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What new features are in version 5 standard (not Pro)?

Ian Wilson
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I use Capture 1 version 4.8 (standard, not Pro). I don't think I can afford the cost of Pro (as I don't make any money from my photography) and I am wondering if there is any advantage in upgrading to Version 5 (Standard). I have had a quick look at the features list on the website and I have not spotted anything much that is not catered for in version 4.8. Are there good reasons to upgrade?

Also if I were later to buy a new camera not currently supported by 4.8, would the only way of continuing to use Capture 1 be to go for the upgrade, or will support for new camera models still be added from time to time for version 4.8?

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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Although I have not been able to review all differences between CO4 and CO5 yet and whether they are in the Pro or non-Pro version, I can come up with the following list to start with. New in CO5 (non-Pro or Standard) versus CO4 are:
    = Edit: items below come from a list I received from Phase One re. CO5 Pro and selected the non-Pro items =
    • Local Copy and Apply
    • Viewer Margin and Proof Margin
    • Edit Keyword and IPTC Metadata
    • Windows 7 / OS X Snow Leopard support
    • Improved Importer
    • Improved Image Quality
    • Improved Progress Indication
    The list of additions for the Pro version is more extensive. Regarding new cameras expect only CO5 to be updated, no CO4 updates. You can download CO5 and try it 30 days while CO4 runs at the same computer and compare. If you have an free upgrade to spend, I would not think to long about it.
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  • Jean1
    I too am wondering what difference there is between version 4.8.3 and version 5: I have processed a large number of files with automatic settings (Ctrl+F) on both programmes and I cannot see any difference in the output. V.4.8.3 increases the exposure by about 0.4 on most of my pictures and then adjusts the levels. V.5 leaves the exposure unchanged (actually, it reduces it by 0.01) and adjusts the levels but the TIF output is exactly the same.

    V.5 is a little slower but this doesn't worry me as I am confident that teething problems will be ironed out.

    There must be something I am missing.
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  • Ian Wilson
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    [quote="Paul_E" wrote:
    If you have an free upgrade to spend, I would not think to long about it.

    Thanks for the information. I don't think I have a free upgrade, or I would use it. My first purchase was CO4, and then I think the upgrade to CO4.5 counted as my free upgrade. The website certainly shows I have no free upgrades left.

    Ian
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  • Raymond4
    My apologies I misplaced this reply (upgrade enquiry)

    I have moved from standard v4.8.3 to standard v5 and have found a major annoyance. Now the output recipe is not sticky and changes back to TIFF 8bit and AdobeRGB98 every time the program is exited and restarted. I use jpeg and embed sRGB. This is not just for defaullts but affects all processed files. Not good.

    On the plus side I would say detail preservation is improved and there is better luminance noise removal. Colour noise removal may be marginally better (- look at Lightroom v3 beta for colour noise removal.) Processing is faster and rendering at 100% is faster using XP sp3 single core.

    The import dialogue is improved but some fiddling is involved to prevent multiple capture folders if you don't want them. Like the process settings the import window size is also not sticky nor the thumbnail size in it.

    As far as general features all is much the same - basic but good.

    For some reason Focus mask appears in preferences and can be adjusted, but of course is not a choice in the standard version.

    I prefer version 5 and see it as a definite improvement, Pity regards the processing settings and the import window.

    I would consider v5 pro upgrade but we in the UK are stung for 25% vat EU
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  • Ian Wilson
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    [quote="Raymond4" wrote:
    I would consider v5 pro upgrade but we in the UK are stung for 25% vat EU

    Even though the VAT rate here in the UK is only 15 per cent at the moment.

    Ian
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  • NN100982UL3
    [quote="Ian3" wrote:
    [quote="Raymond4" wrote:
    I would consider v5 pro upgrade but we in the UK are stung for 25% vat EU

    Even though the VAT rate here in the UK is only 15 per cent at the moment.

    Ian


    Absolutely, this flat rate VAT nonsense puts me off buying alot of software on the internet, PhaseOne included.
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  • michel421
    The Focus tool is supposed to be a new feature in the standard version too according to the features list on the website. I find a 'pick focus point' next to the zoom tools, but nothing that suggests the extra viewing pane you see in the screen captures of the pro version as shown on the phase one website. Is this function not yet implemented? Or is it strictly Pro version?
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="michel421" wrote:
    The Focus tool is supposed to be a new feature in the standard version too according to the features list on the website. I find a 'pick focus point' next to the zoom tools, but nothing that suggests the extra viewing pane you see in the screen captures of the pro version as shown on the phase one website. Is this function not yet implemented? Or is it strictly Pro version?

    The feature list I see is related to CO5 Pro (http://www.phaseone.com/en/Software/Cap ... tures.aspx). The Focus Tool is a Pro/DB feature.

    I opened CO5/Win in both standard & Pro mode to compare. The cursor tool with the enlarger symbol (zoom in/out/pick focus point) makes only sense for the Pro/DB version. For the standard version only zoom in/out apply. The pick focus point option should have been suppressed in standard mode; a bug.
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  • michel421
    Thanks Paul,

    You're right regarding that page, however here http://www.phaseone.com/en/Software/Cap ... rison.aspx the focus tool is mentioned as standard. Maybe the idea is to implement the focus window, but not the masking function? It would be a nice feature without that too.

    Kind regards, Michel
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="michel421" wrote:
    Thanks Paul,

    You're right regarding that page, however here http://www.phaseone.com/en/Software/Cap ... rison.aspx the focus tool is mentioned as standard. Maybe the idea is to implement the focus window, but not the masking function? It would be a nice feature without that too.

    Kind regards, Michel

    You are correct about the feature list. I will contact Phase One about it. Thanks.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    [quote="michel421" wrote:
    Thanks Paul,

    You're right regarding that page, however here http://www.phaseone.com/en/Software/Cap ... rison.aspx the focus tool is mentioned as standard. Maybe the idea is to implement the focus window, but not the masking function? It would be a nice feature without that too.

    Kind regards, Michel



    In V5 there is both a Focus window feature (under the details tab) and a focus mask tool that is switched on/off from the toolbar. I belive that is what you're referring to....
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="John4" wrote:
    [quote="michel421" wrote:
    Thanks Paul,

    You're right regarding that page, however here http://www.phaseone.com/en/Software/Cap ... rison.aspx the focus tool is mentioned as standard. Maybe the idea is to implement the focus window, but not the masking function? It would be a nice feature without that too.

    Kind regards, Michel



    In V5 there is both a Focus window feature (under the details tab) and a focus mask tool that is switched on/off from the toolbar. I belive that is what you're referring to....

    John,
    We are discussing the Focus window feature only and whether this is a Pro-only feature or CO5 generic feature.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Update: the Focus tool is available in the CO5 (non-Pro) for Mac. I filed a bug report re. CO5/Win.
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  • michel421
    Thanks Paul
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  • michel421
    Version 5.01 is supposed to bring the focus tool in the standard version. I still can't get it to work however. Has someone else succeeded?

    kind regards, Michel

    Edit:
    Deactivating and reactivating resolved this. The focustool is available now (win7 64bit).
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  • bigfatron
    [quote="michel421" wrote:
    Version 5.01 is supposed to bring the focus tool in the standard version. I still can't get it to work however. Has someone else succeeded?

    kind regards, Michel

    Edit:
    Deactivating and reactivating resolved this. The focustool is available now (win7 64bit).


    Just tried similar and still don't seem to have this as an option (Win7 32bit & C1 Standard 5.01). Should it just appear on the Details tab?
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  • Juergen R.
    [quote="bigfatron" wrote:
    Just tried similar and still don't seem to have this as an option (Win7 32bit & C1 Standard 5.01). Should it just appear on the Details tab?

    My experience with the deactivation was positive. The focus tool is available as a part of details tab.

    Did you restart CO after Re-activation?
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Yes, it should. Maybe trashing the preference settings helps (in user.config, see here in article below: )
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  • Terry M
    Other than "staying current" and stuff, I can't see much reason to upgrade for Windows users. Many have said they can't see any improvement in RAW to JPG quality. Multi-threaded support appears improved in 5 (from 4), but crashes are more frequent.

    For $99 US (only $30 off the upgrade price), a standard upgrade is really pricey. Mac users appear to have the bounty of goodness from this update, not Windows users. Maybe I'm dense, but I still don't see any direct support for previewing an image on one monitor while using my other monitor for adjustments and whatnot. To me, this is a critical feature for any RAW developers these days (and one big check on Lightroom's side).

    Also, as usual, I had problems with my "activation" and "upgrade" key. The anti-piracy features of this software give more grief to legit customers than to the would be thief.

    Terry
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  • bigfatron
    [quote="Paul_E" wrote:
    Yes, it should. Maybe trashing the preference settings helps (in user.config, see here in article below: )


    Thanks, I will try doing this tonight.
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  • bigfatron
    [quote="Terry12" wrote:
    Other than "staying current" and stuff, I can't see much reason to upgrade for Windows users. Many have said they can't see any improvement in RAW to JPG quality. Multi-threaded support appears improved in 5 (from 4), but crashes are more frequent.

    For $99 US (only $30 off the upgrade price), a standard upgrade is really pricey. Mac users appear to have the bounty of goodness from this update, not Windows users. Maybe I'm dense, but I still don't see any direct support for previewing an image on one monitor while using my other monitor for adjustments and whatnot. To me, this is a critical feature for any RAW developers these days (and one big check on Lightroom's side).


    If I wasn't changing camera body to a model unsupported in v4 i'd have probably not bothered upgrading straight away either.

    Also, as usual, I had problems with my "activation" and "upgrade" key. The anti-piracy features of this software give more grief to legit customers than to the would be thief.Terry


    There was a lag of about ten minutes between purchasing the upgrade and the validation server accepting the new code for me. Is this the problem you had too?
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  • Terry M
    [quote="bigfatron" wrote:

    [quote="Terry12" wrote:
    Also, as usual, I had problems with my "activation" and "upgrade" key. The anti-piracy features of this software give more grief to legit customers than to the would be thief.Terry

    There was a lag of about ten minutes between purchasing the upgrade and the validation server accepting the new code for me. Is this the problem you had too?


    To me, the problem appeared to be "administrative mode" in Vista. No where in the "read me" was there any indication that the copy protection/DRM for C1V5 needed administrative mode enabled during the installation. However, at the end of the install, activation failed, and claimed that all of the 8 or so "tests" were ok ... gave me information for support... and then crapped out. (Funny thing - all of the activation failure tests had a help link to blank knowledge base articles -- shhh! It's a secret.)

    💡 Complicated activation/DRM does NOTHING to prevent piracy and causes more harm to legit consumers.

    Running the install in administrative mode fixed the issue.

    Terry
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Praise for Terry since he apparently is in the habit of not working with administrative privileges by default (one of my digital crusades, please ignore 😉). But installation and activation of virtually ANY program needs admin privileges. That is why use do not use these high level access rights when you use the system in day-to-day operations (only when you install).

    Summarizing: it's not a bug, it's a feature!
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