no icon to collapse variants
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Have you cloned the original? F2 for default, F3 for copy... 0 -
[quote="Jim_DK" wrote:
Have you cloned the original? F2 for default, F3 for copy...
I did not use these shortcuts, but rather a right-click on the image to create variants. They are duly numbered "1", "2" and so on. But I have never had an icon to collapse a group of variants - yet David did so on this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeUedX6 ... J&index=22 at 58:55. I do not have this "collapse variants" icon.0 -
[quote="NN634867799481371016UL" wrote:
[quote="Jim_DK" wrote:
Have you cloned the original? F2 for default, F3 for copy...
I did not use these shortcuts, but rather a right-click on the image to create variants. They are duly numbered "1", "2" and so on. But I have never had an icon to collapse a group of variants - yet David did so on this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeUedX6 ... J&index=22 at 58:55. I do not have this "collapse variants" icon.
This is a (known?) issue since the last few updates. The expand/collapse function through either the menu or on the thumbnail is missing when you have selected the All Images Collection or the Folders > Catalog.
With other collections - Recent Imports/Captures, Albums, Smart Albums - it still works as advertised.0 -
[quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
[quote="NN634867799481371016UL" wrote:
[quote="Jim_DK" wrote:
Have you cloned the original? F2 for default, F3 for copy...
I did not use these shortcuts, but rather a right-click on the image to create variants. They are duly numbered "1", "2" and so on. But I have never had an icon to collapse a group of variants - yet David did so on this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeUedX6 ... J&index=22 at 58:55. I do not have this "collapse variants" icon.
This is a (known?) issue since the last few updates. The expand/collapse function through either the menu or on the thumbnail is missing when you have selected the All Images Collection or the Folders > Catalog.
With other collections - Recent Imports/Captures, Albums, Smart Albums - it still works as advertised.
Thanks, I did not know that. However, it also does not work in my Smart Albums either. After re-checking, the only place I've used variants where the icons works properly is a "dumb" album. I only use a few of those and hadn't noticed it there before. But definitely it does not work in any of my Smart Albums.0 -
Hi, I submitted this issue to PhaseOne Support, Case ID 186118, with the following answer: Hello,
This is actually how the feature is designed. Collapsing is not possible in both smart albums, filtered states, and All images (which is actually a smart album). The reason is that the vairant for which an image gets included in a filter should be visible when using that filter.
Best regards,
Team Phase One Support
Although they closed the case, I replied again:Sorry, but this explanation does not make any sense to me and for your information, in various C1 forums it's posted that this is a confirmed bug. The community is awaiting a fix and the communities ask their members to submit this defect to increase the pressure for a fast fix.
What I would expect is that independent or with the filter, as soon as there are multiple variants in the result set, you would have the option available to collapse.
Please reconsider.
Thanks Reto
Please submit a case to PhaseOne/CaptureOne if you want to join in. You may even reference the case ID above.0 -
Last update from PhaseOne: ".... it has been closed by R&D with the statement that this is not a bug but rather how it is designed." 0 -
This seems to be working now again consistently, at least in my Windows version 9.3. Such much for a feature. They have fixed the bug. 0 -
Thanks to all for having posted this...
If this is a "feature" it should be clearly stated somewhere, don't ya think??
Tore out my hair for a couple hours over this.
Ever since adding Fuji GFX support (thank you! thank you!) I have committed to learning Capture One and adopting it as my primary editing software.
Capture One support, tutorials and webinars are great, but I hate banging my head against a wall like this.0 -
[quote="FM" wrote:
Thanks to all for having posted this...
If this is a "feature" it should be clearly stated somewhere, don't ya think??
Tore out my hair for a couple hours over this.
Ever since adding Fuji GFX support (thank you! thank you!) I have committed to learning Capture One and adopting it as my primary editing software.
Capture One support, tutorials and webinars are great, but I hate banging my head against a wall like this.
If you have an issue or question, just ask, don't wait. Walls have a different purpose. 😁
You'd probably are on CO11 or 12, so you can ask in one of these forums.0 -
Bug or feature, I don't know, but I've just upgraded to v22 and I also don't have the open/close icon in the top left corner of my variants. The support documentation refers to a menu option to open and close variant groups, but that is not showing either. My workflow is session-based, but other than that I'm doing nothing complicated around smart albums, etc. Any suggestions appreciated.
UPDATE: I just deleted a batch of variants and when I viewed them in the Trash folder the icon was showing!
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The support documentation refers to a menu option to open and close variant groups, but that is not showing either.
Do you mean that these items are not there on the Image menu?
Ian
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Ah, so the open/close variant groups is now shown as Expand/Collapse. I CAN see those options, but they remain greyed out whether I select one variant or both. I've also noticed that when I select an image and create a new variant, the original image displays a '1' in the top right hand corner but the new variant is not displayed. If I select the image, which now has a '1' in the corner, the option to expand the selection is not available in the menu. Note: If I choose to clone an image, the cloned variant does display underneath the original, with a '2' icon, but I still get no group/ungroup icon or menu options.
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Richard,
Have you got any filters (or similar) active at the time the Expand/Collapse is not available?
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Yes, I have. I'm viewing 5-star rated images only. When I clone a variant, the cloned variant gets the 5-star rating automatically and is obviously visible. Perhaps a new variant is unrated and therefore doesn't show until I find it and rate it manually? This would explain what I'm seeing.
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As I recall all variants of the image have to be "available" for the Expand/Collapse action to have validity with out potential to cause confusion!
So if some are filtered out - especially if the "1" level variant would be excluded - a "collapse" instruction would mean the currently selected image would disappear.
This can also be somewhat confusing when creating variants for an image if a filter of some sort is being applied.
If one uses the clone variant facility the newly create variant appears in the browser.
If one creates a new variant and the currently applied filter value - for example a keyword - is not included in the original file, then the new variant will not appear in the browser since it would be filtered out.
All of that sounds a bit weird, wacky and potentially confusing at first realisation but when I attempted to compose an improvement to propose as an enhancement request I could not think of anything that would be just as misleading (in some other way) and did not require, at best, a total rewrite of the system to introduce new linking and processing options.
From my perspective and usage requirements there was not enough pressing need for change (even of the pop-up explanation sort) to justify making the proposal. For others it may be a different, more significant matter.
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Thanks for that. I appreciate the explanation. With my particular way of working I will use clone variant 99% of the time anyway and if I want to then take it back to square one I'll just do a reset on it. With cloned groups of images I'm still not seeing the group icon or having the menu option to collapse or expand available, but it's not an issue with the number of images I typically have open in a session, the main thing is immediately seeing the newly cloned image in the browser. I'll continue to tinker in case I'm preventing the above from happening through some other setting or workflow practice.
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Richard,
If there is a filter factor of some sort in place you may need to force a refresh of the "collection" you are working with - probably more likely if using catalogs. I use sessions and have not seen any problems beyond those already mentioned, BUT I'm probably not touching on any of the things that might make various types of "collection" what they are in a catalogue environment.
I'm thinking that the new variant may not automatically be populated in the working memory area for the "collection" unless refreshed. "Manually" created Albums would be an obvious example although it may not be one that is pertinent for your situation. There may be a couple of others that do not immediately come to mind.
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Many thanks for the prompt responses. If I find a workflow that resolves this for the rare occasions I need the feature I will post it here.
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Good man!
I would be delighted to run some testing to support your findings - although preferably not back in Version 7 or 8.
My machines from that time would seem incredibly slow compared to current options! ;)
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