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Does C1 Redraw every-time a Catalog is opened?

paintbox
I just got finished building a 30,000 plus image catalogue.
Every time I close C1 and reopen said catalogue, it starts redrawing the images, essentially making any adjustments impossible.
I was under the impression that once previews were generated, they were stored in the catalogue. If I have to wait for previews to be drawn every time I want to view the catalogue, I will have to wait hours.
Is this normal behavior?
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  • SFA
    Hi Sysyphus,

    A long shot ...

    How does your screen resolution match with the Preferences setting for default Preview Image Size?

    The Capture One default as installed is quite large to match high end screens, retina displays and so on. As such if you are viewing on a smaller screen the images will, typically, be re-rendered before display. You may find setting the preview to the max size of your usual screen (or smaller) will speed things up and make the catalog system viable for you.

    Or this suggestion might be a long way off the mark for your problem and you may already have looked at it. Seems like something worth evaluating though.

    HTH.

    Grant Perkins
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  • Christian Gruner
    [quote="SFA" wrote:
    You may find setting the preview to the max size of your usual screen (or smaller) will speed things up


    You are correct that CO does large previews to make quality previews, but I must strongly advice against setting the preview size lower than your longest edge of your screen resolution. 1 step below your screen-resolution will work if you don't work with a full-screen Viewer (i.e. without the tools and browser visible).
    The performance of CO can be greatly affected if setting the preview size too low. Why? Because if the preview generated isn't big enough for the screen, CO will trigger a new full preview generation of that specific file, which of course will be slower than just loading the preview, and downsizing it to fit the Viewer
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  • Christian Gruner
    [quote="Sysyphus" wrote:
    I just got finished building a 30,000 plus image catalogue.
    Every time I close C1 and reopen said catalogue, it starts redrawing the images, essentially making any adjustments impossible.
    I was under the impression that once previews were generated, they were stored in the catalogue. If I have to wait for previews to be drawn every time I want to view the catalogue, I will have to wait hours.
    Is this normal behavior?


    This is not normal behavior. Could you make a screen-capture video to show us what is going on ? But, before you do that, try updating to 7.1.3, which has just been released: http://www.phaseone.com/en/Downloads/Ca ... Pro-7.aspx
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  • SFA
    [quote="Christian Gr" wrote:
    [quote="SFA" wrote:
    You may find setting the preview to the max size of your usual screen (or smaller) will speed things up


    You are correct that CO does large previews to make quality previews, but I must strongly advice against setting the preview size lower than your longest edge of your screen resolution. 1 step below your screen-resolution will work if you don't work with a full-screen Viewer (i.e. without the tools and browser visible).
    The performance of CO can be greatly affected if setting the preview size too low. Why? Because if the preview generated isn't big enough for the screen, CO will trigger a new full preview generation of that specific file, which of course will be slower than just loading the preview, and downsizing it to fit the Viewer


    Hi Christian,

    Thanks for the clarification. Very useful.

    If the problem that Sysyphus is seeing is in fact related to the preview size it seems to me that using an "on demand" re-scaling and preview regeneration when editing may be less troublesome than waiting for the entire catalogue to do whatever it is doing - although I take your point that this is not expected behaviour.

    In practice I find it is to find myself viewing at full screen resolution so any calculation time saved there by using larger previews is probably offset by the additional calculations required at the smaller sizes more often seen. That said I have set the preview size to match my native screen resolution (1920 in my case). Seems to work well and I have no performance concerns although there can be a lot of CPU activity in the background at times and I am not sure what it is for.

    Best,


    Grant Perkins
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  • ettore.causa
    [quote="Christian Gr" wrote:
    [quote="Sysyphus" wrote:
    I just got finished building a 30,000 plus image catalogue.
    Every time I close C1 and reopen said catalogue, it starts redrawing the images, essentially making any adjustments impossible.
    I was under the impression that once previews were generated, they were stored in the catalogue. If I have to wait for previews to be drawn every time I want to view the catalogue, I will have to wait hours.
    Is this normal behavior?


    This is not normal behavior. Could you make a screen-capture video to show us what is going on ? But, before you do that, try updating to 7.1.3, which has just been released: http://www.phaseone.com/en/Downloads/Ca ... Pro-7.aspx



    I have the exact problem....
    even with 7.1.3 it a painful experience to wait for C1 to redraw 61000 images every time I lunch the application!
    I dont find it normal.... both Aperture and LR,once the preview are created , lunch on spot

    Thanks
    Ettore
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  • Christian Gruner
    [quote="NNN635022403475152212" wrote:
    [quote="Christian Gr" wrote:
    [quote="Sysyphus" wrote:
    I just got finished building a 30,000 plus image catalogue.
    Every time I close C1 and reopen said catalogue, it starts redrawing the images, essentially making any adjustments impossible.
    I was under the impression that once previews were generated, they were stored in the catalogue. If I have to wait for previews to be drawn every time I want to view the catalogue, I will have to wait hours.
    Is this normal behavior?


    This is not normal behavior. Could you make a screen-capture video to show us what is going on ? But, before you do that, try updating to 7.1.3, which has just been released: http://www.phaseone.com/en/Downloads/Ca ... Pro-7.aspx



    I have the exact problem....
    even with 7.1.3 it a painful experience to wait for C1 to redraw 61000 images every time I lunch the application!
    I dont find it normal.... both Aperture and LR,once the preview are created , lunch on spot

    Thanks
    Ettore


    Can I ask what folder you are looking in Capture One? And do you by redraw mean generating previews (visible in the Activities windows)
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  • paintbox
    Maybe I should have been more forthcoming with info:

    The source images are stored on an external thunderbolt drive (LaCie 2Big)
    The catalogue resides on my computers local drive.
    I have dual monitors: 24" which I was using for browsing and the 27" which is used for editing.

    Setting for the previews is 2560
    Hardware Acceleration =Never (This seems to be the root of many issues)

    Hardware is 2013 Mac Mini 2.3 ghz i7
    16GB Ram
    500 GB Samsung Pro SSD

    Yes it redraws all images in the catalogue.
    I know this because, the number of images in the catalogue starts out at say 800 images and slowly builds to the final amount. At the same time the keyword buttons are populated in real time.
    I'm not sure if this matters, but keyword search doesn't work very well. If I type in the word "Mexico", no images are found. However the radio button for the Keyword "Mexico" works just fine.

    As far as to whether it is visible in the activities window, yes it is. Well sometimes. It depends on how much of computer's resources are getting used. In other words the activity window is blank until it "catches up"
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  • ettore.causa
    [/quote]Can I ask what folder you are looking in Capture One? And do you by redraw mean generating previews (visible in the Activities windows)[/quote]

    SO..... the Catalog is on my computer drive (Macbook Pro Retina,2.7GHz,16GB Ram,NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 1024 MB)
    while all the Raw files are stored on a external drive (2Tb USB 3)
    Basically every time I lunch the application C1 is extremely slow and non very responsive, and I noticed that under the tab "All Images" it starts counting them!!
    As i said earlier this is nothing to do with preview process which is done already

    Thanks
    Ettore
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  • sizzlingbadger
    I saw something similar with my test catalog (7000 images) but I don't think it was re-processing previews, I think it was just re-linking to the masters on the external firewire drive. Could this be the same issue you guys are seeing ?
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  • paintbox
    Updated to 7.1.3
    Behavior is the same as before. I opened the activity monitor and Capture One is utilizing over 200% of my CPU, so I'm pretty sure it is redrawing the previews.
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  • paintbox
    Wanted to give you guys the latest.
    The program isn't redrawing anymore. Unfortunately I cannot give a concrete reason why but I will tell you what I have done.
    I was under the impression that running dual monitors may have been the root cause. So:
    First I created a workspace for my particular setup and named it.
    I then let it redraw overnight.
    Restarted the next day and it became unresponsive so I force quit.
    I then repaired permissions (this is always good to do anyway)
    Brought it back up where it got an error that went by too fast to catch but it had something to do with the library.
    C1 loaded up fine.
    Whenever C1 is opened, it does take a little long to get going, but it does get going.
    Now the Catalog works fine but is very slow loading and editing can be a bit slow as well. I can live with it for now.
    Its not Lightroom speed but it'll do.

    One other thing that I didn't mention is that my main monitor is the last stop on my thunderbolt daisy chain, while the secondary monitor is coming straight from the computer.
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  • ettore.causa
    I did repair permission but I still have to wait about 10 minutes every time I lunch the application before being able to use smoothly C1 !!!

    Yours
    Ettore
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  • paintbox
    [quote="NNN635022403475152212" wrote:
    I did repair permission but I still have to wait about 10 minutes every time I lunch the application before being able to use smoothly C1 !!!

    Yours
    Ettore


    I'm thinking this is pretty normal as not many people are chiming in on how fast and responsive the catalog is.
    Surely the guys at C1 will get this catalog thing remedied.
    Unfortunately Apple will be releasing their latest OS in a few months so it will be back to the drawing board.
    I don't envy the software guys at all.
    All that said, when I work in sessions everything works perfectly. Of course my session photo count is tiny compared to the catalog.
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