What are the default settings when displaying a raw file?
Hi,
recently I shot PAW+JPG and saved all files in the same folder.
When browsing the folder whith C1 for the first time (or after deleting the CaptureOne folder) I could see that initially the thumbnails of a jpg and raw file (of the same capture) looks the same. As the thumbnails of the raw files were iteratively processed they became more contrasty and with color cast.
Actually, I would prefer to start processing a raw file that looks more like the jpg file than the "pre-processed" raw file.
In the camera maker's raw converter there is no difference in color or contrast between jpg and raw files.
Which settings are applied when a raw file is displayed? Obviously there is some processing made also when showing the thumnails in the browser.
Are the differences between the displayed jpg and raw files given by the generic camera profile that I use?
thanks,
Willy
recently I shot PAW+JPG and saved all files in the same folder.
When browsing the folder whith C1 for the first time (or after deleting the CaptureOne folder) I could see that initially the thumbnails of a jpg and raw file (of the same capture) looks the same. As the thumbnails of the raw files were iteratively processed they became more contrasty and with color cast.
Actually, I would prefer to start processing a raw file that looks more like the jpg file than the "pre-processed" raw file.
In the camera maker's raw converter there is no difference in color or contrast between jpg and raw files.
Which settings are applied when a raw file is displayed? Obviously there is some processing made also when showing the thumnails in the browser.
Are the differences between the displayed jpg and raw files given by the generic camera profile that I use?
thanks,
Willy
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I don't have an answer to your question but I have noticed that the images look different when viewing after adjustments than they do we I process to photoshop. It makes it very hard to get the look I want because what I see in Capture One is not reflecting what I am getting in Photoshop. I didn't have this problem with the 3.0 versions.
I remember the 3.0 version would allow you to select the ICC profile that you viewed the image with while in Capture one, I always selected my current monitor profile and doing so allowed me to process to Photoshop without any difference between what I saw in Capture One and the output in Photoshop.0 -
In general,,,in camera jpegs and manufacturer's raw converter images match because they recognise all of the incamera settings by default. COne only recognises WB setting, etc....the raw file is exactly the same, just the display is different....
This is just fine, because you are choosing to use a raw converter with a superior workflow/result IMHO....and the ICC profile associated with that camera, or as modified by you. You have much more control with this model than relying on the incamera settings.....
Any difference between COne output and other programs such as Photoshop generally reflect the color management settings used as well as the quality of the monitor/quality of the calibration. In my systems, the output matches, but only on my calibrated monitors, not so much on my second screens (for tools). Since Windows will allow two profiles, I'd investigate that avenue. I'd also explore the accuracy of your monitor/calibration device. Such sites as www.integrated-color.com (I use ColorEyes Display FWIW) have color mangement forums that give some insight to monitor calibration, quality, etc.....0 -
This problem does not exist on the exact same computer with the 3.XX version I have, it is exaclty wysiswg. I only shoot RAW so its not the jpeps. Capture One 4 is the only RAW converter I use that has this Problem. I still use my 3.7 version which does not have this problem. We are upgrading our cameras and will no longer be able to use the 3.7 version and since our version of Capture One 4.X and we can't seem to get past this problem I am not sure how we are going to deal with this. I am trying other RAW processing software right now in case this problem cannot be resolved, the other software does not have this issue either. [quote="John" wrote:
In general,,,in camera jpegs and manufacturer's raw converter images match because they recognise all of the incamera settings by default. COne only recognises WB setting, etc....the raw file is exactly the same, just the display is different....
This is just fine, because you are choosing to use a raw converter with a superior workflow/result IMHO....and the ICC profile associated with that camera, or as modified by you. You have much more control with this model than relying on the incamera settings.....
Any difference between COne output and other programs such as Photoshop generally reflect the color management settings used as well as the quality of the monitor/quality of the calibration. In my systems, the output matches, but only on my calibrated monitors, not so much on my second screens (for tools). Since Windows will allow two profiles, I'd investigate that avenue. I'd also explore the accuracy of your monitor/calibration device. Such sites as http://www.integrated-color.com (I use ColorEyes Display FWIW) have color mangement forums that give some insight to monitor calibration, quality, etc.....0 -
[quote="John" wrote:
In general,,,in camera jpegs and manufacturer's raw converter images match because they recognise all of the incamera settings by default. COne only recognises WB setting, etc....the raw file is exactly the same, just the display is different....
yes, but initially C1 somehow shows the raw files as the jpg files (at least as thumbnails). Then some the display adjustmensts are applied and raw thumbnails became more contrasty (and underexposed making high iso Fuji S5 raw files unusable).
Actually I would like to disable these display adjustments done for raw files, because in many cases these make the raw file unusable or at least a bad starting point to process the file.
I'm using a calibrated Eizo monitor.
Is there any way to disable these display adjustments?0 -
It isn't that Capture One is adjusting the file. The change that you see is from the thumbnail or sample image included in the raw (which is the camera's rendering), to Capture One's interpretation of the raw data.
You could try changing the film curve to linear, that's probably closer to how the camera handles the data, but the Capture One's color profile is going to be different than the camera's.
As other's have said, it is the same data, just different interpretations. No one is any more right.0 -
[quote="Christopher" wrote:
It isn't that Capture One is adjusting the file. The change that you see is from the thumbnail or sample image included in the raw (which is the camera's rendering), to Capture One's interpretation of the raw data.
You could try changing the film curve to linear, that's probably closer to how the camera handles the data, but the Capture One's color profile is going to be different than the camera's.
As other's have said, it is the same data, just different interpretations. No one is any more right.
That's my understanding too. Also 3.7 did this as well - it first showed the embedded thumbnail in the RAW file, then it 'developed' a new thumbnail after each image had been loaded.0 -
[quote="Alex" wrote:
[quote="Christopher" wrote:
It isn't that Capture One is adjusting the file. The change that you see is from the thumbnail or sample image included in the raw (which is the camera's rendering), to Capture One's interpretation of the raw data.
You could try changing the film curve to linear, that's probably closer to how the camera handles the data, but the Capture One's color profile is going to be different than the camera's.
As other's have said, it is the same data, just different interpretations. No one is any more right.
That's my understanding too. Also 3.7 did this as well - it first showed the embedded thumbnail in the RAW file, then it 'developed' a new thumbnail after each image had been loaded.
The fact that first the embedded thumbnail is first showed could be the explanation why the thumbnails of the jpg and raw files looks similar until the raw file is loaded.
I have tried to use another the film curve and also chose the ICC profile CaprureOne - No Change but didn't get similar colors as the jpg file. At least using the extra-shadow curve reduce the contrast but there is no help for compemsating the rendered "underexposed" image.
Thanks for your answers.
Cheers.
Willy0 -
Dear Willy,
I would suggest you open a case on this issue on support website as we would need to analyze the actual raw files to be able to determine where the problem lies.
It could be an expected difference due to Capture One internal color management as implied by John and also it could be related camera curves as mentioned by Christopher, but it is also possible that it could be behavior that is not expected and thus would need to be carefully analyzed by our R&D team.
In any case please contact support, so we can help you answer the question.0
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