Support for Pentax K3
I am interested in buying this software -will support for Pentax K3 be provided in the near future please?
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Best to ask Support as appose to your fellow users. 😉
http://www.phaseone.com/en/SupportMain/ ... pport.aspx0 -
I suppose that Capture One developers are working now on CO v8 so I think that unfortunatelly Pentax K-3 will be supported only in newest version. 0 -
[quote="Aleksander12" wrote:
I suppose that Capture One developers are working now on CO v8 so I think that unfortunatelly Pentax K-3 will be supported only in newest version.
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Not sure where you're getting your intel from Aleksander12, but I think I'd start questioning the source.
We're simply waiting to get this camera in-house and the owner hasn't sent it yet. Good to check with them in Japan!0 -
Drew is right. We are still waiting to receive the Pentax K3 from Pentax. When that happens we can implement support for the camera in Capture One 7. 0 -
I am most impressed with the quality of my pictures developed in Capture One Express. They have much better clarity than in Adobe or ACDSee. I would be very disappointed to buy COE only to find that I would have to shell out again to get K3 support. I got a reply from Phase one in response to my request which implied that K3 support was being considered for the current version. I suppose that the safest thing would be to wait to see at what point K3 support arrives. It is a pity that Pentax can not be more prompt in supplying a camera. 0 -
Sorry for making such a caustic (sarcastic) remark but I am using Capture One from version 3.x and upgrade it from time to time (up to v7). Through these years I asked for support for Samsung GX-1s DSLR and didn't get it (I sent RAW files to support because I've been said that Samsung wasn't easy to cooperate) now such support never happens as it is old camera (Pentax *ist DS2 which is supported by your software).
Last year I've bought Pentax K-5 II which wasn't supported by CO v6 Express which I owned and I was asked to buy CO 7 PRO which supported this camera. Later you've made CO7 Express which happily supports Pentax K-5 II and I've purchased upgrade.
My wish would be that even you've made newest 7 version of software it would be nice from you if you would also add support for newer cameras for a period of time (for people who don't need all new fireworks and don't earn for a living on photography).0 -
As a small software company, we would be heavily burdened by having to maintain several versions of the same software with several different imaging-pipelines.
I don't follow why your comment on upgrading to express 7 from pro 7 ? If you have bought CO Pro 7 then you have exactly the same camera-support as CO Express 7 does. All you have to do is download the newest CO 7, and you are good to go.0 -
This is always a continual problem for both the photographer and the RAW processing software developers.
I have various RAW processors and I think you can guarantee that for anything other than Canon and Nikon there will nearly always be a considerable delay between the release of a camera and the release of RAW processing software by someone other than the manufacturer of the camera.
Even Adobe who usually support nearly all camera models fairly soon after the product is released will often only on the latest version of ACR - which in turn is usually tied into the latest versions of their Photoshop or Lightroom software.
Sometimes when choosing a camera it's good to think about your workflow BEFORE jumping in. It took almost 18 months from when I got my Pentax K-01 until the RAW output was properly supported. But then it wasn't properly supported on any other of my non-Adobe products.
While irritating, I've come to expect this situation and try and work round it. So far I've actualy managed to resist investing in Lightroom and hope between Phase One, Corel Aftershot Pro and if necessary - the Silkypix tool that comes with Pentax cameras - I can produce some half decent images.0 -
+1 for adding the DNG support for the K-3 asap. I'm basically now sitting with a 300€ piece of software that is useless to me, because it does not support the DNG files coming out of my camera. I can convert DNG files with Adobe's DNG converter so that I can at least get something out (and I'm shooting raw+jpg for now), but I'm missing all the adjustment features I've grown used to in C1. ☹️ Also, as I do all my tagging and management through C1 this means the untagged photos are beginning to stack up...
I was in touch with customer support, but all they said was "No comment" and "It is what it is until we can review support for this camera." when I asked if there is something I can do to speed up getting support for the camera... I was at least hoping for an approximate timeline, because if they say sometime within "Q1 2014", then I'll probably wait, otherwise I'll probably start looking at Lightroom as a replacement (they just announced support for the k3 in their latest version). So I'd ask anyone that has a K3 to put a bit of pressure to the support so that this issue at least won't be forgotten 😕0 -
[quote="jenswegar" wrote:
So I'd ask anyone that has a K3 to put a bit of pressure to the support so that this issue at least won't be forgotten 😕
If you look at the 5th post in this thread (from Jeppe Skjerning) you might also consider checking with Pentax to see if they have been able to make a camera available to the C1 development team so that their shared customers can be supported. If not I would encourage you to encourage other K3 users to put pressure on Pentax until they can confirm that a camera has been made available.
Maybe also ask them why they cannot provide some software that satisfies your needs when they release a new model.
Grant0 -
If you look at the 5th post in this thread (from Jeppe Skjerning) you might also consider checking with Pentax to see if they have been able to make a camera available to the C1 development team so that their shared customers can be supported. If not I would encourage you to encourage other K3 users to put pressure on Pentax until they can confirm that a camera has been made available.
That's a good idea, thanks!Maybe also ask them why they cannot provide some software that satisfies your needs when they release a new model.
They do in fact ship the camera with a software. Even though in theory it does what it states, the user experience is so far from what I'm used to in C1, I don't even want to touch it... And besides, the whole thing comes back to me having built up a library already in C1, and I would hate to have to start over again.0 -
[quote="jenswegar" wrote:
Maybe also ask them why they cannot provide some software that satisfies your needs when they release a new model.
They do in fact ship the camera with a software. Even though in theory it does what it states, the user experience is so far from what I'm used to in C1, I don't even want to touch it... And besides, the whole thing comes back to me having built up a library already in C1, and I would hate to have to start over again.
I totally agree - most of the dslr (and similar) market manufacturers seem to provide only 'adequate' software at best.
Pentax used to ship Abobe Elements with their pocket cameras some years ago - but then they did not have a RAW output anyway.
Maybe Pentax could be persuaded to discuss the possibility of bundling C1 with their bodies? I have no idea whether Phase would be interested in that suggestion. But it would, I assume, make body availability less of a problem! 😉
Grant0 -
I assume the SilkyPix producer is affiliated with Pentax/Ricoh (they make bundled software) and they are not interested AT ALL to have rivals in early months of selling new cameras.
While Adobe already released new ACR version, guys in SilkyPix would be happy to have Phase One too late!0 -
It is a pitty. I think I have to change to lightroom although I like C1 a lot. But if it could last months until C1 will support the new flagship of Pentax, many Pentax photographer have no other choice. 0 -
Moral of the story?
Don't buy your new "flagship" until your converter of choice already supports it.
It really is that simple.0 -
Yeah, true that. My early adopter upgrade to the K-3 was a combination of for once having spare money + getting excited about the new features, such as dual sd-card slots, better display, more focus points, better video handling, etc. Didn't even think about my converter not supporting the files the camera produces. But lesson learned...
Now I just hope that Phase One is not putting the support of this camera on the back burner completely. I was happy to see that the last minor update did include support for some new cameras, so maybe there is hope. For now though, I'm shooting raw+jpg and just working on the jpg files for minor adjustments, which is not ideal I know... Lightroom is an option, but don't want to pay for it so I'm waiting until I have collected a bunch of raw files and the start a trial. Hopefully by the end of that trial there will be support in C1 for the K-3...0 -
Just put in request for support of the Pentax K3.
It's about time, I would say. Fingers crossed that it's in the next update.
Chris0 -
Some weeks ago I asked as a client the people of Capture One if Capture One will support the K-3 and when it will be. They said that they will put the K-3 on a list but they can not say that a support will come.
Yes, it is simple.
Johannes0 -
[quote="NNN634579190043170706" wrote:
Some weeks ago I asked as a client the people of Capture One if Capture One will support the K-3 and when it will be. They said that they will put the K-3 on a list but they can not say that a support will come.
Yes, it is simple.
Johannes
I guess this will be standard procedure, but nonetheless I enquired further with tech support on the status for Pentax K3 support. I simply cannot imagine however, that a premium raw converter with the status of CO1 would actually leave out support for a top Apsc camera that gets many "best in class" ratings, and is on occasion even called the best Apsc camera ever. Pentax may not be as big as Canon or Nikon, and the Sony A7 may cause a bigger stir, but the Pentax K3 is selling very well. Perhaps Phase one could chime in and give us an update on support status for the Pentax K3?
Chris0 -
Support will come for the Pentax K3. It will not make it for the next release because of the launch of the IQ250, but it is on the scope for the release after. 0 -
[quote="Christian Gr" wrote:
Support will come for the Pentax K3. It will not make it for the next release because of the launch of the IQ250, but it is on the scope for the release after.
Thanks.
Main thing is, that support for the Pentax K3 will be added. I simply cannot imagine having to turn to another raw converter permanently.
Chris0 -
[quote="ChrisM" wrote:
[quote="Christian Gr" wrote:
Support will come for the Pentax K3. It will not make it for the next release because of the launch of the IQ250, but it is on the scope for the release after.
Thanks.
Main thing is, that support for the Pentax K3 will be added. I simply cannot imagine having to turn to another raw converter permanently.
Chris
I'm glad to hear that 😉0 -
Disappointed that support for K3 was not included in the current and latest release, but hoping that the next one will include it and will not be too far into the future. 0 -
[quote="NN634893591576431410UL" wrote:
Disappointed that support for K3 was not included in the current and latest release, but hoping that the next one will include it and will not be too far into the future.[quote="Christian Gr" wrote:
Support will come for the Pentax K3. It will not make it for the next release because of the launch of the IQ250, but it is on the scope for the release after.
Sorry that you are disappointed but I think we did our best to prepare you for the fact that support would not be in 7.2.
Thanks for your patience, we should have it available in the next release.0 -
[quote="NN634893591576431410UL" wrote:
Sorry that you are disappointed but I think we did our best to prepare you for the fact that support would not be in 7.2.
Puh, so the support for K-3 seems to lie far in the future.
That is the drawback, if you use the products of small labels like Pentax. They are not important. It is not a reproach, only a diagnosis.
Fortunately I found a very good software-solution.
I liked Capture One a lot. A very good software.
Johannes0 -
[quote="Drew" wrote:
[quote="NN634893591576431410UL" wrote:
Disappointed that support for K3 was not included in the current and latest release, but hoping that the next one will include it and will not be too far into the future.[quote="Christian Gr" wrote:
Support will come for the Pentax K3. It will not make it for the next release because of the launch of the IQ250, but it is on the scope for the release after.
Sorry that you are disappointed but I think we did our best to prepare you for the fact that support would not be in 7.2.
Thanks for your patience, we should have it available in the next release.
Well Drew, you and Phase one have temporarily driven me into the arms of DxO optics pro, of which I still had a v6 license and decided to pay the upgrade price to version 9. But with that returned the horrors of incomplete or arbitrarily implemented color management. Even in the latest version you are forced to work in the Adobe RGB color space, and your precious Raw data is subjected to merciless clipping. I contacted their support and they threw me the bone :"but you can output the .tiff's into any colorspace you want". Yes, very nicely done, but what is the purpose of outputting clipped data that has been forced into the Adobe rgb color gamut, in a very large color space just because it sounds nice?
I'll happily take the mild frustration of late Pentax K3 support over the horrors of badly written raw converters any day!
Looking forward immensely to return to the thoroughly professional raw converter that CO1 is.
Chris0 -
Are there plans _when_ the next release with the support for the K3 will be released? 0 -
[quote="Christoph2" wrote:
Are there plans _when_ the next release with the support for the K3 will be released?
Sure there are - but nobody is going to share them here. Phase One does not pre-announce.0 -
Hello ChrisM, Keith and Drew
I have to say that this is not PhaseOnes's finest hour. The corporate watchword these days is transparency. But PhaseOne seems to have its own Big Stopper! (I am of course joking/teasing - but it is a serious point.)
So, Cap1 or DxO? Or, how about Silkypix or even Pentax itself? All RAW converters have strengths and weaknesses. Like Keith, I find that while DxO does a superb job with lens distortions the colour tones of the output image are nowhere near as 'good' as Cap1. (Of course 'good' is relative - one man's meat etc.) When I use DxO I use 'neutral colour' mode knowing that I will be reprocessing the tif output. (I find LR5 is good at revitalising the colours). Conversely, when I use Cap1 I know I will have to apply a lens correction elsewhere (PTLens is good). So may I suggest that despite PhaseOne's current shortcomings as far as K-3 is concerned there are workarounds.
You have turned to DxO - a good choice. But I don't understand the exchange you have had with their staff. As I understand it, a raw RAW file (i.e. unprocessed) has no colour information apart from the in-camera colour temperature setting. Even as it is being processed the 'image' is just a mathematical model that is presented to a colour monitor that visualises what the image would look like if our brains could process the raw mathematical data.
The monitor is pre-programmed to make the best of the raw model. It relies on a graphics card and colour-calibrated driver and (for a price) it offers a choice of a sRGB look or an Adobe RGB look. But at no stage does it impose this on the raw model. When you are satisfied with the image you save it, making an appropriate selection from the options available in the software - tif, jpeg, sRGB etc. So DxO are correct in pointing out that you can save in sRGB and Adobe RGB colour space. Likewise, Cap1 of course. My understanding is that it is at this point that some tonal clipping can occur - remember, there is no 'colour' as we understand it, but our brains interpret it as a colour. (All electromagnetic radiation is colourless until it interacts with the physical world with a mix of absorption and reflection.)
So if DxO outputs are inferior to Cap1 output colours (and I agree that they are) the 'fault' may not lie in the DxO colour algorithms. My suspicion is that the root cause is poor handling of the contrast/tonality envelope and a DxO obsession with removing any hint of luminance and colour noise.
I'll stop there - not really Cap1 territory. I hope it helps.
Regards to you all.
Peter
P.S. Yes please Drew - it is very much in PhaseOne's interest to publish an outline road map. For example, which cameras are in the profiling pipeline; and which lenses?0 -
[quote="Peter" wrote:
P.S. Yes please Drew - it is very much in PhaseOne's interest to publish an outline road map. For example, which cameras are in the profiling pipeline; and which lenses?
Hi Peter,
this is a dead-end. Have a look at rule 1(the first part, anyway - the bit about the Announcements forum is a standing joke):
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5485
It's taken very seriously, always has been, and with good reason: if you don't promise anything, you can't be held accountable for not making good on the promise. Phase One has been bitten in the past for doing this, hence the approach they now take.
Most other big players in the converter space do likewise: try and find a Lightroom roadmap (or indeed an Optics Pro roadmap)...
Incidentally, while I like DxO Optics Pro for its noise reduction, the lens profiles really don't matter to me at all, because nearly everything I do is telephoto, where lens distortion is largely irrelevant as long as the subject in the middle of the frame (usually a bird, a fast motorbike, a plane or a rugby player) looks OK - which it usually does at 400mm or 600mm.0
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