4.5 on Mac OS 10.4.x
Is anyone running the 4.5 version on a MAC OSX 10.4.x system with sucess? - if so I would be glad to know, thank you.
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Jonas,
Capture One 4.5 PRO is a Leopard (10.5.5) only software. Please read the release notes for compatability and system requirements.
Kind Regards,
Drew0 -
Hmm, this wasn't mentioned before as far as I know.
Now I first have to buy a new computer before using this program.
Anyone knows when Apple is going to introduce their new Macbook Pro?0 -
[quote="Drew" wrote:
Jonas,
Capture One 4.5 PRO is a Leopard (10.5.5) only software. Please read the release notes for compatability and system requirements.
Kind Regards,
Drew
Can you explain to me why that is? - I mean the 4.1.1 was running fine on Tiger and so many people are still running tiger. I understand you can't support everything outdated, but I just think Tiger is still in use so many places it's a big mistake not to support it and without knowing the exact details why it's not supported it seams to me it should be fairly easy to support when 4.1.1 was running fine, but I could be wrong.
But it's a BIG set back for me, it means I either have to buy an extra computer or not upgrade to run 4.5, which of course does not make me a happy bunny 😊0 -
I DO agree!!!!!!!.
I just bought a P21 RF and it seems that I will need to buy a new mac!!!
Of course the CO4 DB will be this 4.5, so how can I work meanwhile? And with the usd exchange rate going crazy in México, how I´m going to afford it, after the "little investment" done?.
Quite happy running 4.1 in Tiger, so WHY did you do that?
Bad, bad, bad. So, how about the "support" if I´m not supported from the start!!
I agree that it is unfortunate that Tiger is not compatible with 4.5, but I assure you that alot of thought was put behind the decision. There are some very major differences between OSX 10.4 and OSX 10.5 and as a result programing for both is extremely time consuming. In the process of developing 4.5 over the last few months it became clear that if we were going to maintain a timely release schedule we needed to focus on the newer OS. What we were seeing was 3-4 times the number of errors showing up in 10.4 as in 10.5... most of the error we experienced in 10.4 did not occur in 10.5. Had we continued to develop support for 10.4 it is not likely that a release would have been made before the end of the year, also new features to come later would then take longer to release as well. With 10.6 Snow leopard just around the corner next summer it simply did not make sense to continue to push back our release schedule to deal with OS problems that are quickly becoming more and more out of date. 0 -
[quote="Jon" wrote:
I agree that it is unfortunate that Tiger is not compatible with 4.5, but I assure you that alot of thought was put behind the decision. There are some very major differences between OSX 10.4 and OSX 10.5 and as a result programing for both is extremely time consuming. In the process of developing 4.5 over the last few months it became clear that if we were going to maintain a timely release schedule we needed to focus on the newer OS. What we were seeing was 3-4 times the number of errors showing up in 10.4 as in 10.5... most of the error we experienced in 10.4 did not occur in 10.5. Had we continued to develop support for 10.4 it is not likely that a release would have been made before the end of the year, also new features to come later would then take longer to release as well. With 10.6 Snow leopard just around the corner next summer it simply did not make sense to continue to push back our release schedule to deal with OS problems that are quickly becoming more and more out of date.
I guess it's somehow fair enough, I just think we should have been warned about this long time ago, I mean all previous versions of 4.x have been running fine on OSX 10.4 so it was quite a supprise for me that the 4.5 did not work.0 -
[quote="Jon" wrote:
I agree that it is unfortunate that Tiger is not compatible with 4.5, but I assure you that alot of thought was put behind the decision. There are some very major differences between OSX 10.4 and OSX 10.5 and as a result programing for both is extremely time consuming. In the process of developing 4.5 over the last few months it became clear that if we were going to maintain a timely release schedule we needed to focus on the newer OS. What we were seeing was 3-4 times the number of errors showing up in 10.4 as in 10.5... most of the error we experienced in 10.4 did not occur in 10.5. Had we continued to develop support for 10.4 it is not likely that a release would have been made before the end of the year, also new features to come later would then take longer to release as well. With 10.6 Snow leopard just around the corner next summer it simply did not make sense to continue to push back our release schedule to deal with OS problems that are quickly becoming more and more out of date.
will it run on 10.5 with a PPC computer?0 -
Hello All,
Personally, I find this decision by Phase One to require OS 10.5.5 and an Intel-based processor only TOTALLY preposterous!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I bought a Mac G5 tower only a few years ago (naturally, just before Apple announced that they were moving to Intel chips) thinking that this system would last me for a long time due to its expandability. About 4 years ago--back with C1 was pretty much THE major player in RAW conversion--I stupidly fell for buying an option add-on called the "4-pack upgrade." This add-on would give me 4 additional upgrades (activations) for "free." Okay, it wasn't free because I was paying something for the upgrade add-on option but, at the time, it seemed like a worthwhile deal considering the anticipated cost of purchasing separate upgrades each and every time.
That was in 2004. Fast forward to 2008 with only very minor dot updates to C1 PRO and Phase One f-i-n-a-l-l-y releases a brand new version; which I can't use, of course, without buying a new computer!! Excuse me?!?!?!? I have absolutely no intentions of forking out another $2,500US for a new Intel-based Mac just to run C1. And, here's the "fun" part... I've been in contact with Tech Support to see about getting a refund for my unused upgrades purchased long ago and they can't even tell me who to get in contact with!!!!!! I have purchase receipts and a stream of e-mails revealing that this program existed and that I purchased what I said I did, and... nothing!! Just today I got an update to my case stating that they're trying to find someone to help me... Why is this so hard? Hey, Phase One, you made a poor decision and pissed off quite a few customers; please stand up and do the right thing!!
BTW, and this is directed squarely at the decision makers at Phase One: I know several professional photographers who haven't upgraded to OS X 10.5, yet. Guess you don't give a hoot about them, either!!
Steaming in the USA,
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[quote="Alan" wrote:
I know several professional photographers who haven't upgraded to OS X 10.5, yet. Guess you don't give a hoot about them, either!!
This is true in my area as well. We have a collection of G4/PPC desktop machines & laptops, and just one Intel Mac. All run fine and do everything we need to do under OSX10.4.11.
I have no plans nor needs to go to Leopard, no need for CS4 either. But to be forced into buying Leopard on my Intel Mac to even demo software that has so much bad press about it's unfriendliness to users and other flaws?? I won't even be able to go back in my archives to access several years of old v3.7xx sessions as they will not be compatible with v4.5.
This even effects my camera buying decisions as CO Pro v3.7xx supports the Canon 1DsMKIII (untethered only), but not the Canon 5DMKII at all! If I want to be prudent with my camera purchases and buy the Canon 5DMKII instead, I will need to buy Leopard, and CO Pro v4.5 and settle for a step backwards.0 -
I can't agree more - what an arrogant move - narrow minded and short sited. I had 10.5 running on an intel machine and do not use it as I can't afford to be chasing down bugs and crashes in a machine while I have deadlines. Sorry I still find 10.4 the most stable and I was just as surprised to see the 10.5 intel requirement. Backwards compatability is a must, unless you no longer care about new market share and existing customer base. I also could not find any reference as to the 4.1.1 camera raw file list.
Not impressed and expected more from PhaseOne.
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Quite some people letting off steam here, for understandable reasons. Nobody gets thrilled when being forced to upgrade OS and/or hardware due to a new release of an application. For the sake of more balance, I will try to look at the topic from slightly different angle, not necessarily in Phase One's defense.
Regarding Mac hardware, the Intel Mac was introduced begin 2006 and Apple migrated within a year all hardware and never looked back. Goodbye G4 and G5, you will be served for one new OS X release and that's it. Transitions went rather smooth due to Rosetta emulation built-in, making us believe we could stay with our G4/G5 machines for a long long time.
Next, October 2007 OS X 10.5 hit the stage. Still full range (read: backward) hardware support, but oh boy, what a fat lady she had become and no full 64-bit architecture yet.
Mac OS X 10.6, due summer 2009 will not support any G4/G5 hardware but will be 64-bits and promises better performance due to optimization for a single hardware platform (for the same reasons that PPC Mac owners prefer Tiger today).
Now let's look to Phase One's competitors (not my habit to call names here, but...). Bot Brand H* and Brand L* (<grin>) released entire new software for their backs earlier this year, both require OS X 10.5, optimized for Intel but 'technically supporting G5'. Note that due to major differences between G4 and G5, the G4 felt out of the boat earliest. Brand H* does not have a Windows version released, Brand L* did this only recently. This way they safe enormous amounts of resources to support backwards compatibility. Note that the manual from the H* software does state the G4/G5 gives very poor performance with their software, and you need at least a 2x Quad core Xeon 2.8 GHz (nothing less!) for good performance. In short for H* and L*: use OS X 10.5 on Intel Mac, no Windows support or one that is lagging behind.
Summary
Companies like Phase One, H* and L* develop their software for today and tomorrow's OS/hardware, than for yesterdays technology for reasons of cost. We work with yesterdays systems more than often for the same reason. In the current period of transitions from PPC to Intel on both hardware and OS X level, it is unavoidable that our interests conflict for a certain period in time. But in the end, we are in the same boat.0 -
[quote="Jon" wrote:
I agree that it is unfortunate that Tiger is not compatible with 4.5
This reminds me of that famous newspaper headline from last century: "Terrible fog in English Chanel, Europe cut off from British Isles".0
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