Upgrade Price
Hallo,
Last year the price was 99,- euros but this time it’s 119,- plus tax wich brings it up to ca 140,- euros.
Seems to me a little expensive.
Thomas
Last year the price was 99,- euros but this time it’s 119,- plus tax wich brings it up to ca 140,- euros.
Seems to me a little expensive.
Thomas
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[quote="NN635607233219261773UL" wrote:
I get the strong feeling that this upgrade should be version 10.3. The added features do not warrant a full number upgrade, it is probably a cash generating exercise more than anything else.
I could not agree more. The upgrade to v 10 was already a cash collecting move.0 -
I’ll never upgrade to the 11.
As I see it now there’s no reason for me to keep the 10 either so I will probably off load my CO10 licence for cheap to cover some of stupidness jumping onboard this mess.
I hesitated a year ago but went ahead with the buy. I dearly wish I had not as I feel sad, annoyed and like a fool. :/0 -
Same here.
Also they've ruined my existing v10 styles and catalog with this update. Just a huge pain and poorly thought through development process.0 -
As I said in another thread, I'm less concerned about the price and more concerned about the lack of support for my new cameras. I'm paying for something I can't use with no indication of when support might arrive. 0 -
[quote="NNN636367001543615043" wrote:
Same here.
Also they've ruined my existing v10 styles and catalog with this update. Just a huge pain and poorly thought through development process.
The v10 styles are not working in v11 ?0 -
[quote="VAD." wrote:
[quote="NNN636367001543615043" wrote:
Same here.
Also they've ruined my existing v10 styles and catalog with this update. Just a huge pain and poorly thought through development process.
The v10 styles are not working in v11 ?
I read the comment as meaning that some personally developed styles may not be working for reasons not entirely identified yet.0 -
[quote="SFA" wrote:
[quote="VAD." wrote:
[quote="NNN636367001543615043" wrote:
Same here.
Also they've ruined my existing v10 styles and catalog with this update. Just a huge pain and poorly thought through development process.
The v10 styles are not working in v11 ?
I read the comment as meaning that some personally developed styles may not be working for reasons not entirely identified yet.
Nice, I have to ad another 65€ to my losses, last month I purchased the RNI film pack..0 -
[quote="atenolol" wrote:
3 days short of one year ago i paid 313,75 EUR för Capture 10.
Upgrading to version 11 will cost me another 148,75 EUR
And or the first 6 months Capture 10 was a total mess with destructive crashes and all other sort of performance related problems.I can't afford this unfortunately.
I'll have to look for something else. Most likely turn to DXO instead.
You will be disappointed, I worked with lightroom CC for 2 years with lots and lots of problems. So I switched to DxO. The prime noise reduction is excellent. But no local layers and no histogram adjustments. I was not happy with it. Also with the lack of any communication to the customers it looked like the software department was going to shut down. (It did not, there is an update, and I did try it, but was not impressed) So I downloaded C1 to try it out. Believe me, it is the best on the market. Even on an old machine it is fast. Raw conversion is excellent, printing simpel and with version 11 I do not have to use Pixelmator to repair a picture. So the last 5 years I spend almost 600 euro for crappy software and 300 for an excellent product. An yes quality cost money. You can choose to drive a Mercedes or a Dacia. It is up to you, and yes, I am also not very happy that after purchasing C1 10 I have to pay for the update to 11. I decided to stay with C1.0 -
I have not seen any style yet, designed for CO10 that does not work for CO11, so it would be interesting if more information could be shared. I am talking about applying a style to the Background layer.
That said, since CO11 allows to apply style to an adjustment layer, some adjustments in the style might not work. CO11 warns the user. This is typically when an adjustment like Vignetting for example, is a tool not working on layers.
Color Editor Basic adjustments in a style are also not working on a layer, in contrast to Advanced and Skin Tone CE adjustments. the CE Basic can be adapted to becoming a Advanced CE adjustment working with CO11 layers again.0 -
Yesterday i got the notification email about version 11 and the upgrade price for Capture one 10 to 11 was 99,- EUR. Just wanted to buy it this morning and now it says 119,- EUR. WTF? This is very unkind and looks like a rip-off to us changing prices in a couple of hours. I think I will skip the upgrade for the first time. 0 -
[quote="danielschweinert" wrote:
Yesterday i got the notification email about version 11 and the upgrade price for Capture one 10 to 11 was 99,- EUR. Just wanted to buy it this morning and now it says 119,- EUR. WTF? This is very unkind and looks like a rip-off to us changing prices in a couple of hours. I think I will skip the upgrade for the first time.
I did not see a notification email from Phase suggesting a price of €99.
However, was that before tax?
Grant0 -
@SFA The newsletter had a link to their website advertising the new features of version 11. On that website there was the button "upgrade now" with the prices 99,- for version 10 to 11 and now it's 119,- EUR. It's only 20,- EUR but this is sneaky changing the prices in a couple of hours. I don't like this behaviour at all. I've contacted support - if they send me a discount code to get the 99,- price I will buy it - else I will skip the upgrade for the first time. 0 -
I upgraded yesterday and the Ambassador discount (10%) was honored - paid US$ 107.00 total!
Now to the implementation of upgrading the sessions and images to version 11 engine...0 -
Phase One:
You are out of your mind. (Period!) Staying with 10 unless there is a reasonable upgrade price, or a killer feature. This is a robbery on our faces. I was really looking forward 11, but no way im spending each year 140 EUR for minor updates software.
Oh yes improved performance, performance feature is a must on such software, why would you sell "performance improvements" when the app should have been built with it in consideration form day 0? Annotations? well export png open in Preview and make markup annotations and send to retoucher.
Better colour tools?? ... mmm Edit with> Affinity Photo (45 EUR) and enhance there the colours 😜.
Please reconsider this upgrade price. A year ago I paid 300+ EUR for the license, and now I have to spend 140 more.... :/. Even considering going to subscription more is a no option.0 -
[quote="Thomas5" wrote:
I am sure that I saw this morning an upgrade price from Capture one 10 to 11 was 99,— Euro .
I should have made a screenshot but I did not.
From version 6,7,8 to 11 the price was 119,-
Thomas
See the quote above.
Im not the only one that saw this sneaky price increase from 99,- EUR to 119,- EUR.0 -
[quote="danielschweinert" wrote:
See the quote above.
Im not the only one that saw this sneaky price increase from 99,- EUR to 119,- EUR.
I suspect the lower price was a result of an oversight when updating the web site, which was quickly spotted and correct to the new higher price.
After some consideration I have decided to try v11 and see if I can justify the upgrade price. Damn it, CO Pro knocks spots of the competition in so many areas.0 -
[quote="adrianchapman" wrote:
I suspect the lower price was a result of an oversight when updating the web site, which was quickly spotted and correct to the new higher price.
This is really good, kindergarten like.0 -
I think the price is fair but I also have the feeling that we software only user have to pay more to keep their hardware business running 😉
I have been thinking the upgrade and its price over, and I think that this is the first version upgrade to come along, that is almost solely geared towards productivity and least of all the version upgrades has anything to offer on other levels, like image quality, sharpening, noise reduction, camera support updates (revised color profiles), etc...
So in short: if you are nót a working pro in the fashion/ advertising business, then this upgrade is an overpriced point update at most that you don't want to spend the inflated upgrade price on. If you áre a working pro on a perpetual deadline, then this may be a very usefull upgrade and the price will mean nothing to you, next to the investments in hardware.
So, don't upgrade, hmmm? 😊
Sure, if only the OS upgrades (Mac as well as Windows) would be supported in v10, but reality is, that you will soon be stranded with v10.
Chris0 -
I feel that their perpetual license is misleading. You end up with a piece of software that isn't developed anymore, no more bug fixes and improvements, no more new camera's or lenses are added.
I have another software with a perpetual license that allows me to install any update, minor and major.0 -
I recently tried Lightroom CC mobile on IPhone X and blown away editing 36-megapixel files. $10 for PS+LR is already a steal but the mobile CC component is a killer feature. Not having to carry a bag or laptop(10 pounds total) to be able to deliver processed RAW files on deadline is a HUGE advantage for me(and my back).
The money I saved on C1 11 "upgrade" is going to Adobe.
Never thought Phase One's actions would make Adobe look good.0 -
[quote="NNN635507439502082957" wrote:
I recently tried Lightroom CC mobile on IPhone X and blown away editing 36-megapixel files. $10 for PS+LR is already a steal but the mobile CC component is a killer feature. Not having to carry a bag or laptop(10 pounds total) to be able to deliver processed RAW files on deadline is a HUGE advantage for me(and my back).
The money I saved on C1 11 "upgrade" is going to Adobe.
Never thought Phase One's actions would make Adobe look good.
Your money is also going to Apple. How much was the X?
That much cost on some relatively fragile hardware but you worry about a couple of dollars a month on other costs.
Well, I guess we all do it.
Sticking with the "It's better for my back" makes a better pitch. Better still if you can use the camera phone for your work. Now that would really be a breakthrough.0 -
I deliberately skipped v10 because I a) purchased v9 around 3 months earlier and b) the update had too little improvements. At that moment I also decided to buy a new version ony if I’d find it worthwhile. I think that's a healthy way of dealing with new versions. For me v11 is such a version.
One other thing.
In this topic I read a lot about users returning to Adobe. But I recall discussions about LR and PS where it was stated that the new version didn’t bring really new options. And just a few weeks ago they forced even more customers into their subscription model with the introduction of LR CC. The cheapest form the model has in the Netherlands is around €12. This sums up to €144 a year as well. And you don’t have the possibility to skip a version.
So I know where to put my money on.0 -
This is what I paid:
2014 - €62
2015 - €89 an increase of 43.5%
2016 - €89 0% increase
2017 - €119 - an increase of 34%
So we have an average annual increase of 25% on upgrades over the last three years in a 0 inflation World.
Not bad if you can have it...
Also, if they keep the pace in 3 years upgrade will cost €232 🤓0 -
[quote="PeterO" wrote:
This is what I paid:
2014 - €62
2015 - €89 an increase of 43.5%
2016 - €89 0% increase
2017 - €119 - an increase of 34%
So we have an average annual increase of 25% on upgrades over the last three years in a 0 inflation World.
Not bad if you can have it...
Also, if they keep the pace in 3 years upgrade will cost €232 🤓
Zero inflation measuring what?0 -
[quote="VAD." wrote:
This is really good, kindergarten like.
Many folks have offered you sound and mature explanations, but you continue to try and bash anyone who doesn't agree with you regarding the price increase. Might I ask, who is acting like they are Kindergarten?
I'm always amazed at the gripes that fly around on forums after a new release. If an increase in $20 is too expensive for someone, then I suggest that photography might not be the right thing for them. In this hobby, we spend thousands of dollars, if not tens of thousands of dollars on gear and accessories. I'm not even remotely concerned about spending an additional $20 for an outstanding piece of software.
Thank you Phase One for the great new features you brought to us with Capture One Pro 11. You are making the software better for users every day and I appreciate what you do!0 -
[quote="SFA" wrote:
[quote="PeterO" wrote:
This is what I paid:
2014 - €62
2015 - €89 an increase of 43.5%
2016 - €89 0% increase
2017 - €119 - an increase of 34%
So we have an average annual increase of 25% on upgrades over the last three years in a 0 inflation World.
Not bad if you can have it...
Also, if they keep the pace in 3 years upgrade will cost €232 🤓
Zero inflation measuring what?
You will have to admit that Phase One is taking its upgrade pricing on a sky hike, even if you disagree with all the lamenting over the 119,- ex vat upgrade.
They are clearly willing to leave the non-professional users behind, and are focussing on fashion/advertising professional users, who won't even look at the price tag with a single eye.
It's something to get to grips with, if you have built a large catalogue with CO1 over the last years and cannot stomach the price being driven up for only modest upgrades. Simple truth, no need to argue over this till christmas, you will be paying thousands of euros if you want to keep CO1 running and up to date over the next ten years
Chris0 -
Try that: http://www.inflation.eu/inflation-rates ... -2016.aspx
The shortcut I made was the fact that in low inflation environment any price increases can be considered to be net, or real. Now if your income has been growing by 25% over the last 3 years, then congratulations, but you are probably in minority. 😊
Now I am not necessarily criticising Phase One, after all they are running a business. We all have to make our decisions and justify (or not) the cost of Capture One. For some it is already too much, others will never care because they make money with it. Still, no shame in pointing facts as they are.
Personally, I have paid this year's upgrade but I don't think I will be game to wear 25% annual increases for much longer.0 -
I think they're basically mirroring LR. That'll set you back the same amount on a yearly basis but gets you PS in the mix. If you're interested in that, it's a nice proposition, though probably up for a price hike sooner or later too.
Agreed though that the price hikes have been following each other closely. More closely than I remembered -what can I say, I'm an optimist- but I looked back and paid €69 as recently as April 2014 for an upgrade from Pro 7 to Pro 8. I'm saved by our move to the US -get to pay the same figure in a cheaper US$- although everything else is at least twice the price here in NYC 🙄
Even though I'm not in fashion photography, I think this upgrade is better than the v9 -> v10 one. YMMV.0 -
[quote="PeterO" wrote:
Try that: http://www.inflation.eu/inflation-rates ... -2016.aspx
The shortcut I made was the fact that in low inflation environment any price increases can be considered to be net, or real. Now if your income has been growing by 25% over the last 3 years, then congratulations, but you are probably in minority. 😊
Now I am not necessarily criticising Phase One, after all they are running a business. We all have to make our decisions and justify (or not) the cost of Capture One. For some it is already too much, others will never care because they make money with it. Still, no shame in pointing facts as they are.
Personally, I have paid this year's upgrade but I don't think I will be game to wear 25% annual increases for much longer.
2017 figures are different but even so a country's calculated inflation rate has little or no bearing on the requirements for running a business unless that business happens to be most influenced by exactly the same things as are included in the "basket" of things measured (apparently) to assess the average inflation.
If you look at the product for the "full functionality" version over the same period one might perceive that functionality has increased something like 25 to 30%, albeit not all users can benefit from all of the development work unless they run both Mac and Windows. In addition the number of activations possible for the amount paid was increased by 50% - a terrifc deal .... so long as one can make use of it.
But in the end the cost is a little over about €2 to 2.5 per week. Which is less than the price of a bottle of beer or a glass of wine. Or about the price of 2 bottles of water.
I have no problem at all with people providing feedback to the effect that they are not happy and will be less happy if that trend continues. But some of the reactions have been more than a little over the top and perhaps ignore the free support on offer and a number of other things that are available as useful resources.0 -
[quote="fatihayoglu" wrote:
[quote="NN635299624516976000UL" wrote:
Eight weeks ago (Oct. 6th) I bought version 10. Now I shall pay 140€ to upgrade to 11..... how to lose customers!
1) You can ask PO if they can give you a discount
2) What should PO have done? To give a heads up to everybody saying "folks don't buy our software we will issue a new one soon"
I am in the same situation. I bought Capture 10 Pro on November 2017. I should have wait. I wrote to the support. Not really fair to proceed that way.0
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