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New PC build for IQ4 151

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  • Robert Whetton
    Why do you prefer Nvidia? AMD gives more bang for buck.
    If you're going to edit 4K video, Threadripper might be worth looking at.
    SSD wise, can't go wrong with Samsung Evo
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  • C-M-B
    If money is not an issue you might as well get something like a DELL Precision 7920 Tower and max that out.
    Saves you the time of building it and when there's an issue you can also get a few years of premium 24-h on location tech support or something similar...
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  • Robert Whetton
    [quote="C-M-B" wrote:
    DELL Precision 7920 Tower and max that out.

    Threadripper eats the Xeon's for breakfast
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  • Wesley
    Do you need any the following:

    Thunderbolt
    CUDA
    ECC RAM
    10-bit GPU
    Quietness
    Smaller than full or super tower

    AMD is nice and all but it depends on OP's needs, things like Thunderbolt and CUDA wouldn't make AMD possible. Appreciate them for igniting a fire under Intel's butt though.
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  • C-M-B
    [quote="Bobtographer" wrote:
    [quote="C-M-B" wrote:
    DELL Precision 7920 Tower and max that out.

    Threadripper eats the Xeon's for breakfast


    You can put a Dual Intel Xeon Platinum 8180M in there 🙄 with up to 1.5TB of RAM.

    That's not going to be beaten by any AMD CPU on the market right now.
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  • Paul DeMers
    Thank you, all! It is interesting. Every 3-4 years, I do a new build up, from the empty full tower scratch, and every time, it just amazes me how much things have changed from the previous build. What a wonderful time to be alive. This will be for a full tower, specifically built for just C1 and for Blackmagic DaVinci Resolve 14 and for Avid. I am not a gamer. The Blackmagic processing is what will eat me and any budget, alive. Time to check out specific recommendations from Phase and, BM, too. Stay tuned.
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  • Robert Whetton
    [quote="C-M-B" wrote:

    You can put a Dual Intel Xeon Platinum 8180M in there 🙄 with up to 1.5TB of RAM.

    That's not going to be beaten by any AMD CPU on the market right now.

    oh really? Threadripper 2 has 32 cores and supports 2TB of RAM 😉
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  • Robert Whetton
    [quote="Wesley" wrote:
    AMD is nice and all but it depends on OP's needs, things like Thunderbolt and CUDA wouldn't make AMD possible. Appreciate them for igniting a fire under Intel's butt though.

    CUDA isn't CPU but GPU 😉 (I don't know a single PC user who uses Thunderbolt..)
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  • Wesley
    [quote="Bobtographer" wrote:
    [quote="Wesley" wrote:
    AMD is nice and all but it depends on OP's needs, things like Thunderbolt and CUDA wouldn't make AMD possible. Appreciate them for igniting a fire under Intel's butt though.

    CUDA isn't CPU but GPU 😉 (I don't know a single PC user who uses Thunderbolt..)

    I never said CUDA was by CPU.
    You must have mistaken my last sentence of appreciation that CUDA was also by Intel.
    AMD GPU's weren't a knockout compared to their CPU's so I can't say the same for Nvidia's butt.

    I imagined Windows 4k editors would also use Thunderbolt as it's not a packet connection like USB.
    This must not be the case?
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  • C-M-B
    [quote="Bobtographer" wrote:
    [quote="C-M-B" wrote:

    You can put a Dual Intel Xeon Platinum 8180M in there 🙄 with up to 1.5TB of RAM.

    That's not going to be beaten by any AMD CPU on the market right now.

    oh really? Threadripper 2 has 32 cores and supports 2TB of RAM 😉


    Dual = 2x Intel Xeon Plat. 8180M.

    Let's just say the comparison is pretty moot anyway, for CaptureOne it's hilarously overpowered (core-wise) either way.
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  • NNN636165693242495433
    At least for Capture one, the key things that i've noted for speed are as follows
    fastest processor with 6 cores or better (this will help with the video editing primarily, if just photos then quad core is sufficient.
    any graphics card - for capture one i've not noticed a huge difference with a dedicated graphics card and on board graphics card.
    Ram- 16 gigs or more.
    The biggest difference is Hard drives. a PCI SSD will make a huge difference in accessing images and loading previews.
    Basically, a mediocre video editing machine will make a superb capture one machine
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  • RobiWan
    [quote="Wesley" wrote:
    [quote="Bobtographer" wrote:
    [quote="Wesley" wrote:
    AMD is nice and all but it depends on OP's needs, things like Thunderbolt and CUDA wouldn't make AMD possible. Appreciate them for igniting a fire under Intel's butt though.

    CUDA isn't CPU but GPU 😉 (I don't know a single PC user who uses Thunderbolt..)

    I never said CUDA was by CPU.
    You must have mistaken my last sentence of appreciation that CUDA was also by Intel.


    Wrong.
    CUDA was a proprietary development by nVidia.
    C1 never used CUDA. C1 needs OpenCL nothing else.

    [quote="Bobtographer" wrote:
    Why do you prefer Nvidia? AMD gives more bang for buck.


    nVidia was always a bit expensive than AMD but - has always used less power and the drivers have always been much better .
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  • Wesley
    [quote="RobiWan" wrote:

    Wrong.
    CUDA was a proprietary development by nVidia.
    C1 never used CUDA. C1 needs OpenCL nothing else.

    Umm...thanks for stating what I already know?

    Where did I say C1 used CUDA?
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  • Alain Decamps
    [quote="NNN636165693242495433" wrote:
    At least for Capture one, the key things that i've noted for speed are as follows
    fastest processor with 6 cores or better (this will help with the video editing primarily, if just photos then quad core is sufficient.
    any graphics card - for capture one i've not noticed a huge difference with a dedicated graphics card and on board graphics card.
    Ram- 16 gigs or more.
    The biggest difference is Hard drives. a PCI SSD will make a huge difference in accessing images and loading previews.
    Basically, a mediocre video editing machine will make a superb capture one machine


    I use now 4 core's which is on the limit and I'm planning to go 6 or 8 core (fastest mainstream CPU) or even threadripper (16 cores) if the price difference isn't that high, with a amd rx 580 GPU or better. I never encountered a slowdown when using sata SSD's on my currect pc, those can read up to 500MB/s or several images. Even writing tiff's to a HDD doesn't make a noticable difference.

    And I'm not using a IQ4 151.
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  • gnwooding
    I am currently running an Intel 5820k (6 core, 12 thread) overclocked to 4.5GHz, 32GB RAM, 2 x Nvidia 1080ti and an m.2 SSD.

    What I have found is that my CPU is a severe bottleneck for my system, for example if you look at this post here

    viewtopic.php?f=52&t=27609&start=30#p132432

    You can see that during exporting my CPU is unable to feed even a single 1080ti.
    This spills over to real world usage as well, while painting a mask with numerous random slider adjustments my CPU hits 100% and each GPU sees a usage spike of 15%, again the cards don't even ramp up to full speed (they only run at 1550 MHz, while other intensive video tasks they hit 2000 MHz).

    Personally I think if absolute performance is desired I think you need to overclock whatever CPU you get as close to 5 GHz as possible. If I was looking to buy now I would probably go for a de-lidded and water cooled i9-7960X or i9-7980X and overclock it as much as possible (7960X might overclock better so might in fact be the better option).

    I would then go for at least 32 GB of the fastest DDR I can find with a good CAS latency.

    For GPU I would look at the newly announced 2080ti or the Titan V. I would probably stick with 2 cards.

    For HDD get yourself a nice big and fast M.2 SSD.

    I also have a custom water cooling loop that keeps everything cool and quiet and I believe it is completely worth the effort and expense.

    At the end of the day every system has a bottleneck and I assume that would again be the CPU in the above setup especially for C1.
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  • David Green
    Given what you're looking to do and that you're not interested in gaming, on the GPU you could go for a Quadro. It will let you display proper 10-bit color on your EIZO for the few apps that support it. (Although I don't think C1 does?) The Geforce cards will not support 10-bit on OpenGL. Although you may not even care about that, and you'd be paying quite a premium for it. I know you said cost isn't an issue but I don't know how much you might mean that when you're staring down a P6000 for $7K. 🤓

    The GeForce cards are much cheaper and C1 just basically uses their raw horsepower. The 2080Ti's that are just hitting shelves now so they are the current fastest kids on the block, except maybe for some the extremely expensive Quadro or Volta cards. I don't know how much C1 would really take advantage of their power though and think it will end up doing you more favors for your video editing performance vs. photo editing.

    CPU would be a nice high core count chip, but as with most things, as you go higher in the CPU food chain, you'll get diminishing returns vs. price, I think especially with the way C1 runs (see below). Probably x299 Motherboard & Intel Chip or AMD Threadripper 2 setup. You can look at Xeon setups, but the prices go up and up and you're mostly just gaining support for ECC Memory. C1 is pretty good about using all the cores and whatever GPU's you've shoved into a system, although as per gnwooding's post, performance of CPU or GPU will somewhat co-depend on the balance between them and perhaps other bottlenecks in the system.

    I have an Intel 8700K (6 Core / 12 Thread) OC'd to 4.8Ghz, with a single 1080ti. Typically editing off an external Samsung SSD. Also, I'm just working with 20 & 30MP Canon files, so things are going to be likely a bit different with 100 or 150MP Phase One files.

    My CPU tends to get hit harder than the GPU. While actively editing / making adjustments, I'll see typically between 50-80% spikes, sometimes hitting up to 100% with only down around 30% GPU usage spikes, typically less though. It really seems to depend exactly what specific tool or adjustment you're using though.

    While exporting, it's a bit more balanced with about 60% - 70% spikes on CPU, sometimes hitting a bit higher here and there, and 40% - 50% on the GPU.

    What I think is interesting is that it's not really hitting either to full potential. My thought is that this is because it only processes one file at a time and the actual process time is so quick that it doesn't really get to ramp up before it's already done. If you look at the usage graphs, it's peaks and valleys in usage of CPU/GPU. It seems like most of the time it takes with each file is reading and writing. If that's the case, with the much larger Phase One files, you may see better results. I wish that they would give the option to have it chew on several images at once, so there could be much more usage of the system / faster exports of large photo sets... but that's easy for me to say, and likely a much more complicated thing for them to code!

    Some recommendations from your questions (some of which is echoing gnwooding):
    - Get an M.2 NVME SSD for the boot drive, and another for working drive if you need. (Many of the current motherboards support 2 of them.) The best are the Samsung 970 Pro's. If you move between computers with work, get an external SSD so you're not getting bottlenecked by a slow spinning drive.
    - I would recommend 32GB of RAM as well. Although more so for the video side of things. I rarely see my ram usage hit 16GB (I have 32) when I'm running C1. But video, especially 4k eats that stuff up.
    - Water cooling the CPU is a good idea. Some AIO Cooler that's at least 240mm. I'm sure custom water cooling loops are a bit better overall but they take much more time and sometimes maintenance. Depends on how much time you'd want to put into that.

    Hope some of this helps and someone chime in if I've made any mistakes here!
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  • Paul DeMers
    Wow! Thank you, all. I enjoy the comparisons. No decisions yet. Waiting 'til the last second.
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