1 dx Contrast
Shooting with the 1 Dx today and the contrast of the files seemed extreme! Anyone else noticed that?
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uh oh, are you serious? I am working with that camera for 2 days next week. Is it a ICC Profile issue? I can't be having ultra-contrasty photos ingesting and showing up on screen.
What was your solution?0 -
Just reset the Icc and build one you like using a test frame & save it.
The 1Dx is a great step forward, and when tethering is offered then even better!0 -
I thought we can tether in 6.4.3 Can we, or not, tether the Canon 1 Dx ? 0 -
[quote="dale11833" wrote:
I thought we can tether in 6.4.3 Can we, or not, tether the Canon 1 Dx ?
Yes, although note that both raw and tether support are marked as preliminary for this model in the release notes.0 -
Unfortunately I dont have access to the files at the moment and we didnt shoot a comparison with a 5d 2 or 3 (too many shots too little time). We did tether all day with 6.4.3 but between every shot when the camera went to sleep I had to restart C1 or it wouldn't tether back up. Shot a lot at 1250iso and it looked good sharper than the 5d-2 but grainier (more like nikon grain which looks like grain not noise) which I like and add to files whenever I'm allowed... hehe..
When I get a free week day I'm going to shoot some serious tests because its an amazingly fast camera.0 -
I had no contrast issues with the 1 dx today. My icc was "no color correction". 0 -
Cool i'll check that out, didnt think to try that. 0 -
[quote="dale11833" wrote:
I had no contrast issues with the 1 dx today. My icc was "no color correction".
Note that this is an 'empty' profile, intended for creating profiles or special purposes. Basically is does do nothing. If it works for you, its fine, but this can't be the (final) solution.0 -
I like it because it adds another layer of color control. I am not subjected to a "color profile". It has it's place. 0 -
Yeah it strips allot of color out and from there I made a profile that works for what was shot but the default profile still needs work.
Strangely the raw numbers even with the empty profile are very different to those of "other" raw converters. I know each engine treats files differently but havent ever noticed such wildly different numbers.
I'm going to reload the OS on one of my laptops over the weekend and see if that changes things because my local (canon) rep suggests that one of their clients never saw these problems on system with full clean install.0 -
Hi
Here are my findings after a full day yesterday testing raw files from my 1DX into Capture One 6.4.3.
Using the Canon generic ICC profile currently in C1 6.4.3, I continued to get over contrasty, green-cast rendered thumbnails and processed files.
Changing the ICC to "no color correction" in the ICC setting box, there was a great improvement in the over-contrast issue and there was no green cast but there was a significant dip in saturation. Comparing it to my current reference for 1DX Raw files which is Adobe Camera Raw (with all settings set "flat"), the raw files in C1 6.4.3 tagged with "no color correction" required approximately plus 50 on the Saturation slider to be similar to what I was seeing in Adobe Camera Raw and Canon's DPP.
Also, there was far more detail in the highlights with Adobe Camera Raw compared to the "no color correction" C1 raws and overall it became clear that we still need to wait for PhaseOne to produce a correct set of profiles and fixes for the 1DX (which they have assured us they are on with.)
Yesterday confirmed that for me, Adobe Camera Raw currently produces the best quality and accurate raw file handling for the 1DX.
I don't know if this helps but:
Test details were:
Canon 1DX set on Picture Style Neutral with Zeiss Distagon 21mm f2.8 lens
Macbook Pro 2012 (not Retina) 8Gb, Mountain Lion 10.8.1, Capture One 6.4.3, Adobe CS6
Tests were done both tethered and importing from card.
X-Rite Color Checker card in all images.
All flash lighting for consistency.
Regards, Ian (Manchester, UK)0 -
Just want to jump in here and remind everyone that the 1DX is in "Preliminary" support.
We are aware it needs improvement and will do so in a future release.0 -
Yes,
The saturation decreases and so does the contrast. You just dial it back in. What about using levels to create more detail in the highlights. ?
I am curious,
What are your thoughts on the file quality of the 1 dx vs the 5dmark II and mark III? I love the 1dx, but it's pricey.0 -
i got my 1dx around end June and at the 1st week and 2nd week i had no problem to convert and fix the raw file by using capture one 6.4.3. (i use mac) and the OS is 10.7.4....
starting from last week i sudden could not use the c1 6.4.3 to read and run the raw file created by my canon 1dx, the c1 system runs slow and system will be no response and i am in a big headache on working for the adobe raw file from 1dx by using c1 6.4.3.
Can you please try to improve this and release new version to fix the problem mentioned?? Really sit o fire now for this issue......
Luck Tseng0 -
Hi, How do you make a custom profile. I love my new 1dx(which i got last week, and don't want to move to Lightroom. 0 -
[quote="dale11833" wrote:
Yes,
The saturation decreases and so does the contrast. You just dial it back in. What about using levels to create more detail in the highlights. ?
I am curious,
What are your thoughts on the file quality of the 1 dx vs the 5dmark II and mark III? I love the 1dx, but it's pricey.
Not entirely answering your question, compared to the 1ds mk3, 1dx files seem to have more "pop" and I'm finding they are requiring a lot less PP.
I'm pleased I bought one 😄0 -
1Dx support in Capture One 6.4.3 is preliminary... we will be improving the contrast and color in a future update. 0 -
I am finding the 1Dx to be far more contrasty, saturated and sharp compared to the 1Ds mk3 With all settings equal other than using the Phase recommended generic ICC for each camera. I have also noticed the greenish to yellow color cast others have mentioned. 0 -
Same here with the green/yellow cast, really struggled this morning with some portraits, eventually got it right.... 0 -
I've updated the OP with some examples so hopefully he can verify the fix but we've updated the 1Dx render and will implement the new profiles in the next release. It will be available shortly.
Thank you all for your patience.0 -
Yep it looks great. Look forward to reprocessing 8 jobs worth of files 😂 0 -
Please find the Updated version of Capture One at the link below;
http://www.phaseone.com/en/Downloads/CaptureOne.aspx
Canon 1Dx support is now finalized.0 -
Well Folks,
Has this fixed it for you?
I'm still not sure.
Have to play some more.
Gonna shoot a color_checker and see.
Comments?
Paul0 -
[quote="Paul811" wrote:
Has this fixed it for you?
Yes, the new ICC for the 1Dx included in 6.4.4 is a huge step in the right direction. I consider this ICC to be workable. The old one, not so much.
One thing we needed to accept is that this sensor seems to behave very differently from what we were used to in the 1Ds mk3.0 -
My opinion of this camera is still mixed. While I havent had time to do direct tests between 1dx and 5d2 or 3, my feeling is that 5d's files are nicer. 0 -
[quote="Paul811" wrote:
Well Folks,
Has this fixed it for you?
I'm still not sure.
Have to play some more.
Gonna shoot a color_checker and see.
Comments?
Paul
Hi
There's work still to be done in my opinion, I'm not getting acceptable results from any raw files from my 1DX into C1 Pro 6.4.4. I currently have a Support Case open which details issues I am still having after a full day testing, including shooting Color Checker cards. I have sent them a raw file from the 1DX to test for themselves.
The 1DX does seem to be delivering a different file when compared to the 1DS Mk3 and 1DS Mk2 (which both had very similar looking raws straight from the camera.)
However, raw files from 1DX into Adobe Camera Raw v7.1 look much more "right", straight out of the camera.
When comparing the same raw in C1 Pro 6.4.4 and ACR 7.1, with no adjustments made, files in C1 are a little more saturated and very blown out in highlights. Also, the colour looks slightly off in C1, it's hard to pin it down but it just doesn't give you confidence.
I have much more confidence in ACR's handling of the 1DX files and I have been happily using it on jobs for the last two months.
Here are some details:
MacBook Pro Non Retina 2012, 8Gb Ram, 10.7.4 OSX
MacPro Dual Quad Core 2.8 Intel Xeon, 8Gb Ram, 10.7.4 OSX
Settings on 1DX:
Picture Style: Neutral
Highlight Tone Priority: Off
WB: Daylight
Both ACR and C1 Mode/White Bal set to "As Shot." No other adjustments made.
I hope we have a solution in the next release, I'm sure Phase One are working on it for us.
Regards, Ian (UK)0 -
[quote="ianmac" wrote:
There's work still to be done in my opinion...I hope we have a solution in the next release, I'm sure Phase One are working on it for us.
The 1Dx file support in Capture One 6.4.4 is considered final. If you feel that the results are still not satisfactory please provide examples through a support case. Specific color chart images under controlled conditions would be best so that we can eliminate any subjective concerns regarding the color render.0 -
Hi Drew
Thanks for your reply.
I mentioned in my first paragraph I have already opened a Support Case and I have sent them a raw file from the Canon 1DX for testing out.
Regards, Ian0
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