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How to convince a LR user to switch to C1

ettore.causa
I will be really clear..
In my opinion C1 offers the best image quality of any other software out there
I am have been using LR since v1 which i think is great but after trying C1 7,I was amazed what a great 3D look and amazing colors rendering you get out of the box!

I really want to switch to your software but there is a basic tool which doesn't allow me to do it
I feel really frustrated that there is not clone tool and that the heal tool (you call it Spot) is so limited...
some how it effects enormously the workflow and I find strange that despite both LR and Aperture have got those tools since several generation, C1 seems to be behind

Is Phase One considering adding those editing tools in to a dot version of C1 7?

Believe me when i say that I have met lots of photographers that feel exactly the same way..... they don't want to export to PS just to fix little things like a hall in the backdrop, or the stand leg or skin imperfection and so on

Thanks for reading this

All the best

Ettore
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  • MidWestTech
    In the spot tool there is a option for dust in the drop down menu... You could try using this to see if you get any more satisfactory of a result. I can tell you that dust works better than spot for some things and the opposite is also sometimes true depending on what you are trying to correct.
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  • Vic Moss
    Ettore-

    You said yourself you're amazed at what you're getting from C1. Why not just take LR out of the equation? Use C1 to process, and then Photoshop to edit. Unless I'm mistaken, that's the work flow the majority of C1 shooters use. Process the image with the best processing engine (C1), then do you post with the best post production engine (PS). Give your clients the best shots that way.
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  • ettore.causa
    Vic 1
    We are in 2013, things are different now
    ....there was a time as you said when C1 was used only to convert the RAW files but today C1 is a different beast, it compete against LR and Aperture! ....it had Catalogs, local adjustments tool and printing capability
    As i was trying CO 7 i asked myself why do i have to export 25 images from yesterday shooting in to PS just to touch up a beauty mark on the the model face?? with LR or Aperture takes 2 clicks to fix it!

    Best
    Ettore
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  • Permanently deleted user
    I fully agree
    We need a better healing circle with an opacity slider and the option to select the healing source and most important the capacity to do some basic cloning

    You cant imagine how frustrating i felt couple of weeks ago when while editing the shooting I discovered that the model had
    a pair of tights which were slightly broken...
    I tried using both the dust and spot tool but i got disappointing results.
    ....finally I had to export more than 40 files in to Photoshop to patch the hall 😡
    just for fan i edited a few images with LR 4 and its was so easy and so fast to fix the problem
    I sincerely hope the team of Phase One will seriously consider to do some thing about very soon
    Its the only major editing tool missing in this amazing state of art software


    Ed
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  • David Nusbaum
    I read this thread yesterday and then the question was echoing through my head most of the evening. I have been working through my own internal debate between CO7 and LR4 and it's not easy. The fact is, LR is easier in many ways. The "develop" tools are far more robust and the catalog is usable. On top of that, LR is so broadly accepted that doing anything else feels like swimming up stream. But, as you have discovered, once you have seen your RAW files processed by CO7 the LR results seem dull by comparison. The CO7 processed files simply have more dimension and depth. Plus, put yourself if a difficult situation and CO7 will pull your through where LR will struggle. Two examples I can think of recently were a beautiful shiny red dress and a boudoir image shot in a window box through a sheer. CO7 nailed the red silk and produced no moire with the sheer. LR failed in both cases.

    So I guess the question is which is more important, a good end-to-end solution with good raw processing, good DAM and good local adjustment tools. Or the best RAW conversion that has to export to TIF so you can use the best local adjustment tool (PS). Arguments can be made both ways.
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  • rave81
    There is a spot tool in Co 7 Pro that can be use as a healing or cloning tools, However those tools I barely use it, since I prefer to use Photoshop for those kind of editing.

    I use Capture one & pro for global adjustment and local color adjustment. This RAW conversion software gives better RAW conversion in terms of color, image quality, noise reduction and sharpening compared to other RAW conversion software such as ACR/Bridge.

    It will take time to get used to using Capture One 7 Pro, you won't regret it, but sometimes there are major bugs occurred which is annoying, however version 7.1.1 seems to be stable enough to use as long as you use the session system rather than the catalog system
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  • ettore.causa
    [quote="rave81" wrote:
    There is a spot tool in Co 7 Pro that can be use as a healing or cloning tools, However those tools I barely use it, since I prefer to use Photoshop for those kind of editing.

    I use Capture one & pro for global adjustment and local color adjustment. This RAW conversion software gives better RAW conversion in terms of color, image quality, noise reduction and sharpening compared to other RAW conversion software such as ACR/Bridge.

    It will take time to get used to using Capture One 7 Pro, you won't regret it, but sometimes there are major bugs occurred which is annoying, however version 7.1.1 seems to be stable enough to use as long as you use the session system rather than the catalog system


    I don't expect a Healing & Clone tool as the one i in PS!!
    But right now if you compare the current spot and dust tool which you find in C1 to the one implemented in LR and Aperture since several years,, you will noticed that those are pretty useless ☹️
    With the introduction of CO 6 and later 7 phase one have changed the aim of the software
    not just a great raw converter but a more complete photography pro tool!
    I am extremely happy about Local Adjustments,and i don't have problem saying that mostly what i did in LR and Aperture i can now do it in CO7,...yes obviously it still needs some work but its very closed to the competition..
    Healing and cloning is where C1 is far behind the competition and I truly hope that it will soon catch up!!

    Thanks to all
    Ettore
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  • PhaseoneUser55657
    My problem is with the what seems like arbitrary limits.

    Why not have almost everything work on a layer. I.E. curves, levels, color adjust, HDR and other things I cannot remember right at the moment. (Ok white balance, I can kinda say is OK, but LR does allow it.)

    Why a limit of 10 layers, to me a very arbitrary limit.

    I really like CO7, and as of 7.1.1 has got over most, but not all of the crashes. I do think that CO7 is to heavy on resources, I tried to edit a D800 file in CO7, it was totally impossible. I have a 2010 iMac 27" with 16Gig of memory. Now I know my graphics card is not up to CO7 stuff. But LR, PS6 and Aperture flew with the files. I mean take PS and zoom to 100% and you can just fling the image around the screen, no delay no nothing, even with a bunch of layers. LR and Aperture same thing. CO7 could not use the program at all, do a zoom and wait and wait and wait. Try to draw a mask, and wait and wait until the mask shows up, then try to move, and wait and wait and wait.

    I would like to try to convince my LR friends to try CO7, but I would like to keep them as friends.

    Robert
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  • David Nusbaum
    I'm having the opposite problem with performance at the moment. Moving from image to image in LR is relatively slow, with a little "loading..." message popping up between images. CO7, even with the session on a slow external drive, moves quickly between images. Of course PS is faster, but I'm sure that product is optimized for working with a single image vs a library and the current image. Working in layers hasn't been an issue outside of a slide delay while the mask appears.

    Powerbook Pro, 2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 8 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce 9400M GT 512 MB

    I'm not suggesting CO7 isn't slow on your machine, it just seems that both LR and CO7 are showing a lot of variability in performance and it's not clear what the key factors are in improving performance.

    LR is definitely the easy choice, but I cannot get by how much better the CO7 conversion is for my cameras, Canon 5DMKII and Fuji X-Pro1.
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