Best CPU for C1 10
Do Capture One 10 benefit from processors with many cores?
I´m choosing between Intel i7 7800 and AMD Ryzen 1800x processors.
I´m choosing between Intel i7 7800 and AMD Ryzen 1800x processors.
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I'd prefer the Intel, be sure to get a fast (not embedded) GPU
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/In ... 3928vs39160 -
I would prefer an AMD and please, no skylake-X (more expensiv, less effizient, chaotic strategy with mainboard and PCI-Lanes, TDP, socket, ...).
I have a R7 1700 (cheapest 8C-Ryzen, 65 W TDP, 8C/16T) and a R9 Nano Graphiccard. Even with running and scanning software in the background (X1-Search, IMatch) and running scientific calculations (Boinc) C1 works fast.
During importing, all 16 Threads are used, but you can already start working from the beginning.
For example: Importing RAW-Files (Canon EOS 5 MarkIV) and in the same time working with RAW "Tonwerte", clarity, HDR:
http://i67.tinypic.com/2uikg8g.jpg
It shows immediately the changed picture.0 -
Thank you, Wolfram!
Your real world experiences are very valuable.
Does it also update the screen immediately when you zoom in and out?
I have found a recipe (mainly for 4K video editing) where many cores and threads is an advantage http://www.logicalincrements.com/articles/videoediting. Based on your facts, I think I can go for the Ryzen CPU (most of my work is still image processing with C1, mainly 42 MB Sony images).
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 1800X
Graphics Card: GTX 1060 6GB
Motherboard: MSI X370 SLI Plus
RAM: 32 GB dual channel DDR4-2666
Storage 1: Samsung 960 EVO 500 GB M.2 SSD
Storage 2: HGST 4 TB hard drive (or 6TB / 8TB)
Power Supply: EVGA G2 750W
CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro H110i
Case: Enthoo Luxe
Operating System: Windows 100 -
I'd go AMD GPU, but with bitcoin the way it is hiking the price of GPU's its a difficult time to be buying.. 0 -
Yeah, the mining cr*p destroys the GPU-market. At least AMD earns some money. But I must admit, I love my tiny overprized AMD R9 Nano. 😊
Zooming max in and out (with a logitech mousewheel, so max speed) needs half a second (0,5 s) to show every pixel sharp (max zoom in) or all of the image (max out immediately). I am not sure, if this is not the work of my fast GPU, instead of CPU.
Just tested with GPU-Z. Zooming in C1 uses GPU-Power too. Maybe a faster GPU is also important.
You see on this screenshot:
http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170809/temp/4zapngmk.jpg
green/yellow: working with C1 (HDR, Clarity, Tonwert, contrast): very fast adjusted.
red: zoom in and out. Zoom in and out doesn't need that much of CPU-Power than working with the RAW itself.
RAW-Image-Size: 5760x3840; ca 35 MB.
Also my RAM are currently just 2100 MHz fast and I have only 16 GB. RAM-Size seems to be important.
You think, you need 750W Power Supply?
And why 1800X? 1700 is cheaper and AMD promized that the next Ryzen-generation are compatible with AM4. So I take the cheapest Ryzen and in 1-2 years I would just upgrade (if the next Ryzen-Generation is faster and/or more effizient). You can try to overclock a 1700. But the 1800X seems a nice CPU too.
If you wait 5-7 days, maybe there is some prize dropping (I don't believe this, but who knows). Tomorrow, AMD shows Threadripper (up to 16C/32T-CPU), but expensive and on 14.8.2017 they start to sell the next graphic generation "Vega". Vega does't seem a very good card yet, but maybe it drops the prize of AMD 570/580 or nvidia 1070 or 1080?0 -
And Phase Ones GPU recommendations don´t look really up to date. They have no higher GeForce GTX number than 970 in the list (I guess higher series - in my case GTX1060) works, but I´m not sure). 0 -
Don't rely on Phase One for updated, FAQ pages.
Would go AMD GPU like Bob say since Capture One use OpenCL unless half the time you are gaming.
Wolfram, you should easily be able to overclock your CPU to 3.6Ghz or even 4GHz.
1700's and 1800's Ryzen CPUs have the same overclocking ceiling (4GHz) so don't need to get 1800X.
But if you have the money and time to jump through hoops for the best CPU, it is still Intel.
i9-7900X with 10c/20t all boosting over 4GHz. Can easily overclock over 4GHz.0 -
[quote="Wesley" wrote:
Wolfram, you should easily be able to overclock your CPU to 3.6Ghz or even 4GHz.
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But if you have the money and time to jump through hoops for the best CPU, it is still Intel.
i9-7900X with 10c/20t all boosting over 4GHz. Can easily overclock over 4GHz.
But I have no need for this, even when I really working hard (10+ software running) or playing games, yet. And more important for me (electricity costs are high in germany) is, that 1700 use less electricity power, is cool and so my system is very silent (my NAS with intel CPU is much louder than my desktop PC).
If there is more money I would wait for the AMD Threadripper-Tests today. Skylake-X seems a little bit thirsty. 😊(Although I have some intel-CPUs here, I don't like their behavior, like the market manipulation back 2009; I love competition).
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[quote="Wolfram32" wrote:
[quote="Wesley" wrote:
Wolfram, you should easily be able to overclock your CPU to 3.6Ghz or even 4GHz.
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But if you have the money and time to jump through hoops for the best CPU, it is still Intel.
i9-7900X with 10c/20t all boosting over 4GHz. Can easily overclock over 4GHz.
But I have no need for this, even when I really working hard (10+ software running) or playing games, yet. And more important for me (electricity costs are high in germany) is, that 1700 use less electricity power, is cool and so my system is very silent (my NAS with intel CPU is much louder than my desktop PC).
If there is more money I would wait for the AMD Threadripper-Tests today. Skylake-X seems a little bit thirsty. 😊(Although I have some intel-CPUs here, I don't like their behavior, like the market manipulation back 2009; I love competition).
You can overclock around 3.6GHz with the same voltage but looks like keeping it cool and quiet is also needed.
I've seen the Threadripper stats (64 PCIe lanes 😲 ) and benchmarks.
Hands down would recommend it over i9-7900x or any Skylake-X CPU.
However power consumption is on par with Skylake-X but efficient considering core for core to the nearest Intel counterpart.
Not amused that Phase One hasn't posted yet on whether Capture One can even utilize many cores & threads.0 -
I found just one test with another RAW-Konverter then Lightroom (I don't say, what I think about LIghtroom... 👿 ).
DXO-Test: hardware.fr
http://www.hardware.fr/getgraphimg.php?id=572&n=4
Maybe C1 works nearly multithreaded.0 -
OK!
After carefully considering all valuable advises I have decided to go for the following setup:
- AMD Ryzen 7 1800x (price differens to 1700 and 1700 X is small, best to go for the fastest unit)
- Motherboard MSI X370 SLI Plus
- Deepcool Captain 120 CPU cooler
- Evga Gold 750 w power supply (to be sure)
- GPU Radeon RX580 8GB
- Corsair Vengeance 2x16GB, 2666MHz DDR4
- Samsung SSD 850 EVO 256 (mainly for program, I´ll move a 500 GB SSD disc from my old computer)
- WD Red 3 TB for other storage
- Windows 10
- Everything in a full size case
Price tag about 190 Euro.
I´ll come back with a report when the computer has been delivered.0 -
[quote="NN181837UL2" wrote:
OK!
After carefully considering all valuable advises I have decided to go for the following setup:
- AMD Ryzen 7 1800x (price differens to 1700 and 1700 X is small, best to go for the fastest unit)
- Motherboard MSI X370 SLI Plus
- Deepcool Captain 120 CPU cooler
- Evga Gold 750 w power supply (to be sure)
- GPU Radeon RX580 8GB
- Corsair Vengeance 2x16GB, 2666MHz DDR4
- Samsung SSD 850 EVO 256 (mainly for program, I´ll move a 500 GB SSD disc from my old computer)
- WD Red 3 TB for other storage
- Windows 10
- Everything in a full size case
Price tag about 190 Euro.
I´ll come back with a report when the computer has been delivered.
Is there a zero missing from the price?
If not, I'll buy 4 (but with bigger SSDs)
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Yes, it is!
But a zero is nothing, so why bother...?0 -
[quote="NN181837UL2" wrote:
Yes, it is!
But a zero is nothing, so why bother...?
I like your thinking!0 -
But when you OC the 1700 to 4GHz all the R7's bench pretty much the same?
I looked into MSI as a platform for my R1700, as I currently have an Intel MSI motherboard, but it seems to fall short with AMD.. The Gigabyte AORUS AMD AM4 Ryzen AX370 GAMING K7 beats it on IO..
Also, Ryzen likes faster RAM, look into 3000 or 3200MHz RAM http://www.legitreviews.com/ddr4-memory ... s_192259/60 -
Some people just don't want overclocking. Could be because of time or heat.
An OC'd 1700 could run hotter than 1800x at same speed.
Need to tinker with voltage and troubleshoot testing for ~4GHz.
If I'm going all out reliable build, I'd go with a higher base clocked CPU from factory.
Oh and Ryzen supports ECC memory if you need that so check the motherboards if it supports it.0 -
COMPATIBLE RAM?
I´ve just discovered another issue, RAM!
Ryzen seems very critical with ram´s and there are not so many tested and supported memories on AMD´s list https://www.amd.com/system/files/2017-0 ... t-en_0.pdf and http://www.pcgamer.com/amd-adds-to-list ... for-ryzen/.
Now I choose between two sets:
4x8 GB 2666MHz or
2x16 2400MHz
I had preferred 2x16 giving me the opportunity to add more memory in the future (maybe unlikely).
Can any Ryzen user share their experiences with RAM?0 -
I have just my standard RAM (the slowest one); haven't time to experiment with this yet. In the forums I read (german) there are no issue about RAM anymore (some even get 3400 MHz). Important are the Bios-Versions of the motherboard.
And I heard something, that Doublesomething RAM are faster even with lower frequency.
Did you look on the homepage of the Mainboard manufactors? They must have a compatible RAM-List, I guess.
For your mainboard + Ryzen: RAM-Compatibility List:
https://de.msi.com/Motherboard/support/ ... port-mem-20 -
Thanks!
Maybee "double-something" is dual channel RAM? Isn' t that standard nowdays?0 -
Interesting. I wasn't fully aware of that implication.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_rank
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I think AMD need to update their list, there are people successfully running with CMU32GX4M2C3000C15 now that new bios updates have given better RAM compatibility.. 0 -
[quote="Bobtographer" wrote:
I think AMD need to update their list, there are people successfully running with CMU32GX4M2C3000C15 now that new bios updates have given better RAM compatibility..
Here´s one of the newest lists about Corsair RAM I have found, although several months old... http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=1666310 -
I've been dying to know how well the Ryzen 1700 and 1800x work with Capture One Pro, and the Radeon RX 580 8GB GPU. No one seems to run benchmarks using Capture One Pro, which is frustrating. LOL
I'm also itching to see how the new Intel 7820x performs with C1P10 compared to the two Ryzen chips. Since I also use Photoshop, I took a peek at this...
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/artic ... zen-7-976/
The 7820x might offer the best multicore and single core balance, whereas Ryzen looks to lag behind.
The associated lightroom article is here:
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/artic ... zen-7-973/
Not sure how this would translate to Capture One Pro, but I would believe C1P is better multithreaded capable based on Mac Performance Guide's website.0 -
[quote="CraigJohn" wrote:
I've been dying to know how well the Ryzen 1700 and 1800x work with Capture One Pro, and the Radeon RX 580 8GB GPU. No one seems to run benchmarks using Capture One Pro, which is frustrating. LOL
I'm also itching to see how the new Intel 7820x performs with C1P10 compared to the two Ryzen chips. Since I also use Photoshop, I took a peek at this...
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/artic ... zen-7-976/
The 7820x might offer the best multicore and single core balance, whereas Ryzen looks to lag behind.
The associated lightroom article is here:
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/artic ... zen-7-973/
Not sure how this would translate to Capture One Pro, but I would believe C1P is better multithreaded capable based on Mac Performance Guide's website.
Personally I´m not so interested in Photoshop performance. I have no problems using PS with my old slower computer, even if the files are large. The challenge is Capture One and video 4K editing, which is more demanding.
One reason for using C1 instead of PS, is that you keep the file size at a minimum and you can modify or reset layers or settings if you want. And you keep picture data fresh from the raw files. Nowdays I only use PS for larger or complicated cloning or for stitching.
I´ll share my results when I get my new computer delivered. Maybee I can make some comparisons between old and new systems.0
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