C1P Working Experiences Macbook Pro 13" vs. 15" Retina?
Hi,
I'm considering changing from my Macbook Air 13", 8 Gb, 128 Gb SSD Mid 2012 model to either the 13" or 15" MBP with Retina Late 2013 model. I would like to hear your opinions in terms of using that for working with C1P 7.
To prevent asking general question, I would like to limit my question specially to the C1P context. I'm already aware about difference of retina and non-retina, viewing angle, chipsets, higher resolution etc. ...
I've already checked both machines in the stores to get a live impression. However, it's still a tough decision. Yet I cannot decide between both. Why I see all the benefits of the 15", I'm concerned this might be too heavy when working on a couch, even though it's just 2 kilos. Coming from 1,33 kilos it's 150%.
I'm also concerned about ergonomics, here mainly because of the distance between front edge and function keys. On a 13" that is very short and thus easy to work with for hours. On a 15" this distance is slightly bigger and thus this might be more inconvenient when working long. It's a bid tricky to explain what I mean, but hopefully you know what I mean. It's one (if not the only) issue I really dislike about any of big Apple notebooks since years. The MBA is especially not good at its front edge, as it is very sharp ruining your cloths (pullovers). As rMBP are not having this type of edge, this problem should be gone.
Has anyone experience with both machines?
I had the opportunity to install the demo of C1P in the store on one of the 15" retinas. Screen real estate is like on my MBA 13", due to 1440x900. Unfortunately I couldn't test the 13" with C1P.
1) I'm wondering whether the smaller resolution of the rMBP 13" model is still sufficient for C1P?
2) I'm mainly working on a couch with angles legs, which works very convenient to me if you don't have such a heavy and big notebook (I sold off my 2,7 kilo heavy 17" MBP mainly because of this in 2008). I would surely trade-in performance, if the new notebook can be used convenient and ergonomic while working on the couch. Anyone experience with that? I saw a photographer testing the 13" on CNET, liking especially liking the 13" because of this (he was also working on a couch in the video).
3) Any benchmarks available reg. the OpenCL performance at C1P? How much would the 15" be faster in C1P 7 than the 13"?
4) 8 GB sufficient or 16 GB recommended for C1P?
I'm considering changing from my Macbook Air 13", 8 Gb, 128 Gb SSD Mid 2012 model to either the 13" or 15" MBP with Retina Late 2013 model. I would like to hear your opinions in terms of using that for working with C1P 7.
To prevent asking general question, I would like to limit my question specially to the C1P context. I'm already aware about difference of retina and non-retina, viewing angle, chipsets, higher resolution etc. ...
I've already checked both machines in the stores to get a live impression. However, it's still a tough decision. Yet I cannot decide between both. Why I see all the benefits of the 15", I'm concerned this might be too heavy when working on a couch, even though it's just 2 kilos. Coming from 1,33 kilos it's 150%.
I'm also concerned about ergonomics, here mainly because of the distance between front edge and function keys. On a 13" that is very short and thus easy to work with for hours. On a 15" this distance is slightly bigger and thus this might be more inconvenient when working long. It's a bid tricky to explain what I mean, but hopefully you know what I mean. It's one (if not the only) issue I really dislike about any of big Apple notebooks since years. The MBA is especially not good at its front edge, as it is very sharp ruining your cloths (pullovers). As rMBP are not having this type of edge, this problem should be gone.
Has anyone experience with both machines?
I had the opportunity to install the demo of C1P in the store on one of the 15" retinas. Screen real estate is like on my MBA 13", due to 1440x900. Unfortunately I couldn't test the 13" with C1P.
1) I'm wondering whether the smaller resolution of the rMBP 13" model is still sufficient for C1P?
2) I'm mainly working on a couch with angles legs, which works very convenient to me if you don't have such a heavy and big notebook (I sold off my 2,7 kilo heavy 17" MBP mainly because of this in 2008). I would surely trade-in performance, if the new notebook can be used convenient and ergonomic while working on the couch. Anyone experience with that? I saw a photographer testing the 13" on CNET, liking especially liking the 13" because of this (he was also working on a couch in the video).
3) Any benchmarks available reg. the OpenCL performance at C1P? How much would the 15" be faster in C1P 7 than the 13"?
4) 8 GB sufficient or 16 GB recommended for C1P?
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What camera are you going to use?
File size is going to be an important choice.
What type of work do you plan to do on the couch? I imagine your not doing local adjustments and other more
tricky things... I think you would want to be on a desk for more precise work and maybe with an external monitor.
I have both a 13 and a 15. Need the backup just incase. I end up using the 13 just for tethered and wireless capture and not with Capture One. Working with Capture One is a bit cramped on the 13 compared to the 15, but not a huge difference.
Performance is better with the 15 is better with the top of the line quad core.
Personally I find Capture One slow and cumbersome to work with on a smallish monitor. It just isn't well thoughtout
for a small screen.
For example I would like to make adjustments when in image full screen mode and be able to do it with as simple keyboard short cuts as possible. Capture One also has very poor support for touch screen if you were to use a touch screen laptop of PC tablet.
For laptop use I find that Lightroom is far more thought out, and even more thoughtout when using a workflow that uses tablet/laptop and desktop/monitor together. Smart RAW files are really nice for rendering a huge project more nimble and portable.
For example on the 13 inch laptop I like to do my adjustments bringing the image unto full screen and then making exposure etc adjustments in full screen. you just click in the number box of the first slider and hit f. Image pops to full screen. you click on the up and down arrows and see the adjustments full screen. hitting tab will take yo to full screen. Lightoom pop in and out of full screen really well. I also like to work on the couch and have a second monitor via thunderbolt. Going back and forth from single monitor mode and dual monitor mode is quicker and more thought out in Lightroom.
Also with Lightroom you have the option to use Lightroom for iPAD or Photo Smith as a side kick to your Laptop.
Lightroom mobil is just brilliant of laid back couch or hammock editing.
My preference is to use Lightroom Mobil in offline more... it brings the files onto the tablet and it's really quick once they are on the tablet and works without wifi and then syncs up when you go back online.
Going back to the Laptops.... if you listen to music of the laptop without earphones or additional speaker as you work, the sound on the 13 inch is not very nice compared to the 15. On the 13 the sound comes out of a space between the keyboard ad screen..... on the 15 there are little speakers each side of the keyboard.
As for open CL. Most people turn it off due to stability issues.
And one last thing. There is an interesting application/utitlity that lets you increase the desktop resolution of the retina screens on Macbook Pros. It's called quickres. It lets you set your desktop to higher res as far up as the native res of the retina screens. This is very handy if you need more desktop space to see more thumbnails in one go or see more controls in one go. This works well on both the 13 and the 15 laptops, but is better on the 150 -
Fred, first off all, thanks for your sharing your experience.
I'm using a Leica M9 and uncompressed DNGs (= 36 MB per file).
I'll do all my work on the couch, as it's relaxing. Let's take this working place 'as given'. So from pre-choosing up to final adjustments. I'm also not a pro, not earning my money with photos. It's just a hobby - anyhow with a certain amount of excellence. 😉 I also never do tethered shooting.
Listening to music is not a decision criteria for me, as I'll use an Airplay loudspeakers.
I'll use C1P as it provides me the best results. I've checked Aperture, which s no sustainable software pick anymore (even though it's raw-processing quality, especially for b/w high contrast photos, was absolutely not meeting my quality expectations... and no, I DO NOT want to use any of these fancy extensions to fix what the main software should already be able to do). Adobe Lightroom... gave it a try, but I disliked the GUI. I also dislike Adobe software due to the fact that I always get the impression its taking over my Mac at a certain point.
What I dislike is when I need to click several times before I get to one of the most common used tools. Thus I assume 13" is not a good choice then.
I've ordered the 15" retina now and it's currently on its way with the UPS truck arriving already this afternoon (<24 hour delivery. Excellent logistic service Apple!).0
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