Golbal adjustement reset - Alt key
Hello,
I am used to take advantage of the reset/alt key combination for each adjustment (Color Editor, Curve, etc...). It is very useful to see what your are actually doing.
Would it make sense to implement the same function for the global adjustment reset button ?
Regards
I am used to take advantage of the reset/alt key combination for each adjustment (Color Editor, Curve, etc...). It is very useful to see what your are actually doing.
Would it make sense to implement the same function for the global adjustment reset button ?
Regards
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Yes it would, I think that would be useful. Currently I have to hit reset then cmmnd+z to undo the reset. Even better would be a before/after button like every other piece of editing software in the world 😉 0 -
If I have made, say, 6 different levels of edit (and given that I have no expectation of my RAW file being the basis for a final interpretation) which "before" should the button choose? 0 -
Yes I understand where your coming from but...
The defaults at import, again like every other piece of software. You may not find this useful but many people do and want this functionality. In fact LR has an edit history which would be a great addition to CO. Then you could do a before and after on your 6 levels of adjustments 😉0 -
One workaround is to create a new variant to compare with - or if you want to be able to compare after some adjustments and before others, clone a variant at whatever stage you want and compare against that.
Ian0 -
[quote="sizzlingbadger" wrote:
Yes I understand where your coming from but...
The defaults at import, again like every other piece of software. You may not find this useful but many people do and want this functionality. In fact LR has an edit history which would be a great addition to CO. Then you could do a before and after on your 6 levels of adjustments 😉
I have other software that does that in great detail and the history is, in my opinion, entirely useless 99.9% of the time.
Unless you can set a tag point as a reference to go back to seeing 20 consecutive entries that say "Exposure Adjustment" has no useful meaning whatsoever in most cases.
Add a couple of styles, each of which make a number of individual changes, and you have to know where to go back to to back out of it. In fact if you have used the Style as a basis for your own adjustments its questionable whether going back gets you anywhere.
In the end I realised that my marker tags were the equivalent of saving a version of the image - basically the same as a variant in Capture One. Once I got into the habit if making the versions at useful points in the edit process the button for "Show Original" became very redundant.
In Capture One all you have to do is "Create New Variant" - what's that, two keys or two clicks instead of one click? Than one key to toggle between the two? Instant visibility of any variant that was worth keeping too. And it is existing functionality.
Is a "Show Original" button really worth the diversion of development resource and the subsequent maintenance and testing every time there is a new release? It's not as if it is functionality that is entirely lacking by any possible means. Far from it. In my personal opinion "Show Original" button belongs back in the days of basic editors when everyone worked with jpgs and didn't do much with them before overwriting them with the altered versions.
I may be wrong but as far as I can tell C1 is constantly recalculating in order to show us the latest version of our images. So to "Show Original" it would either need to read the original and then recalculate each time we toggled or create (and keep for efficiency and speed) a copy of the original somewhere in memory, but with things like the Process settings applied to it. Or, to put it another way, keep a perpetual copy of the Original as a Variant - just as we can choose to do today when it seems to be important.
The need for an extra button escapes me. In fact the more I think about it the further the need escapes.
But hey, if Phase want to accept the coding effort and the future maintenance in order to satisfy another tick box "me to" requirement based on popular requests lodged through the Support Case mechanism that would be entirely their decision. The button alone will almost certainly then result in "this is entirely useless unless it also understands what I meant by "original" ....." comments and will become a long term development burden having little or no real purpose given that the need can already be fully satisfied.
My (extended) thoughts on the subject for what they are worth.
Grant0 -
Yes I know about variants and I use them myself. A temporary reset would not be hard to code and "some people" would like that functionality even if you don't 😉 0 -
[quote="SFA" wrote:
If I have made, say, 6 different levels of edit (and given that I have no expectation of my RAW file being the basis for a final interpretation) which "before" should the button choose?
In Aperture if you press the "M" key, the image is reset to the "master status". This is exactly the RAW interpretation of the OS X core image engine, the same you can see when you open a RAW file with the finder in Quick View or Preview.
I don't know if C1 has something similar, but that's the one.0 -
A consistent and simple interpretation of that "global adjustment reset" could be: "Just do the same as if I would press the "alt-key" on any single adjustment undo icon. I don't think that it is important to show any kind of "normalized" RAW interpretation. It just means "show me the image in current adjustment default settings" - which actually should be the same look I see when I create a new variant.
Much more important would be to have checkboxes instead of alt/option-Klicking und the Undo-Icon!0 -
[quote="sizzlingbadger" wrote:
Yes I know about variants and I use them myself. A temporary reset would not be hard to code and "some people" would like that functionality even if you don't 😉
Well, using windows you can hit F7 and then alternate left and right arrows to switch between the edit version and the original. Delete the "Original" variant when done if concerned about it.
I assume there is something similar for Mac.
So it is already coded if people wish to use it.
Grant0 -
[quote="SFA" wrote:
Well, using windows you can hit F7 and then alternate left and right arrows to switch between the edit version and the original. Delete the "Original" variant when done if concerned about it.
So it is already coded if people wish to use it.
Nah, not really. You are actually creating a new variant not only temporary but physically inside the database, which you then have to manually delete again. The before/after "switch" in Aperture using the "M" key is completely happening in memory, without any data transaction.
I could imagine that the C1 catalog will be defragmenting more and more if you do this a lot of times, not the best solution given the absolutely terrible performance of C1's SQL database at current state. That this also requires an additional manual step is a further handicap.0
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