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Strange colors for raw files

NN636065488578947945UL
Hi,

Camera: RS100M3
Capture One Express 10

I shot some pictures with jpg and raw anabled. Both look very different in Capture One Express 10. Colors are good for the jpg (that comes from the sony cam directly) but not for the raw file. Sky is not blue but turquoise etc.. When I try Sonys Image Data Converter the raw looks exactly like the jpg file from the cam. The cam uses sRGB and so does IDC. But even when I change the ICC Profile in Capture One Express to sRGB the image looks different.

What can I do about it? In fact the exported images from raw (using sRGB as profile) using Capture One Express are looking strange (colors) and everyone would prefer the jpgs instead. So am I missing something? Right now I can´t use C1 for export.

Thanks for help.

Ben
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  • grasjeroen
    I'd say you should file a problem report with Phase One's service.
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  • SFA
    [quote="NN636065488578947945UL" wrote:
    Hi,

    Camera: RS100M3
    Capture One Express 10

    I shot some pictures with jpg and raw anabled. Both look very different in Capture One Express 10. Colors are good for the jpg (that comes from the sony cam directly) but not for the raw file. Sky is not blue but turquoise etc.. When I try Sonys Image Data Converter the raw looks exactly like the jpg file from the cam. The cam uses sRGB and so does IDC. But even when I change the ICC Profile in Capture One Express to sRGB the image looks different.

    What can I do about it? In fact the exported images from raw (using sRGB as profile) using Capture One Express are looking strange (colors) and everyone would prefer the jpgs instead. So am I missing something? Right now I can´t use C1 for export.

    Thanks for help.

    Ben


    Ben,

    The jpg will be using the RAW data with the Sony interpretation and whatever in camera adjustments, styles and so on are set for the camera.

    I would guess that IDC will also use the exact same adjustments as a starting point but then allows you to make changes?

    Working with RAW files, should you wish to do so, often gives you a different starting point for many - perhaps all - of the variables available. So for example the RAW file as seen before any re-interpretation will look just like a (small) jpg from the camera because that is exactly what it is - a small jpg stored in the RAW file. But after that it gets its own interpretations without any of the in camera adjustments.

    The idea is that you may well be able to come up with a different result to the camera's result - one that you prefer. This is most likely with things like White Balance - something that is more or less "burned in" to a jpg but completely at your mercy when working with a RAW file.

    So really there is no reason to expect the results to be the same. Indeed one might suggest that if everyone likes the jpgs - always - then maybe just take those as they are (a few crops maybe?) and love them until such time as you find one that is not loveable. Working to improve something is much more satisfying (and worthwhile) than attempting to to change it to be the same as something it took you no time to produce since it was out of the camera.

    But that is a philosophical point and has little to do with the specifics of your question.

    Meanwhile it would be good to be able to see the examples you are talking about and also to understand the settings you have used and intend to use for your output.

    HTH.


    Grant
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Hi,

    possibly not much of help actually. But I'm shooting four different Sony cams (A99, RX100, RX10 and RX10M3), usually 100% RAW, and each has its own set of WB/Tint adjustments in C1Pro to get the "right look" for certain lighting situations.

    This may sound odd based on the understanding of the temperature scale in Kelvin: shouldn't a 5,500K reading of a cam's WB metering for a RAW shot produce the same look in every RAW conversion software (IDC; C1; LR; or else)? And while this may be true for the pair Sony Cam - IDC the experience shows that it's not the case with other RAW conversion SW.

    Yes, though, once identified a pleasing set of WB/Tint for a certain cam and a certain lighting condition, those values can be used via copy/paste to further shots taken under similar lighting conditions. Just, as said, those values are not necessarily cross-camera-compatible. Taking as an example my RX100M1 which needs for totally unknown reasons a WB adjustment of around 3,400K for "sunny" when one might expect a value of around 5,500K. Actually my most recent aquisition, the RX10M3 is giving me a bit of headache to get the Tint value right because the AWB value carried over from the cam on file import would give the images a distinct greenish cast.
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