GPU, MacBook Pro, and Capture One 10.1
Hi,
Now that Capture One has robust support for my 24mp Fujis, I'm moving in completely. I have a late 2016 MacBook Pro 13" with Touchbar. I would like to add a GPU at my desk and see a couple options:
1) External Thunderbolt GPU chassis, either the Mantiz Venus or Akitio Node. Through the eqpu.io site I'm pretty confident I can get a card working well.
2) Hackintosh build. Also, I think in general I can get this running.
Question 1: I'm considering a Nvidia 980 or 1060, or AMD RX480 or 580. Does anyone have any experience with these cards, on a Mac, in Capture One 10? Do they work well with OpenCL or are they incompatible (causing, as I've read, me to 'disable hardware acceleration')?
Question 2: Assuming the external GPU or Hackintosh build works generally for my Mac needs, does Capture One have any particular incompatibilities making it a non-starter?
Basically, when everything else is working with this non-traditional Mac setup, will Capture One work well as well? And which graphics cards have been shown to work well? (The support site only lists a handful for COP9 and more for COP8/7...don't know how up to date it is).
Thanks for any experiences or insight.
Now that Capture One has robust support for my 24mp Fujis, I'm moving in completely. I have a late 2016 MacBook Pro 13" with Touchbar. I would like to add a GPU at my desk and see a couple options:
1) External Thunderbolt GPU chassis, either the Mantiz Venus or Akitio Node. Through the eqpu.io site I'm pretty confident I can get a card working well.
2) Hackintosh build. Also, I think in general I can get this running.
Question 1: I'm considering a Nvidia 980 or 1060, or AMD RX480 or 580. Does anyone have any experience with these cards, on a Mac, in Capture One 10? Do they work well with OpenCL or are they incompatible (causing, as I've read, me to 'disable hardware acceleration')?
Question 2: Assuming the external GPU or Hackintosh build works generally for my Mac needs, does Capture One have any particular incompatibilities making it a non-starter?
Basically, when everything else is working with this non-traditional Mac setup, will Capture One work well as well? And which graphics cards have been shown to work well? (The support site only lists a handful for COP9 and more for COP8/7...don't know how up to date it is).
Thanks for any experiences or insight.
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eGPUs works very well and also in C1.
There are some steps to take to enable everything as eGPUs are not yet certified for the macOS.
Anyway, as nvidia have released Mac beta drivers for the Pascal architecture 10-series card there's not really any reason to join the red team. Even though Nvidia might be a little bit higer priced they deliver far better performance overall and especially performance per watt.
The 1060 is the sweet spot for many. Great performance, small form factor and low power consumption.
The 970 and 980 are great cards as well but with the 10-series working I would opt for the newer one. Unless you laready have one.
I've tested both a 970 and is currently running a 1070 with C1 in an eGPU.
Head over to https://egpu.io and join the forums and a breave new world.0 -
I should note that, officially per the release notes, operation under virtualization software and the like (e.g. Parallels, Hackintosh etc) may cause instability. We do not recommend you use these OS configurations, especially for mission-critical capture stations. 0 -
Thanks, a good note on hackintosh, etc. Not really my preferable method, so I'm glad to hear some success with eGPUs. I threw that out there mostly to get feedback on a variety of video cards used with both MacOS and Capture One.
Thanks for all the info!0 -
Does the E-Gpu boost the performance of Capture One?
I still have a "late 2013 MacBook Pro", though it is the Top End Version and am looking to improve its performance, esp. for Capture One.0 -
[quote="NN249438UL" wrote:
Does the E-Gpu boost the performance of Capture One?
I still have a "late 2013 MacBook Pro", though it is the Top End Version and am looking to improve its performance, esp. for Capture One.
What is the config of your MBP 2013 ? I have also an MBP late 2013 with an Nvidia GPU (NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M 2048 Mo + Intel Iris Pro 1536 Mo), and hardware acceleration seems to work quite well.0 -
Same config.. it is running quite well, though the Fans are spinning quite a bit and i was looking to improve the performance and take some load off the MacBook. 0 -
Yes, an eGPU will absolutely improve the performance of Capture One. By a significant amount. I'm running the latest MBP, maxed spec and it DRAMATICALLY improved performance, especially crunching TIFF's.
You will have limitations with the 13" laptop, however;
https://egpu.io/setup-guide-external-graphics-card-mac/0 -
Which GPU are you using?
My 15" MacBook only has Thunderbolt 2, though some tests on Barefeats showed even there significant gains.
Sounds great so far.. have to look into that for sure!0 -
[quote="NN249438UL" wrote:
Which GPU are you using?
My 15" MacBook only has Thunderbolt 2, though some tests on Barefeats showed even there significant gains.
Sounds great so far.. have to look into that for sure!
If you're asking me -- Zotac 980Ti. I'm writing up a blog post about it.0 -
Yeah.. i asked because i read the newer 10XX Pascal Cards aren't as fast in OpenCL.. but i have to look up some more tests i guess 😊 0 -
[quote="NN249438UL" wrote:
Yeah.. i asked because i read the newer 10XX Pascal Cards aren't as fast in OpenCL.. but i have to look up some more tests i guess 😊
The pascal cards have two weak areas.
The first is the drivers. They are still in beta stage although public. They demand 10.12.5 to work and show some instability. Running 9x0 series and the previous drivers are rock solid with much better support in macOS.
The second is that some of the older cards are faster in processing power due to a larger amount of streaming processors.
The 980ti is very powerful and so is the old 780ti if I remember correctly.
With that said a 970 or a 1050/1060 card can bring quite some life and power into both older and newer computers.
A Mac mini or a MBA are no longer dead and will offer plenty gaming power as well as decent OpenCL performance and will not cause the mac to run the fans hard during processing images or whacking monsters in games.0 -
[quote="NN249438UL" wrote:
Yeah.. i asked because i read the newer 10XX Pascal Cards aren't as fast in OpenCL.. but i have to look up some more tests i guess 😊
Not slower, but not significantly faster. A couple 980 Ti's vs 1 1080 Ti would be ideal if you're going the Hackintosh route.
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= ... encl&num=40 -
Has anyone here tried to use a modern eGPU (say nVidia 9xx or 10xx) with a Mac Mini 2012 (TB1)? How good/bad does it work, given the theoretical 10 Gbps bottleneck? 0 -
[quote="John Doe" wrote:
Has anyone here tried to use a modern eGPU (say nVidia 9xx or 10xx) with a Mac Mini 2012 (TB1)? How good/bad does it work, given the theoretical 10 Gbps bottleneck?
Yes I have.
The 970 is the most powerful in small form factor chassis.
The 980-series have good support and performs very well.
The 1070 va the 970 on a Mac mini i7 over TB1 is not worth it performance wise in C1.
You gain only a few percentage in conversion pwrformance with the 1070 bust cost is very high for those fractions.
The only benefit is that the 1070 can drive a slightly higher resolution screen without slowing down in games.
But the weak side of the 10-series are the beta drivers at the moment.
A 780ti, 970/80 for processing performance works good and it does games well and is very stable.
If casual gaming is of interest as well the 1050ti or 1060 could be considered.
The 1050ti is very cheap. The 1060 deliveres most bang for buck for gamers. After that the TB1 begin to starve the card.
Export 18MP raw to 18MP jpeg highest quality with mac mini i7 itself does 22-ish per minute.
Same files with a 970 on same Mac mini over TB1 does 55/min. With a 1070 it manage a weak boost to 57/min.
But with an egpu you will never hear the fan in the Mini again.0 -
Wow, thanks a LOT for this very detailed answer!
My main interest is performance with Capture One (I don't play any games on the Mac), so I guess the best choice for me would be 970/980.
Regarding enclosures, the Akitio Thunder 2 or Node models seem to offer the best value. Any other brand/model worth looking into?
Thx again.0 -
There are no officially supported eGPU systems for the mac although there are some systems on the way that have Mac support but not eGPU support.
Akitio are popular but the Thunder2 and 3 handles smaller cards only if you don't want to do very destructive modifications.
Other larger cases accepts full sized cards without any problem.
A good source is to join https://egpu.io for more information and help.0 -
[quote="atenolol" wrote:
A good source is to join https://egpu.io for more information and help.
Wow. Amazing site. Thx for the pointer. 😊0 -
It's worth it 😄
https://i.imgur.com/hywCF0j.png
https://i.imgur.com/nKP0I4A.png0 -
Here's my write up as promised;
http://photogrant.com/akitio-node/0 -
Thanks!
A very good read!
What i find pretty interesting: The 1080 is quite a bit faster than the 980 in a relevant test for me (Capture One).
So i might get a 1070 or so instead of an older 9XX Card.
Is there a difference in the fans spinning on the MacBook? I Know the new MacBooks don't spin the fans as much as mine does..0 -
I've read that the 1060 is similar to 980 in terms of performance. So I would guess the 1080 is more powerful, indeed.
I see people talking about speed increase in outputting JPEGs. I'm wondering about overall performance in the UI department (such as browsing, zooming in/out, adjustments, etc.). What can we expect to gain with an eGPU?0 -
Question:
As my iMac5K doesn't have TB3, I have to TB2.
Can I buy 2x mid performance cards with enclosure and install as 2x eGPUs? So there won't be IO bottleneck due to ports.
Cheers,
Fatih0 -
To my knowledge dual cards of the same type as in 2x 1070 or 2x 980 is not possible in one and same eGPU.
Although it is possible to mix cards of different models, let's say one 980 and one 1080.
But ask in egpu.io because there's a lot of knowledge shared there.0 -
I was thinking more about 2 cards in 2 enclosures 😊 0 -
I guess you would then need to use two external monitors to take advantage of your two cards. Not sure it's worth it. 0 -
I thought with eGPU, I could drive my iMac's own monitor...
Then it is really not worth it.0 -
[quote="fatihayoglu" wrote:
I thought with eGPU, I could drive my iMac's own monitor...
I think you can but AFAIK there's a real performance hit then because the video signal has to get to the GPU and back to the computer. And I would be surprised if you could use your two cards simultaneously to run a single internal monitor.0 -
[quote="fatihayoglu" wrote:
I thought with eGPU, I could drive my iMac's own monitor...
Then it is really not worth it.
Yes you can use a egpu to drive internal monitor.
But there are many performance bottlenecks on the way.
First the TB/TB3/TB3 bandwidth in one direction.
And the. The same path in the other.
Also the graphics cards have 16 pcie lanes while the egpu only uses 4.
Which pretty much saturate the TB3 link. And if you have a TB2 you are down to two lanes. And TB only one-ish.
Two cards can not to used in SLI set up so you would only be able to use one for driving a display.
But even with all these restrictions it can bring some life in good systems which lack graphic performance.
A 5 years old Mac mini suddenly works very well for both photography as well as some gaming in between.
And you can go 4K even although not for gaming on older TB-systems.0 -
Official eGPU released by Apple for developers running macOS 10.13's developer beta. Sounds promising. 0 -
Don't want to hijack the thread but I have a question along the line of this topic. I've got maxed out Mac mini quad core (2012), eGPU box (with GTX 780 for the moment) and a 10-bit capable NEC monitor. I'm aware of the performance hit of running eGPU over Thunderbolt 1, but I don't intend to game on this rig and use it only for photography & graphical software. I'm wondering 2 things though:
1) Does Capture One support 10-bit?
2) If it does, what would be the best Fire Pro or Quadro card (price vs performance) to run Capture One in 10-bit mode?
My main aim is to get 10-bit reproduction of photos and use the card to speed up OpenCL operations.
Cheers
Richard0
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