Wacom vs. Huion tablets, anyone?
I'm thinking of getting a tablet for my iMac to use with Capture One. Wacom products are known to work very well and Capture One can leverage its pen pressure, hot-keys, radial menu, etc. How well does Capture One work with competing tablets like the Huion? The competition is significantly cheaper and many people give those tablets positive reviews.
Feedback, anyone?
Feedback, anyone?
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First, CO does not really take advantage of a Tablet. I never found the pen pressure to work very well in CO, and tilt does nothing at all. The reset are just short-cut assignments. So CO just just uses it as a very accurate mouse.
So, If you can assign short-cuts to features on the table you should be good.
Robert0 -
That's a little disappointing. I was hoping that C1 could do more with a tablet than just use it as an accurate mouse. That reduces the value of being Wacom-centric. A competitor brand could be just as good then. 0 -
I am not sure what you mean by the pressure sensitivity not working very well ? Maybe you can elaborate further in a support-case, so we have the chance of improving. 0 -
Is Pen Pressure detection a Wacom-only feature in Capture One? 0 -
[quote="Christian Gruner" wrote:
I am not sure what you mean by the pressure sensitivity not working very well ? Maybe you can elaborate further in a support-case, so we have the chance of improving.
serous ? the lack of full wacom support in C1 has been brought up here a couple of times already.0 -
What features are not supported? I do not know because I do not have one. 😊 Opacity can be changed with pen pressure. It sounds like hot-keys are supported. How about tilt? I thought there was some feature in the Wacom tablet where I can change my brush size by tilting the pen. Sort of like tilting a pencil and using the flat side for a wide stroke. 0 -
[quote="Horseoncowboy " wrote:
[quote="Christian Gruner" wrote:
I am not sure what you mean by the pressure sensitivity not working very well ? Maybe you can elaborate further in a support-case, so we have the chance of improving.
serous ? the lack of full wacom support in C1 has been brought up here a couple of times already.
I believe he is serious, bringing it up in the forum doesn't a support case make.
Phase One has one official channel to deal with these things, whether we like that or not. So, if it's important to you (it is for me, i haven't a tablet yet, but i'm contemplating one), please do raise the support case and describe the behaviour you see.
It'll not only help you, but "us" as well 😄 😄0 -
[quote="HCS" wrote:
[quote="Horseoncowboy " wrote:
[quote="Christian Gruner" wrote:
I am not sure what you mean by the pressure sensitivity not working very well ? Maybe you can elaborate further in a support-case, so we have the chance of improving.
serous ? the lack of full wacom support in C1 has been brought up here a couple of times already.
I believe he is serious, bringing it up in the forum doesn't a support case make.
Phase One has one official channel to deal with these things, whether we like that or not. So, if it's important to you (it is for me, i haven't a tablet yet, but i'm contemplating one), please do raise the support case and describe the behaviour you see.
It'll not only help you, but "us" as well 😄 😄
.....so you suggest the developers working for phase are not smart enough to read and understand what options wacom offers in his SDK ?0 -
[quote="Horseoncowboy " wrote:
[quote="Christian Gruner" wrote:
I am not sure what you mean by the pressure sensitivity not working very well ? Maybe you can elaborate further in a support-case, so we have the chance of improving.
serous ? the lack of full wacom support in C1 has been brought up here a couple of times already.
Please notice that I specifically mentioned pressure-sensitivity.
I am not aware of current problems with pressure-sensitivity, no. If you have any, please contact our Support right away, so we can take a look.
We do not currently support tip-tilting, as demand for it has been almost non-existent.
However, using Wacoms ultility, you can configure your keyboard-shortcuts for use in CO.0 -
No, pressure sensitivity works I guess, I just I never need to use it that way. Pen pressure is always size, no way to switch to opacity or hardness. Either way, opacity, hardness or size as pen pressure, usually easier to set them fixed, do the mask then erase down to what you need. To me trying to draw a mask with any kind of pressure sensitivity turn on, I cannot do. Maybe others can keep the pressure constant enough to hold a size, I am not able to do that, and as the cursor on screen does not change to show pressure, until you are drawing, you have no idea of the size.
On, what does not work with a table, last I checked the eraser end of the Pen did not work as expected. (Now it has been a while sense I have tried.) Ok, just checked (latest version 8.3.2), created a mask layer, hit 'b' for the brush, Pen end shows a '+' in the center of the circle, press and it draws a 'red mask', flip to the other end. Get a circle with a '-', but instead of erasing, it draws a mask, so even though it shows a '-' in the circle it still draws a mask. (Cannot believe this is not fixed.)
Now, like I said, to me and because of what CO can actually do, (Basically only drawing the mask), makes the tablet just a very accurate mouse. I am not looking at doing a support case, because, until they support oval/custom brushes, tilt for changing anything just does not make sense. I believe in the past at least in the forums, requests have gone out for allowing pressure to control the opacity, never seen anything come of it. And I don't care enough to put in a support case.
I take CO as what it is a very good raw converter. Nothing more nothing less. I do not try to make CO into a photoshop replacement, and in some respects I wish CO would stop trying to do it. So except for the option on what pressure is assigned to, CO use of a table is ok.
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Robert,
Thank you for your detailed reply to this thread. I appreciated reading your use case. It never dawned on me to think how steady or not steady my hand would need to be in order to use the pen pressure feature of Capture One. I always thought that the pen pressure was mapped to Opacity - not size. If pen pressure is mapped to size then my mask brush size will probably oscillate as I swing my hand around the tablet surface when drawing something like an arc. With that mind, I would agree with you that the best method is to disable the pen pressure selection and fix the size and opacity. Brush in what you need, erase what you don't need. Manipulate the size and opacity with the hot-keys.
Ideally, to be like a real pencil, I would imagine the pen pressure to be opacity and the tilt angle to be brush size. Opacity can be seen live as the visible mask is drawn. Size could be indicated by a live updated brush icon that changes size.
With all that said, I don't see a lot of value in the high priced Wacom tablets if C1 can't use all the digital information. A clone could do the job just as well for a fraction of the price.0 -
We mimic the default behavior of PS, when is comes to pressure-sensitivity.
If you want to see more Wacom support in CO, please tell our Support Team in a support-case. This way feature-requests can be tracked.0 -
[quote="Christian Gruner" wrote:
We mimic the default behavior of PS, when is comes to pressure-sensitivity.
If you want to see more Wacom support in CO, please tell our Support Team in a support-case. This way feature-requests can be tracked.
well this is not really the full truth because as you sure know ps has a dedicated button in a very prominent position to override this behavior ! to be honest i think when p1 started to offers wacon support they decided not to waste to much time on it and that is enough to just offer some basic functionality to create a a marketing argument.0 -
[quote="Horseoncowboy" wrote:
well this is not really the full truth because as you sure know ps has a dedicated button in a very prominent position to override this behavior
Hence the term "default behavior".
As I said, create a support-case with your request. That way we have a way of tracking the number of requests.0 -
Hi Christian,
I am at a complete disadvantage here. Not only do I not have a Wacom tablet but I also do not have Photoshop! 🤭 So, I do not understand what "default" behavior" means. Could you, or someone here, give me a brief explanation of what this means? I found an article on Wacom's site explaining pen pressure behavior in Photoshop :
http://community.wacom.com/en/interests ... nsitivity/
According to this article, I can vary opacity and brush size together with pen pressure. A harder press of the pen can increase both opacity and brush size. I can also have pen pressure mapped to one or the other. Default behavior also includes pen tilt. I can vary the brush size to some degree with pen tilt.
Is this the "default behavior"?0 -
Default behavior is that only size varies with pressure. 0 -
Hi Christian,
Thanks for clarifying this. 😊
Does the brush pointer on the screen change dynamically so that users know the size of the brush or should we draw with the mask on to see this?
Can you share any plans for expanding pen pressure related functionality with the Wacom and maybe with other pen pressure devices?0 -
Nope you get the size set by the slider, only when you brush do you see the true brush size, as the mask is drawn.
Robert0 -
[quote="6BQ5" wrote:
Hi Christian,
Thanks for clarifying this. 😊
Does the brush pointer on the screen change dynamically so that users know the size of the brush or should we draw with the mask on to see this?
Can you share any plans for expanding pen pressure related functionality with the Wacom and maybe with other pen pressure devices?
You have to put the pen to the plate in order for the pressure to register, so you will see the size of the brush when drawing.
I cannot comment on future developments.0 -
[quote="Christian Gruner" wrote:
[quote="Horseoncowboy" wrote:
well this is not really the full truth because as you sure know ps has a dedicated button in a very prominent position to override this behavior
Hence the term "default behavior".
As I said, create a support-case with your request. That way we have a way of tracking the number of requests.
you have a great software but you should give up this silly "file a feature request game" a company who is really supportive and listening to their customers should have more than one channel. you are aware of the problem so why not just simply forward it instead of playing this deaf guy thing over and over again. those pros who need this feature will never be a counting number against you amateur user base anyway....0 -
[quote="Horseoncowboy " wrote:
.... those pros who need this feature will never be a counting number against you amateur user base anyway....
Possibly true.
But the chances are that a Pro who really needs a feature will respond and include their own ideas and sound convincing.
Anyone not in NEED of a feature probably will not bother to make the effort to create a Support Case but may well add a "me too" vote to a public forum suggestion without thinking it through. (Sometimes, as we have seen recently, the public suggestions are recognised and adopted anyway).
That way you may end up with a lot of developments that nobody needs or uses.
By managing the idea through a group of support cases it is possible to obtain specific suggestion and check the level of understanding for what is required in the development. All in a properly recorded and managed process.
Even then, in my experience, it is still possible to end up with features and functions that are not used much. Perhaps not used by anyone ....
But at least the management have had some options to understand the real requirements and direct a sufficient level of resources to usable features rather than stuff that introduced bloat to the code and nothing else.
It also means the voice of the Pros is not lost in the noise created by the hobbyists.
IMO.
Grant0 -
Here's the catch-22 trap for me ...
I don't own a Wacom tablet but I would love to read about extra pen pressure being added to C1. However, to be official, I have to buy a Wacom tablet, use it, and then file a case requesting the feature. My request would have to compete against other cases for serious bug fixes, performance enhancements, and feature requests from professional photographers.
Now, I have to say that I feel I got real lucky with my Pentax Q7 request. It was a serious bug in my mind but I'm not a pro and the Q7 is hardly a pro-level camera. Still, it's an awesome feeling to see a request fulfilled, if even quietly, and it turned me into a passionate C1 advocate. Now I tag all of my photographs with "Capture One" on Flickr. 😉0 -
[quote="Horseoncowboy " wrote:
[quote="Christian Gruner" wrote:
[quote="Horseoncowboy" wrote:
well this is not really the full truth because as you sure know ps has a dedicated button in a very prominent position to override this behavior
Hence the term "default behavior".
As I said, create a support-case with your request. That way we have a way of tracking the number of requests.
you have a great software but you should give up this silly "file a feature request game" a company who is really supportive and listening to their customers should have more than one channel. you are aware of the problem so why not just simply forward it instead of playing this deaf guy thing over and over again. those pros who need this feature will never be a counting number against you amateur user base anyway....
Of course I (and we) use the input from the forums. That is one of the primary reasons I am active here (out of free will, interest and curiousity). But you have to realise that far from everyone at Phase One are active on these forums, as the primary intent is User to User.
Capture One will always be developed primarily with the demanding working pro photographer in mind, but we simply cannot implement everything overnight. This is where the feature requests comes in. It gives us a complete track to the photographer requesting this feature with full name and contact details. Requests are grouped together and votes counted. The counts are used (among other factors, of course) when looking into what to do next.0 -
I wonder if there is someone who can answer this question for me. But first the facts.
I have a number of graphics apps Including Capture One on both Windows 7 and Mac El Capitan.
I have just bought a Huion Tablet.
This tablet works fine on everything I can throw at it except Capture One on the Mac (it works fine on Windows).
So my question!
Who should I be speaking to about a fix. Huion or Phase One?
Thanks for your help.
Robert B0 -
OK so maybe my thanks were a little premature.
Just for the record I have the Huion 1060Plus
It's a nicely built piece of hardware but the driver/software no not work well with C1.
The main problem is the sliders (the ones on the left for exposure, saturation etc). The pointer does not move them properly. It is pretty much impossible to use them.
Huion have acknowledged the problem and say that a driver update might solve the problem in the future but they make no promises.
My suggestion is buy a Wacom. The extra money it costs will be compensated for by not wasting hours trying to get it to work or wasting your time with emails to Huion and their supplier.
Hope this helps.
PS If anyone gets it to work please let me know.0 -
The idea that Wacom has no competition is pretty outdated now. It's true that Wacom is often shinier and more polished, but in the last 12 months especially, competitors have really stepped up to the plate on a basic, decent drawing screen that will suit a lot of artists.
I have the XP-Pen Deco 03 A4+ Graphics Art Tablet , and I like it a lot! It’s a little less expensive than the entry level Wacom tablets but has more features, and works well with capture one. The only thing I’ve noticed is when it’s connecting wirelessly there’s a bit of a lag but when it’s wired it’s great.
I love my XP-Pen Deco 03 . I can absolutely recommend it with photoshop / Capture One .
I should also note, the pressure sensitivity works fine for me and I've had my tablet for a year and a half.
https://www.xp-pen.com/product/89.html0
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