Anyone else having success with Late 2013 Macbook Pro w/ NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M and Open CL? If it is working on his system, its not Mavericks.0 -
After "shutting down" it says: "OpenCL allocations : 1048576 bytes"
And CaptureOneIC.log is doing a little benchmarking: "OpenCL benchMark : 0.182484"
Is your Mac much slower if OpenCL is turned off? So why don't you try to use it and measure e.g. generating new proxies...0 -
The ICOCL file it not an indicator for openCL being in CO used or not. It's a compiler log file.
To increase the speed of the openCL parts of CO, the kernel is compiled and saved once for a given hardware/software combination. Only if this combination changes the compiler will run again.
So what you see here is the OpenCL init going on, and shutting down, as it is using the precompiled kernel.
With regards to the GT750M/GT650M and the Mavericks, then this issue will be solved with OSX 10.9.2 (which is already available).0 -
The new mac pro, d700 gpu's with acceleration on auto for processing is not compatible for me. Processed jpegs have random black squares on them. 0 -
I don't have the processing errors or to the speed boost. I don't get any crashes or system warnings since CO 7.2, but open CL still isn't speeding my system up. Console still has "10000[469]: [CL_INVALID_KERNEL] : OpenCL Error : Failed to release kernel! Kernel given is invalid!" listed hundreds of times on launch.
Here are my processing speed tests. Nikon D800 full frame files to Tiff. 103 MB files:
Same 10 frames on all tests--
Open CL set to "Auto" time 1:15
Open CL set to "Never" time 1:05.
10 seconds slower with Open CL, both however very fast.
Late 2013 Macbook Pro (11.3) i7 2.6 GHz 16 G ram NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M
Sorry I hijacked the Mac Pro thread, but if they are blaming Mavericks for the problem, Open CL should fail on the new Mac Pro also.0 -
[quote="dale11833" wrote:
The new mac pro, d700 gpu's with acceleration on auto for processing is not compatible for me. Processed jpegs have random black squares on them.
The GPU's in the new Mac Pro are not yet supported. We will be updating CO7 to fix this.0 -
[quote="DigiTim2" wrote:
I don't have the processing errors or to the speed boost. I don't get any crashes or system warnings since CO 7.2, but open CL still isn't speeding my system up. Console still has "10000[469]: [CL_INVALID_KERNEL] : OpenCL Error : Failed to release kernel! Kernel given is invalid!" listed hundreds of times on launch.
Here are my processing speed tests. Nikon D800 full frame files to Tiff. 103 MB files:
Same 10 frames on all tests--
Open CL set to "Auto" time 1:15
Open CL set to "Never" time 1:05.
10 seconds slower with Open CL, both however very fast.
Late 2013 Macbook Pro (11.3) i7 2.6 GHz 16 G ram NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M
Sorry I hijacked the Mac Pro thread, but if they are blaming Mavericks for the problem, Open CL should fail on the new Mac Pro also.
Did you update to 10.9.2 as I mentioned in my previous post ? There was a driver issue in 10.9.0 and 10.9.1, which has been fixed in 10.9.2. This does not apply to the new Mac Pro, as it only concerns the 650M and 750M gpu's.0 -
Yes, I updated to 10.9.2. 0 -
Any advise on which one to go for, quad with d300's or six core D500's, can't decide.
I'll be processing 1dx files, no video.
I've looked at Macperformanceguide.com and there doesn't seem to be much in it.0 -
Just an update on the current OpenCL status of Capture One 7.2 and Mac Pro (late 2013).
First of all you need 10.9.1 for the Mac Pro and 10.9.2 for the latest Macbook Pro.
Second Capture One 7.2 will work reliable when the have the "top of the line" dual D700 card. The other Mac Pro models using D500 and D300 cards will not work correctly, and you have to set the "Never" flag in the settings.
However we have identified the problems with D500 and D300 and will release an update to Capture One 7.2 very soon.
On a general note both the GPU and the CPU, as well as the SSD speed gives you the best performance of Capture One 7.2 to date. The high end Mac Pro (12 core CPU) provides a really fast RAM access and 20MB of level 3 cache - enabling speed enhancements in basically all aspects of Capture One.
Happy processing.
-Lionel0 -
[quote="Edward2" wrote:
Any advise on which one to go for, quad with d300's or six core D500's, can't decide.
I'll be processing 1dx files, no video.
I've looked at Macperformanceguide.com and there doesn't seem to be much in it.
As a rule of thumb, the D500 is at index 150 compared to the D300 models. The D700 is at index 200. The models also have different CPU's. The 12 core version is about 2x the speed of the 6 core model. But all Mac Pro (late 2013) are great machines, and will process the 1Dx files in less than 1 sec...
-Lionel0 -
Should my [b]Late 2013 Macbook Pro (11.3) i7 2.6 GHz 16 G ram NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M OSX 10.9.2 work with Open CL? Mine still doesn't. Console has "3/7/14 1:54:32.449 PM 10000[5318]: [CL_INVALID_KERNEL] : OpenCL Error : Failed to release kernel! Kernel given is invalid!" listed over 100 times on Capture one launch. 0 -
[quote="Lionel12" wrote:
[quote="Edward2" wrote:
Any advise on which one to go for, quad with d300's or six core D500's, can't decide.
I'll be processing 1dx files, no video.
I've looked at Macperformanceguide.com and there doesn't seem to be much in it.
As a rule of thumb, the D500 is at index 150 compared to the D300 models. The D700 is at index 200. The models also have different CPU's. The 12 core version is about 2x the speed of the 6 core model. But all Mac Pro (late 2013) are great machines, and will process the 1Dx files in less than 1 sec...
-Lionel
Thanks, bought the quad with D300's, delivered today, not had a big chance to test it out yet.0 -
You'll have to wait for OpenCL support by Capture One. It's not working well, now with OpenCL. Hope phaseone will support it soon! 0 -
[quote="DigiTim2" wrote:
Should my [b]Late 2013 Macbook Pro (11.3) i7 2.6 GHz 16 G ram NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M OSX 10.9.2 work with Open CL? Mine still doesn't. Console has "3/7/14 1:54:32.449 PM 10000[5318]: [CL_INVALID_KERNEL] : OpenCL Error : Failed to release kernel! Kernel given is invalid!" listed over 100 times on Capture one launch.
Please delete icocl.bin in this location: /Users/Shared/Capture One/ImageCore
Then allow up to 10 minutes for the OpenCL kernel to rebuild first time you CO again.0 -
Please delete icocl.bin in this location: /Users/Shared/Capture One/ImageCore
Then allow up to 10 minutes for the OpenCL kernel to rebuild first time you CO again.
Thanks so much, but this didn't help with OpenCL problem. I don't get the kernel thing in console, but process speed is still slower with Open CL. Possible suspicious logs in console while processing:
{3/12/14 9:29:24.635 AM CaptureCoreServer[4663]: ICARegisterEventNotification-Has been deprecated since 10.5. Calls to this function in the future may crash this application. Please move to ImageCaptureCore}
{3/12/14 9:33:47.000 AM kernel[0]: process ImgCoreProcess[4658] caught causing excessive wakeups. Observed wakeups rate (per sec): 170; Maximum permitted wakeups rate (per sec): 150; Observation period: 300 seconds; Task lifetime number of wakeups: 45005
3/12/14 9:33:47.606 AM ReportCrash[4688]: Invoking spindump for pid=4658 wakeups_rate=170 duration=265 because of excessive wakeups
3/12/14 9:33:49.390 AM spindump[4689]: Saved wakeups_resource.spin report for ImgCoreProcess version ??? (???) to /Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports/ImgCoreProcess_2014-03-12-093349_MiniMe3.wakeups_resource.spin
Any ideas?0 -
The Macbook Pro has a graphics card buildin the CPU (Haswell 5200 GPU). Also it has the Nvidia 750. It turns out the Nvidia is a rather slow card - from an OpenCL point of view. We are working on utilizing both GPU's - which should benefit the Macbook Pro.
-Lionel0 -
Capture One 7.2 will work reliable when the have the "top of the line" dual D700 card
For me, D700 doesn't work when processing files in C1 7.2 and acceleration set to auto. I'm getting black squares on my processed jpegs.
Am I missing something Lionel?0 -
For me, D700 doesn't work when processing files in C1 7.2 and acceleration set to auto. I'm getting black squares on my processed jpegs.
As I said before, Capture One needs to be updated for the new Mac Pro. I've got the same problem with the D300. Sometimes it worked correct, sometimes not. Hope it will be updated soon. Worst case: Phase One waits until Version 8 and wants to get paid for it. Without greater bugs, Version 8.2.1 would do the job in october ☹️0 -
after same days and same CO update what's your opinion on new MacPro?
In particular I would like to now your experience on MacPro quad core D300 vs IMac 27 (GTX780 4GB) on CO7 usage, I'm not really interested in tethering and considering the cost is almost similar.
Thanks in advance for your opinions, roby0 -
I'm happy with my quad/D300's/32gb RAM (went from a mid 2010 quad) and will be even happier when Apple update the graphics drivers so C1 works properly with Open CL, at the moment I have to have it switched off.
I opened a ticket with support and PhaseOne can't do anything until Apple sort the graphics drivers...0
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