full iptc metadata support
the IPTC photo metadata standard implemented in 2004 is still not being supported in c1 5
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i confirm, metadata support is still insufficient and inconsistent (not all of the metadata entered in CO is preserved in the converted files...). This is quite astonishing, given the fact that for a long time CO, has been sold in bundles with iView Media Pro and Expression Media 0 -
Well I've been hoping/posting for IPTC templates like we had in V3, dead easy, save all your copyright personal info in a template and apply the job details as required-simple, in one easy drop down menu.
Having just watched the metadata video tutorial the way metadata is applied and saved is really confusing and complicated.
Never got an answer why templates were omitted from V4/5???0 -
I have now begun to understand why the IPTC results are so variable. It all depends in which order you do things. I have just raised this plea on the PC forum and as a support case.
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I have just spent most of the day keywording images in PhotoMechanic and embedding the data into the RAW files and adjusting the images for processing.
I have now discovered that C1Pro (4.8.3) seems to pick up the caption/keyword/etc data when it FIRST OPENS (actually when it creates the preview) the image file and stores it in the .cos file. That means any amendments I have made to the keywords after opening the image in C1Pro is lost when I process the file. I can find no way to force C1Pro to refresh the metadata from the RAW file once it is has created a .cos settings file.
I now face the task of either having to recaption all the images or I have to redo the adjustments depending on whether I recreate the .cos settings file. It means I have lost most of a day and I will be late getting these files to my client. I only discovered this after processing them and sitting down for an evening cleaning and checking the processed images.
Can ANYBODY suggest a way out of this problem?
I now begin to understand why I had variable results with IPTC pass through. It depended on exactly which order I did things. If it happens outside C1 after the image has been opened then C1 seem to ignore it! C1Pro has been useless for serious maintenance of IPTC data since v4 and V5 is if anything worse from initial tests - which is why I am not using it.
HELP PLEASE!!!!0 -
I had a speedy response from support but it offered no help - the message was essentially: it is not good practice so you will have to live with it. Do it how we say! 0 -
For the Mac users my reply on Martin's question in the Windows forum (viewtopic.php?p=33046#p33046): Martin3,
My suggestion: with PhotoMechanic you can export the IPTC metadata for each image individually into an XMP file. Import each XMP file into each respective image you processed with Capture One. This can be done with PM, Photoshop or Bridge for example. Nothing lost, just a one time extra effort.
The behavior of Capture One you described (metadata is read during first opening) has been there since v1.0. Further no comments. Good luck!0 -
Thanks Paul, for completeness here is my reply to your suggestion in the ther thread.
In fact what I did was to copy the converted TIF files into the same directory as RAW, sorted them so that the TIF and RAW were paired up and then stepped through in the PhotoMechanic IPTC pane and for each pair did a copy,advance,paste,save and advance. Took me a an hour or so but it worked - 4 key strokes per image.
In version 3 I did not notice the load metadata at create preview stage because the IPTC text editing was pretty much as good as anything then available so I did it all in C1. It is only since v4 that I have had to use PhotoMechanic however in other applications such as Lightroom it is possible to "load from file" which refreshes the metadata from the original RAW image (or at least it does in the beta of v3).
The best thing Phas One could do is abandon their own metadata handling and come to a deal with CameraBits to do a PhotoMechanic plug-in. Now that would give us the best of both worlds!
I still think C1Pro is the best RAW converter and despite the reservations n=many have about workflowI still find it the quickest for adjusting images. Believe me since version 4 and recently 5 came out I have looked at pretty well everything else on the market.0 -
Camera Bits have a feature in Photo Mechanic for Raw converters (and file formats) that don't fully support IPTC metadata. Go to Tools > Update IPTC/XMP. Select "Read IPTC/XMP from RAW". PM will copy metadata from files with the same name but different extensions. e.g. NEF > JPG.
Remember Photo Mechanic can display more than one folder in the same Window so you don't need to move files to copy metadata. just open the Raw and JPEG folders in the same Window.
PM will do this copy/paste with Raw to/from *JPEG*. Martin if your output is TIFF Expression Media has a VB Script and AppleScript that does the same metadata copy and paste. You can set it to work with any file format.
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OK, I think I know whats going on. If you shoot tethered or ingest using C1 the metadata fields are all empty. C1 writes this into it's own database, and that's it. It doesn't read it again. I c1 5 you can ask it to load the metadata from the files but in c1 4 you can't so what you need to do is to move the raws somewhere such as the moveto folder and have another look. If you still can't see it move them back to the capture folder using the finder and return to the capture folder in c1. This forces c1 to re-load the RAW files and the metadata is re-read. Crazy approach but it's worked for me for the last few shoots I've done.
C1 needs to see when a raw file has been updated by some other application and automatically re-read the metadata. I guess it would have to ask you if you want to use the embeded or sidecar metadata, or the c1 database metadata as you may have changed it c1 in the meantime too.0 -
But does PRO V5 load metadata work and does it pass IPTC data through at all? I cannot get the PC(Trial) version to pass the IPTC data even when it has loaded it on initial open or via load metadat. It just does not get passed into the output file; and I am not the only one.
Has anybody got it to work?0 -
From my experience if it shows up in the metadata tab, it gets passed through. Only one keyword shows in the tab although they are all written to the output file. This is V5 on various mac configs. 0 -
Adrian is that fully activated version or the Trial version (which is where I suspect the problem lies)?
I'm not paying for an upgrade until I see it working! Mind you I have already spent more time than the upgrade cost trying to get it to work!0 -
It's the trial version. 0
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