Will Lightroom4 drop Capture One 6 out?
Hello people, here is LightRoom 4 coming out soon, what are your thoughts?
I think people want wo do more things now directly in RAW converter and then have little fun in Photoshop.
Please tell me your thoughts, will you switch to LightRoom 4, or will stay with Capture One6?
I'm so lost...please i need your points, thank you...
I think people want wo do more things now directly in RAW converter and then have little fun in Photoshop.
Please tell me your thoughts, will you switch to LightRoom 4, or will stay with Capture One6?
I'm so lost...please i need your points, thank you...
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Hi all,
Since a year ago I selected C1 over LR3 after running some 30 days trials with both s/w´s. Two main reasons were
- I felt C1 is simpler to use, not so many sliders and buttons etc. which made C1 to best fit with my workflow
-Particularly in landscape photos I gained more pleasant results from C1, especially handling of haze etc.
Now, after one year experience, I need to say that I am a bit disappointed about the reliability of C1. At least to my degree it crashes too often and I start to become a bit frustrated. Moreover, when I´m now running trials with Media Pro (due to fact that annotating is miserable in C1) my fustration still increases because I feel that MP as such is even less reliable, and that there are so many problems in getting C1 and MP sychronized. I can even see more problems in using C1 alone (more than earlier), when MP is installed(but not running) in my computer, don´t know why.
I have not had time to learn LR4, but my point is that in order to be competitive against Adobe, PO should now pay much attention to the s/w (C1 and MP) quality issues.
B.r: Mark0 -
[quote="Sheldon" wrote:
Sometimes I think it could be the differences in corporate cultures between europe and north America. Are Europeans more apt to accept this kind of corporate behavior. I don't mean that as a slight to my european friends, a genuine question.
Actually, quite the opposite, as far as my Swiss view goes. 😉 We even have TV shows where companies with bad communication habits and questionable business practices are publically exposed, sometimes week after week until they change stuff or refund or sue for slander.
But I don’t see this applying to PhaseOne. What I do think, though, is that people mistake this support forum, which is supposed to be a user-to-user affair, with a “proper†user-to-company support channel. One can argue whether PhaseOne employees should be more vocal in this user-to-user forum or not; if you compare their reactions to how Apple deals with issues in their own support forums (only reaction: deleting offensive threads) PhaseOne does a pretty good job.
The proper support channel for PhaseOne products is the Support Case System. By now, I have submitted some 10 support cases mostly relating to MediaPro, some to CaptureOne, and always have received feedback inside 24h, even during public holiday seasons and on week-ends. Mostly the feedback provided was helpful, sometimes it helped PhaseOne to reproduce a bug or two, sometimes all I received was “not possible at the moment, sorryâ€. But this happens.
Cheers,
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[quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
[quote="NNN634350876987273186" wrote:
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Exactly this is the reason for which I didn't buy Capture One. I don't like the lack of responsiveness from them.
Don't ever buy Bibble 5/After Shot Pro, then - you'll think you've turned invisible.
Tried them some time ago, didn't liked them. Anyhow, if C1 had:
- noise control as LR
- sharpness control as LR
- unlimited layers
- reasonable speed for local adjustments (drawing feels like I'm trying to escape quick sand while slowly drowning)
then I would have no need to communicate with them, so from my side they could happily hybernate.0 -
[quote="NNN634350876987273186" wrote:
Anyhow, if C1 had:
- noise control as LR
- sharpness control as LR
I agree completely with you here - I've had my say in the past about the shortcomings of Cap One's NR and sharpening (and specifically, how they work together, which is utterly awful).
I simply don't sharpen in Cap One any more, and apply NR with the lightest touch possible (usually applying only chroma NR), and do the NR/sharpening heavy lifting in Photoshop, where I can use tools that do these jobs properly.0 -
[quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
[quote="NNN634350876987273186" wrote:
Anyhow, if C1 had:
- noise control as LR
- sharpness control as LR
I agree completely with you here - I've had my say in the past about the shortcomings of Cap One's NR and sharpening (and specifically, how they work together, which is utterly awful).
I simply don't sharpen in Cap One any more, and apply NR with the lightest touch possible (usually applying only chroma NR), and do the NR/sharpening heavy lifting in Photoshop, where I can use tools that do these jobs properly.
I tend to do the same on my "good" photos, including all prints. I don't use PS, but I do use PS Elements for my pixel editing. I also use a set of Topaz plugins for my NR and sharpening. But these also work well in LR.
As I continue to use the LR4 beta, I keep thinking/trying on how to work it into my workflow.
I can still see where most of my high ISO shots (eg, >800) will be processed primarily in LR 4.
For other shots, I can see using the features of LR4 I like on a tiff generated from CO.
In addition to the general NR & sharpening, I also like the local white balance adjustment control along with the local NR, as well as the straightforward lens corrections for my Canon and Tamron lenses.
In the end, I am guessing I will use CO for the initial conversion (colors) from raw, followed by LR4 (and/or PSE) for the finishing. I use Media Pro as well, so I need to be sure that fits in well with the LR.
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Well I have LR3 and have just upgraded from express to pro under a special offer of £119 simply because I like the output a little better.
Now here's the kicker LR4 has just been released at £103 full price and £59 upgrade price, now I'm not sure CO6 is £200's worth better than LR4 and I am pretty sure that apart from the already converted, they will not be attracting many new customers except perhaps new Phase One camera buyers.0 -
It seems that Adobe wants to initiate the price war with other RAW convertors. 0 -
RE: Price Wars
As consumers, I am indeed curious of how PhaseONE would respond to the new fee structure imposed by Adobe on Lightroom 4.
Then again, I also remember that since I have been a long time user to PhaseONE CaptureONE PRO (since their 3.7.8 version)...I don't think PhaseONE will drop their premium price on say, the forthcoming version 7. I remember paying around $528 for CaptureONE PRO back in 2008. Back then, CaptureONE PRO 3.7.8 was like the skeletal RAW converter only! It ONLY converts RAW and do some color adjustments. There was NO local adjustments or chromatic aberration removal that is present in today's C1PRO.
For a long time, P1 stuck to their premium pricing on their flagship software that is CaptureONE PRO. Professionals (including myself) ended up paying 500+ on C1PRO 3.7.8 for the skeletal conversions of my RAW files and leaving everything else to Photoshop.
Things changed when Lightroom entered the playing field. I am sensing that perhaps P1 will "eat some humble pie" and decrease their fees so that both professionals and serious amateurs could invest into their flagship RAW converter. I can't complain; competition it great for consumers! Products are improved (relatively speaking). Innovations are invented. It is a great time to be a digital photographer with great tools at our fingertips.0 -
Hi Paul,
True, but even after LR's fourth iteration, their underlying engine when it comes to rendering skin does NOT come within a mile's radius to how C1PRO does its skin-rendering magic!
I agree with you that compared to LR4's feature set, CaptureONE PRO is simply "over-priced." But you know what? It gets the job done! I absolutely LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the skin rendering of my male models and overall achieving my "visual style" within C1PRO and leave the rest of the heavy pixel-level editing to Photoshop's specialty.
"Is CaptureONE PRO over-priced?"
YOU BET!
"Am I willing to upgrade when version 7 comes out?"
YUP!!! [All for its TIFF output quality and superb skin tones rendition].[quote="Paul Silk" wrote:
Well I have LR3 and have just upgraded from express to pro under a special offer of £119 simply because I like the output a little better.
Now here's the kicker LR4 has just been released at £103 full price and £59 upgrade price, now I'm not sure CO6 is £200's worth better than LR4 and I am pretty sure that apart from the already converted, they will not be attracting many new customers except perhaps new Phase One camera buyers.0 -
[quote="ronaldnztan" wrote:
"Am I willing to upgrade when version 7 comes out?"
YUP!!! [All for its TIFF output quality and superb skin tones rendition].
It'll probably be no sooner than until Lightroom 10 comes around, according to the regular PhaseOne haste regarding new (and meaningful) versions.
You will grow into an old, wise and very patient man.0 -
[quote="NNN634350876987273186" wrote:
It'll probably be no sooner than until Lightroom 10 comes around, according to the regular PhaseOne haste regarding new (and meaningful) versions.
You will grow into an old, wise and very patient man.
This will be an interesting year. Adobe has raised the stakes quite a bit. Their price is excellent ( I just upgraded from 3.6) and the quality has greatly improved.
I'm like Ronald - I greatly prefer the skin tones that CO generates. I have also preferred the color conversion in general. However, unlike Ronald, I am not a professional and I shoot a very wide range of subjects. Having played with LR4 beta, and now LR4 for a day, I will tell you that LR has made great strides. I can pull information out of the shadows in landscapes better and faster now with LR4.
It won't be long before they figure out conversion of skin.
Phase One better figure out what their strategy is; and then execute it well.0 -
KUDOS!!! This is excellent and funny. I bought into 3.7.8 PRO when it was near its lifecycle and although I paid a hefty premium fee for the license, I got version 4 LE plus 2 free upgrades (4 PRO and 5 PRO).
I remember reading the forums back in 2008 that users of C1PRO (then version 3.xx) were complaining and making comments of how P1 took so long up release an update. I recalled when 4 came out, a lot of people did not like the new look and interface because they've been accustomed to the fugly 3 interface. I know MAC users have pretty interface even on the 3.XX. PC users had to suffer with the grotesque interface. I just had to "suck it up" and use the software for its functionality versus visual aesthetics.[quote="NNN634350876987273186" wrote:
[quote="ronaldnztan" wrote:
"Am I willing to upgrade when version 7 comes out?"
YUP!!! [All for its TIFF output quality and superb skin tones rendition].
It'll probably be no sooner than until Lightroom 10 comes around, according to the regular PhaseOne haste regarding new (and meaningful) versions.
You will grow into an old, wise and very patient man.0 -
I still refuse to drink the adobe kool-aid. Man, everywhere you go, so many "tutorials" so many books, so many college classes on adobe products. There is even support groups, fan sites.
They make some good software, but dang! I can't stand looking at LR, any version, any more.
I am not a full time professional, but whenever I do get hired, C1 is the goto software. I have tried LR 1,2 and 3, capture NX, raw therapee, and DxO. None of them come close to getting my work done faster and more efficiently than C1 6. Todays cameras have such low noise, that noise reduction isn't really that much of a problem. At least for me. 😉0 -
[quote="EDB" wrote:
It seems that Adobe wants to initiate the price war with other RAW convertors.
And we know, how the war will be end, or how was it with Macromedia (Aldus) Freehand? 🙄 😉0 -
If they don't step up their game, C1 will go away except for a small group of users, it will become a niche product for sure. I have used it since the original version and P1 will take one step forward but two steps back with every version. When they went to v4 they took out keyboard shortcuts, it wasn't until v5 they came back and originally they only brought back some of them. When they went to 6 they introduced memory leaks and made it so unresponsive it is unusable to me.
I have several support cases that have been open since before v6 even came out and they still haven't been addressed. They just seem to be "forgotten" about.
P1 needs to step up their product or people will get sick and tired of the shortcomings of C1 and go to Lightroom. Simple things should be adressed as well as the bugs and performance issues in the new version which I assume is going to be soon. How hard is it to have tools remember their state? I want to sort by date by default but can't do that. If I use the rotate tool in freehand mode why not be in freehand mode when I close and reopen it? Why does it show the # of photos open in some modes not all? When batch renaming why does the counter sometimes go back to 1 but other times it doesn't? These are small things but make it look like the programmers are first year programmers with no clue.
Funny, as I am writing this C1 just blew up with 200 photos in the quese when I accidentally pressed the History button, ironic isn't it?
C1 was great for doing a corecting a lot of images efficiently, They don't seem to understand that people are doing large number of files with their software (at least I am, sometimes doing several thousand images a day), they seem to think people are doing a few images at a time so slowness isn't an issue. Well, it is an issue. If they don't fix the slowness I will be going elsewhere for my RAW converter.0 -
[quote="dan122" wrote:
If they don't step up their game, C1 will go away except for a small group of users, it will become a niche product for sure.
And you're basing that "insight" on what, exactly? Your own personal experience and opinion?
Doesn't work like that, I'm afraid.0 -
@Dan & @Keith
As DSLR users, all we could do is hope and voice our concerns and comply when there is an error or performance issues. I think it is important to always realize that when it comes to priority, P1 is going to give their digital back customers since they paid upwards and often more than 10K USD. If I bought an IQ180, you bet I'd want immediate attention and fix up any performance/lag issues I find in the C1PRO Backs Edition.
Having said that, I'd be long gone over back to LR/ACR camp but because of stability issues of LR 3 and now 4, I stuck with the "less of two evils." Both RAW converters have their strengths and weaknesses. The bottom line will ALWAYS be based on personal preferences.
As a portraitist with men's fashion and beauty into the genre I shoot, ACR/LR's skin rendition seemed handicapped as compared to the near-perfect skin rendition from C1PRO. I am still on the trial of LR4 and I finished the following image all using LR4. ("Ronnie C. Woo in GUCCI")
http://blog.ronaldnztan.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/TAN_20120217_181.jpg
I had to do some fumbling and playing around with sliders until I got the look that was acceptable to me. The new PV2012 is starting to grow on me. The new Clarity tool (when not abused) and used in conjunction with the new sliders, LR make magic with the image(s). I am finding that the PV2012's Highligh and Shadow recovery blow C1PRO's HDR tool out of the waters. I've been using C1PRO since 3.7.8. I know my way around C1PRO.0 -
[quote="ronaldnztan" wrote:
The bottom line will ALWAYS be based on personal preferences.
Exactly, Ronald.
I actually use Capture One and Lightroom, about equally - as you suggest, each has its strengths and weaknesses, and both have earned a place in my workflow.
I'm entirely "converter agnostic" - I've never not had numerous converters at my disposal - because I'm well aware that the perfect converter does not exist and probably never will.
So (because I'm a wildlife photographer and don't shoot in controlled, predictable conditions) I tend to use Capture One with images for which the conditions have been kind - I'm as big a fan of Capture One's colour rendition as anyone - and I use Lr when the light has been difficult, because there's no question that Lr is in another league in its demosaicing, shadow/highlight handling and NR technologies, and I often need to make use of all of these technologies - and like you I've been using Cap One since 3.7.8, so I know how to maximise its capabilities.
If there's one thing I actively dislike about Cap One (well, apart from the interminable proxy building at the start of a session) it's is how fragile it can be because of its dependencies on OS functions. I've been utterly unable to upgrade to 6.3.4 because of an apparent problem with the "windows management instrumentation service" on my machine (meaning that Cap One can't "phone home" to verify my serial number), and I surely don't intend to reinstall my whole operating system just to make Cap One work, so - for the forseeable future - Lightroom 4 it is, because Lr just gets on with the job.0 -
[quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
[quote="ronaldnztan" wrote:
The bottom line will ALWAYS be based on personal preferences.
Exactly, Ronald.
So (because I'm a wildlife photographer and don't shoot in controlled, predictable conditions) I tend to use Capture One with images for which the conditions have been kind - I'm as big a fan of Capture One's colour rendition as anyone - and I use Lr when the light has been difficult, because there's no question that Lr is in another league in its demosaicing, shadow/highlight handling and NR technologies, and I often need to make use of all of these technologies - and like you I've been using Cap One since 3.7.8, so I know how to maximise its capabilities.].
Like both of you, I have used CO since v3.x (I can't recall x), and I have been able to get CO6.3.4 onto my Win 7 machine without a problem. However, CO continues to have occasional issues with memory overflow and focusing. I still prefer its color conversion from my Canons. And I never shoot in a studio with controlled lighting, so I need low light and high iso capabilities, which CO is not so great at.
However, I have been playing a lot with LR 4, and like it a lot. It is superb on recovery in the shadows. I really like what I see when I follow the histogram vs the much simpler change that CO makes with its HD sliders.
I am now trying to figure out a good workflow with Media Pro (which I prefer to LR), CO, and Lightroom. So far I don't have anything worth sharing, as everything I can do seems fairly brute force via a Tiff. MP and LR don't communicate well, and I can't get a Tiff from CO into LR simply. I sort of sense that any CO to LR workflow will only be done for the few photos that I want the absolute best from. But that sort of defeats the purpose, as I could use PS or PSE just as well for the ones or twos.0 -
I own both C1 and LR, both in their latest version. 99% of my processing still goes through C1. The reason for this is basically the deep knowledge I have of C1, I know what things I have to change to get the result I want. The fact that I can very pic and select colors and change them, the more "easier" way for local adjustments, the levels, etc are all just beyond amazing.
What C1 really lacks is proper lens adjustments. It is really sad that such a professional software has so limited lens adjustment tools. I own the Zeiss 21/f2.8 and as much as I love this lens, I need to use Lightroom to process the images, because it has a very visible "mustache" distortion. In LR this is one click and it looks perfect, in C1 there is no way I can do this and when I opened a ticket, C1 said that such lens adjustments are not on their future list of "will come". This is really sad, because this is the only thing I really miss.
Some other things I quite enjoy in LR4 is the included DAM software, which makes working with pictures ranging over several "folders" more easy. The GPS tool is quite useful too, because I do a lot of shooting on the street or certain areas and it is really nice if I can put them into a map. Positive thing is, those changes are copied back to the file (or via sidecar files) and C1 honors those changes.0 -
maybe it is me, maybe it is difference of nikon/canon handling, but as long as Lightroom will be based on that "meh" RAW converter output, it is no way comparable to capture one for me.
sure adobe have much more marketing power but i don't think that p1 needs to be top dog. They are healthy company, and as long as they keep making good products, they will stay so.
I did vote with my wallet, after spending a week with various revisions of lightroom 4, i got another copy of c1.
Competition is good for all of us, and if one needs it a lot, it is adobe. They sure fell lazy with photoshop updates when nobody is threatening them really...0 -
The common theme or comments that I have taken from this thread is that Phase One is simply not listening to the customer base. Maybe they are listening but they are not communicating for sure. I have been a C1 user for a long time and will probably continue to use both C1 and ACR. I don't need all the fluff that Adobe gives users in Lightroom but you have to give Adobe credit, they seem to be listening and responding. Phase One, imo, has always been slow to respond to market demands. Its almost like they don't seem to care about the RAW converter market. When I saw that they had purchased Media Pro from Microsoft that we were going to see the start of an integrated product somewhat like Lightroom. Honestly if Phase One could offer the integrated converter and DAM they would be going a long way towards meeting my requirements but nothing has happened and the silence from HQ is certainly telling me that they have a lackadaisical approach to their customers. I know it takes time to code this stuff but really they have had more than ample to at least leak some hints at what we will see in the future. I am committed to using C1 in the immediate term but if they can't get an integrated product line out soon they will lose me in the long term and they probably don't care, which is really sad. Not for me and not for them but because it will be happening to thousands. 0 -
[quote="Sheldon" wrote:
Honestly if Phase One could offer the integrated converter and DAM they would be going a long way towards meeting my requirements.
Well just for the avoidance of any doubt - and I surely hope that Phase One take this on board - I would absolutely freakin' hate Capture One to become a combined converter/DAM application.
Introduce a new application by all means, but leave Capture One as a converter, not an "all-in-one" solution.Not for me and not for them but because it will be happening to thousands.
Maybe you're overstating the weight of your own personal preference there.
I've seen precious little evidence - here or on any other forum I frequent - that there's much clamour at all for a Phase One combined converter/DAM: and given that it's not that long since Phase One took Expression Media on board, I'd suggest that stand-alone DAM is likely to be the Phase One way for the forseeable future.0 -
[quote="Sheldon" wrote:
I used LR but in reality the only thing that I used was their cataloging portion. I don't have a great interest in the other modules though I will admit to being interested in their maps thing.
I was planning on reading most of the posts here UNTIL I read the above and had to say something!!!
I SOOooo strongly disagree with your above comment.....And your geographic parallel is not even applicable.
IF you don't know how to manage your computer and folder structure, and you ONLY use 3 file formats in any imagery work you do, then LR might work for you. BUT,the fact that C1 recognizes the advantages of keeping a DAM/manager separate from the RAW processor alone speaks volumes about the professionalism in the direction it takes.
I don't know your use of these applications, but once you get out of the "Fine Art, single user, large format inkjet print" domain and actual y need this stuff to work in a studio with clients and derivatives, you will realize REAL fast the importance of Folder structures and knowing where things REALLY are.Understanding how a catalog should work WITH Folders, not make users blind to them. I use C1 for a specific type of work I do. I use LR4 for general work. But I sure as heck don't rely on it for my DAM(not relying on MediaPro YET either). Having said that, I can see why a number of folks would get sold on this idea as a newb....As it does make it easy and almost full proof way of moving files and keywording them(hats off to that)...But pop a CF card in, it can import to the ONE catalog you open. Have more pictures on that belonging to another catalog? Close and open another? Yup. I don't know about you, but having small to medium catalogs works out much faster and easier to manage for LR. But you can see the breakup in workflow if you have to open a few catalogs just to dump images off a card. Then the deal breaker is that you can't even navigate to the folders. Now you may have a way you use it in your work that suites you just fine, but be assured that this is not the majority, nor does it matter for long term flexibility and growth.
When I started to use LR3, I thought it was going to be the solution to my DAM needs. But it IS a deal breaker when it can't BROWSE folders. Drag and drop to a Folder structure and then make a DB. The fact that it supports JPEG, TIF, RAW, and some PSD files AND THAT IS IT! No other formats! No PDF, no PSB, no nothing... This to me says either New user(try making catalogs with it for Tb of existing images), Hobbyist, Amateur, OR, Pro- single user. I don't say that in a matter of the work quality you do.Just the flexibility and limitations of your files.
I'm not sure how memory resources are allocated, but having a DAM/catalog app, AND RAW processing together has got to hurt performance. I will take a separate DAM that sees all my image content and launches the application of choice independently anyday over a Allin one "solution" It likely works faster than the app that is already juggling ALL my catalog AND processing things. Again, not sure about the resource use, but when the OS switches the apps, I would think the app in use will get the mem. Even if I have this "off", my other reasons are enough for me. I think Alexander also put it well regarding this. I think he may needs some C1 pointers 😉 but its true things are a bit easier to understand and get to doing in LR if your relation to C1 isn't as intimate. Keith points also echo.
I think for new comers they don't understand this until they have enough content that they realize they are locked into the one app.
There is NO silver bullet application, period. Image makers have different needs, and terms are redefined very rapidly these days. When you make one job(DAM) rely on another part or type of job(RAW processor), you lock up flexibility. Flexibility is very important to a changing dynamic in image making. Heck I have 2 different RAW converter needs let alone having one app do two entirely different tasks.0 -
I recently tried both LR4 and CP1. Coming from a Linux World I was using other tools like darktable, ufraw and Gimp.
I really wanted to like LR since everybody I know is pretty much using it.
After creating a dedicated vmware with windows 7 (with 8GB orf Ram running on an SSD dirve) I tested both.
LR is definitely slower with my 24mpix RAW files and not by a narrow margin. LR pretty much tells you that you need at least one or two plugins. On One software and Nik.
CP1 is blazing fast.
Saturday I had to process close to 200 pictures from soccer game. It was all done in less than 1hour (mind you this was basic retouch). I created 2 styles one for dark, and for sunny. applied to all the pics. Selected the top 5 pictures and gave them a more advanced processing with more detailed adjustments and cropping.
That is a lot faster than it ever was for me to process the pics and the have just that little something . export to jpeg. Resize, add my tags and upload using digikam on linux0 -
[quote="realistgva" wrote:
LR pretty much tells you that you need at least one or two plugins. On One software and Nik.
Uuuummm...
I've used Lr for a long time, and have never used - or been prompted/encouraged by the software to use - a single plugin.0 -
I've been using lightroom since it was first release, however I decided to swith to co, during lr3, because of its unreliable catalog and lr4 always crashes and I end up create new catalogs and adjust the raw files ago. So last year I purchased c1 6 pro I, quite happy with it, especially I work in a studio which I find the capture pilot very useful and I could control the lights of my profoto pack, however since 4 months, I've been frustrated with phaseone software especially media pro 1.3.- is unusable, just in one hour it crashes 7 to 8 times, and it doesn't sync with c1 properly, so last week.i upgraded my Lightroom 3 to version 4. The tonal range is better than c1, especially with the new sliders, however I still prefer c1 color editing , because it renders color better than Lightroom 4. For now I'll stay with capture one... 0 -
[quote="rave81" wrote:
For now I'll stay with capture one...
Just yesterday you said:I'm abandoning all phaseone softwares and migrating my workflow in Lightroom 4
No offence meant, but don't you think it might be a good idea for you to slow down, take a deep breath, and figure out what you really want and need and what works for you, rather than endlessly flip-flopping from converter to converter and opinion to opinion, and then feeling the need to share your every thought on the subject with people on here who probably aren't really that interested?0 -
[quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
[quote="rave81" wrote:
For now I'll stay with capture one...
Just yesterday you said:I'm abandoning all phaseone softwares and migrating my workflow in Lightroom 4
No offence meant, but don't you think it might be a good idea for you to slow down, take a deep breath, and figure out what you really want and need and what works for you, rather than endlessly flip-flopping from converter to converter and opinion to opinion, and then feeling the need to share your every thought on the subject with people on here who probably aren't really that interested?
That's some comment coming from you Keith 😂
Dave...0 -
Oh, I'm done with the smartarses, whiners and trolls on this bloody forum... 0
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