Background interface color...why white on black ?!
Hello,
Is the black background interface can changed?
White text on black background is really aggressive for the eye after several hours or days of work ...
This is one reason that prevents me from changing of LR ... 😉
Thank you
Is the black background interface can changed?
White text on black background is really aggressive for the eye after several hours or days of work ...
This is one reason that prevents me from changing of LR ... 😉
Thank you
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You Can chabge that from the Preferences. You have multiple choices. 0 -
hello christian, thank you for your answer.
ok for the viewer, but this option is'nt available for the whole interface ? it seems to me... 😉0 -
Only for the Viewer Background, yes.
The dark UI is chosen because it is less harsh on the eyes, as you are not being blinded by a bright interface. This also makes it easier to judge and adjust your photos, which is the essence of Capture One.0 -
[quote="Christian Gruner" wrote:
Only for the Viewer Background, yes.
The dark UI is chosen because it is less harsh on the eyes, as you are not being blinded by a bright interface. This also makes it easier to judge and adjust your photos, which is the essence of Capture One.
You don't have to use a bright white background, Christian. Remember, there are grays.
In my opinion, the ideal photo software UI would be user-customizable for the entire interface. I would choose a neutral gray (medium-dark) background for the image area and a lighter gray area (with black text) for the caption/text editing area.
A dark gray background might be appropriate for editing photos and for very small bits of light text (e.g., titles or headings), but it is not appropriate to put paragraphs of white text on a dark background. This is due to how the eye responds to light/dark and has long been an accepted principle in UI/UX design. Imagine if this forum were designed with white text on a black background. Your eyes would feel strained quite quickly. There's a reason why the forum has black text on a soft gray background.
From: "Dark or white color theme is better for the eyes?" ...
". . . dark letter forms on light backgrounds are easier to read. When using a dark background with strong light letter forms, the iris opens to allow more light in, but that causes letter forms to blur."
"People with astigmatism (approximately 50% of the population) find it harder to read white text on black than black text on white. Part of this has to do with light levels: with a bright display (white background) the iris closes a bit more, decreasing the effect of the "deformed" lens; with a dark display (black background) the iris opens to receive more light and the deformation of the lens creates a much fuzzier focus at the eye."0 -
But the main screens are dark grey background and medium light grey text as far as the menus are concerned.
When editing I'm more interested in the images and the colours than I am reading the text for more than a second or two.
My understanding is that colour work a mainly dark background surround has benefits for pictures and processing them whilst avoiding eye strain and colour shift effects.- which is why most photo editors seems to present themselves using dark backgrounds0 -
FWIW... I'm coming from the perspective of a Media Pro user who spends as much time writing/preparing the metadata for my stock images as I do editing them. In Media Pro the caption/description field is designed as black text on medium gray -- which is very much appreciated for caption writing (I often labor over paragraph-long captions, and would definitely experience eye strain if that field were black). 0 -
Totally agree with you Syncrasy !
The ideal for an artist (painter, sculptor) is a gray workshop (the studio of Cézanne is totally gray!) ... LR and Aperture are, right?
It is necessary to speak rather of calm vision around the photo, leaving our eye in the rest when we parameterize, when we look for a tool. But here in C1, white stimulates the eye in the wrong direction and the return to the photo is accompanied by interference ....
Anyway, beyond the debates in the absolute, I think that C1 should allow a free choice of colors for his UX.
Someone has the cell of the CEO of PhaseOne? Where do we start a petition?0 -
[quote="Gregcop" wrote:
Someone has the cell of the CEO of PhaseOne? Where do we start a petition?
You raise a support case submitting a feature request.
Ian0 -
Yes Ian ! but where on phaseone.com ?
I don't find in the support ...0 -
Ok Ian, I found! 😉 Support Case
I had made a request in 2016 ... ☹️
the answer was, it will not happen right away ...0 -
there is a reason why photoshop still offers a grey interface as does infinity photo after strong user request. a dark interface looks cool but interferes with our perception and it is a very bad choice for image editing and everything related to printing.
feature requests should be collected in public as many other companies do. but oh then it would not be so easy to ignore and reject them....0 -
Those complaining about the dark interface should track down C1 v3 and earlier. It was medium gray back then! 0 -
[quote="Horseoncowboy " wrote:
there is a reason why photoshop still offers a grey interface as does infinity photo after strong user request. a dark interface looks cool but interferes with our perception and it is a very bad choice for image editing and everything related to printing.
feature requests should be collected in public as many other companies do. but oh then it would not be so easy to ignore and reject them....
I totally agree Horseoncowboy!
Maybe I should start a petition right here!??
It's crazy that the Phase One Team is not listening to something so important.
Simple enough to implement: a setting that allows you to CHOOSE!
No doubt the team has been devoured by the marketing and the spirit of California 😉
The black background and white typo, yes it's cool, it's seem professional, but it's not!
It's good for an hour of work, then back on your skateboard at Venice beach !! 😉
Phase One do you hear me ?? Or the beach is really too big for you!
There are a lot of guys who are tired of LR 😁0 -
PhaseOne is a Danish company and believe me, as someone who originates from roughly the same part of Europe, they'll spend more time inside behind their screens than they'd like because it's either raining on the beach or too cold to go out.
I do support the request though. Black looks cool but 70%-80% grey works better for me.0 -
Yes Emile1!
I imagine they are much more serious than these Californians 😉
This comparison was to wake them up! because behind their screens, I have the feeling that it sleeps deeply .... 😄
I hope to wake them at a time, talk around you, post here, take action! thank you all0 -
[quote="Emile1" wrote:
PhaseOne is a Danish company and believe me, as someone who originates from roughly the same part of Europe, they'll spend more time inside behind their screens than they'd like because it's either raining on the beach or too cold to go out.
I do support the request though. Black looks cool but 70%-80% grey works better for me.
FWIW the background on my workspace using Win 7 is dark grey rather than black. When you mentioned 70-80 it occurred to me that 80% grey is probably what I am working with.
Might there be some difference by type of screen or maybe brightness settings or perhaps gamma settings?
Grant0 -
[quote="SFA" wrote:
FWIW the background on my workspace using Win 7 is dark grey rather than black. When you mentioned 70-80 it occurred to me that 80% grey is probably what I am working with.
Might there be some difference by type of screen or maybe brightness settings or perhaps gamma settings?
Grant
Actually, I just fired up C1 and you are absolutely right. It's about 80% on my panel too. My bad - joined in the discussion without checking... Lesson learned 😊0 -
[quote="Emile1" wrote:
[quote="SFA" wrote:
FWIW the background on my workspace using Win 7 is dark grey rather than black. When you mentioned 70-80 it occurred to me that 80% grey is probably what I am working with.
Might there be some difference by type of screen or maybe brightness settings or perhaps gamma settings?
Grant
Actually, I just fired up C1 and you are absolutely right. It's about 80% on my panel too. My bad - joined in the discussion without checking... Lesson learned 😊
Well, I too would have said it was darker than it is but for something nagging away at the back of my mind.Brightness, darkness and colour are quite strange things.
In real terms they can be measured as absolutes but when the human brain is involved the interpretation may not be so absolute.
The brains of other creatures just do their own things with the information they receive and often get totally different results, we are told.
I am starting to understand why things like so-called "filters" are popular in social media places when used to "style" an image. Basically it allows people to create their own version of a reality with no need to try to make things realistic.
A metaphor for modern life I suppose. Or indeed all life since way back but more easily achieved in a world full of technology.
😉
Grant0 -
[quote="SFA" wrote:
I am starting to understand why things like so-called "filters" are popular in social media places when used to "style" an image. Basically it allows people to create their own version of a reality with no need to try to make things realistic.
A metaphor for modern life I suppose. Or indeed all life since way back but more easily achieved in a world full of technology.
😉
Grant
Like it !! 😄0 -
I second that request! And hope for that feature since version 4 when I contacted and talked to a support member.
A Black UI is right when you are working in a dark studio all day. But it is stressful to the eyes in a dimmed or normal lit situation. I´d prefer choosable brightness for the complete UI or at least would like an option for mid/dark grey which relates to the viewer settings.
By the way... Black or white as being extremes are never good to evaluate pictures. A neutral mid grey is preferable if you accommodate the way how human vision works.0 -
[quote="NN146088UL6" wrote:
A Black UI is right when you are working in a dark studio all day. But it is stressful to the eyes in a dimmed or normal lit situation.
Which is probably why Capture One's interface isn't black unless you choose "Black" for the viewer in the prefs. And then the tools will still be dark grey, not black.0 -
[quote="John Doe" wrote:
Which is probably why Capture One's interface isn't black unless you choose "Black" for the viewer in the prefs. And then the tools will still be dark grey, not black.
not really black but not clear enough. In fact a choice would be the ideal and would make everyone agree, no ?0 -
a dark interface is never helpful because it shifts perception of contrast even when you use a lighter viewer background color. I dislike this interface for studio work (stills) even more ! 0 -
I was an Aperture user, tried photos and having a white background that couldn’t be changed was one of the main reasons I ended up with C1. I find dark background much easier to work with. In fact the C1 GUI is very easy and similar to the other programs I use on a regular basis, which is helpful. 0 -
Welcome COP11!
but I have one thing to say to the team: no professional astrophysicist works on images in white on black! the images of the cosmos are analyzed in inverted ... in black on white, you see what I mean;)0 -
I'm resurrecting this thread. I find it utterly insane that still in version 21 it's not possible to change the user interface to a neutral grey. Come on guys! This feature is available in so much other creative software but you won't give your client base the choice? I have mild astigmatism and my eyes hurt after a full day of working in CO due to this limitation. Please respond, thank you kindly.
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you are really surprised ? one might think offering an interface option for light grey should not be too difficult to implement but c1 is moving away from improving c1 for serious work. they have a new target audience which is easy confused with too many options as we have learned in the last weeks....
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