Processed / exported images on Win 10 look terrible

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  • Ian Wilson
    I’m on a Mac, but I believe that the problem may be that the default Windows picture viewer is not colour-managed. How do your images look in other viewers?

    Ian
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  • Robert Whetton
    [quote="calvin.powers" wrote:

    Someone please tell me I am not going insane and that this is a known phenomena. Bonus points if you can help me figure out how to make pics display correctly on Windows 10. It's really quite annoying because i have no idea how they are going to look when I upload them to the web.

    Calvin Powers

    Which colour profile are you using?
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  • Robert Whetton
    Actually scrub that - did a little testing
    left to right - Camera Profile, ARGB, sRGB, C1
    https://photographs.rjwhetton.co.uk/forums/previews.jpg

    I think something deeper must be going on with your system, especially if it looks correct after a 5 second delay.
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  • Calvin Powers
    [quote="Bobtographer" wrote:
    [quote="calvin.powers" wrote:

    Someone please tell me I am not going insane and that this is a known phenomena. Bonus points if you can help me figure out how to make pics display correctly on Windows 10. It's really quite annoying because i have no idea how they are going to look when I upload them to the web.

    Calvin Powers

    Which colour profile are you using?


    I am using sRGB.
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  • Calvin Powers
    You can see an example of my problem

    http://calvinpowers.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/photo-problem.png

    From left to right, the first sindow shows the capture one edited version, pre-export. I.e. the variant I am working on.

    The middle widow shows the exported (sRGB recipe) image in the brave browser and it looks great. The third window shows the windows 10 built in picture viewer and you can see it looks super saturated and reddish.

    I did some other tests on different photo editors and lots of them also show the image badly. I was surprised that GIMP displays the image poorly. Likewise with the built in paint program and the libre office draw program. In fact the only thing that seems to display the image correctly is the brave browser.

    So the mystery deepens. Could it be that I need to change the colorspace used when editing on capture one? If so how would I do that? On the output recipe I have sRGB IEC61966-2.1 selected. Is that the one I should be using for images destined for the web?

    Any thoughts, theories, suggestions appreciated!!
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  • Robert Whetton
    How is your screen calibrated?
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  • Calvin Powers
    [quote="Bobtographer" wrote:
    How is your screen calibrated?


    Hmmm, Wasn't really sure how to answer that question. I'm new to the world of photography and editing.

    But I went into advanced display options and noticed a panel called color management. The default was set to something generlicly labeled "Laptop LCD monitor". There are lots of additional "ICC Profiles" listed, which were all greek to me, but I did notice one called sRGB IEC61966-2.1 which is the same label I see on my output recipes. So I selected that an rebooted my machine.

    That has helped a LOT. So I learned something today!

    Thanks
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  • Clau_S
    [quote="calvin.powers" wrote:
    [quote="Bobtographer" wrote:
    How is your screen calibrated?


    Hmmm, Wasn't really sure how to answer that question. I'm new to the world of photography and editing.

    But I went into advanced display options and noticed a panel called color management. The default was set to something generlicly labeled "Laptop LCD monitor". There are lots of additional "ICC Profiles" listed, which were all greek to me, but I did notice one called sRGB IEC61966-2.1 which is the same label I see on my output recipes. So I selected that an rebooted my machine.

    That has helped a LOT. So I learned something today!

    Thanks


    Sorry, but you risk to have learnt a wrong lesson this way 'cause your "the same label" assumption is simply bad. sRGB is a working color space. Monitor profiles have to describe your monitor color properties, so using a standard color space as monitor profile is not a proper thing to do. The more they differ, the bad it is.

    The issue you described for example matches what happens viewing an sRGB picture in a wide-gamut monitor through a non color-managed viewer. Was that the actual situation? I don't know. Where does that "Laptop LCD monitor" come from? Did you install it with your monitor? Did you ever have it calibrated with a colorimeter? Was it just loaded or activated too?

    It's obvious that what you are doing is based on what you don't know about color management so I would suggest you to go and read something about it to have a comprehension of what icc profiles are and what they are used for. And so I would suggest you to remove any color profile set in advanced display options until you have an idea if that is good or not.
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  • Calvin Powers
    The issue you described for example matches what happens viewing an sRGB picture in a wide-gamut monitor through a non color-managed viewer. Was that the actual situation? I don't know. Where does that "Laptop LCD monitor" come from? Did you install it with your monitor? Did you ever have it calibrated it with a colorimeter? Was it just loaded or activated too?


    The original color profile is what came with the laptop and I have never calibrated the screen or anything else. So yeah, i'll need to go do some reading because I don't care how nice it looks in Capture One if it does not look nice on other people's screens.
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  • Robert Whetton
    [quote="calvin.powers" wrote:
    The issue you described for example matches what happens viewing an sRGB picture in a wide-gamut monitor through a non color-managed viewer. Was that the actual situation? I don't know. Where does that "Laptop LCD monitor" come from? Did you install it with your monitor? Did you ever have it calibrated it with a colorimeter? Was it just loaded or activated too?


    The original color profile is what came with the laptop and I have never calibrated the screen or anything else. So yeah, i'll need to go do some reading because I don't care how nice it looks in Capture One if it does not look nice on other people's screens.

    You're working with a Laptop.. do you know if it's using a TN or IPS screen?
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  • Calvin Powers
    You're working with a Laptop.. do you know if it's using a TN or IPS screen?


    I have a Thinkpad X1 and according to this page ThinkPads have IPS displays:

    https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/faqs/pc-life-faqs/what-is-ips/
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