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419 of 424 selected (filtered) - Where are the rest?

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I am running Capture One Pro 11.0.1 64-bit in the session mode. All adjusted photos are tagged with orange.

When a folder is opened from C1, under the Filters tool tab, there were 424 items under the orange tag. Once all photos are loaded, I pressed Selected All key (Ctrl+A). On the top of the browser, it shows 419 of 424 selected (filtered). What happened to the rest of 5 photos?
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  • SFA
    Any images with more than one edit variant?
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  • Permanently deleted user
    [quote="SFA" wrote:
    Any images with more than one edit variant?


    There is one, with the primary variant tagged and secondary not. If the second variant is tagged, the number showing becomes 420 of 425 selected (filtered). There were no other variants.

    I found two more but the number still does not add up. By the way is there a way to search for variants , or to show variants only?
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  • Ian Wilson
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    In the library tab, under Filters, if any filters are in force, you can see a little x in the Search field. (It isn't there if there are no filters). So you could either just clear it if it is there, or scroll down through the filters and see what it is.

    Ian
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  • Ian Wilson
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    Also in Capture One speak, they are all variants, even if there is only one of them for an image. But you might find this helpful in answer to your question.

    (Don't worry that it dates from v9, when the feature was introduced.)

    Ian
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Thank you for link and explanation of variants. I have been using variants for quite some time since V9 and I thought the discrepancy could be caused by primary and secondary variants being separated by filters. However, even with filters all cleared and all variants selected, the number of selected is still less than the total. This is true on most folders except ones with very few images. If the section is inversed (Edit, Invert Selection), the rest are selected but not visible.

    [MYSTERY SOLVED]
    I finally found the cause by processing those "hidden" variants. As it turned out, variants were collapsed which caused non-primary variants to be hidden, out of view and out of selection (except by selection inversion).

    It is confusing to call all images variants. Only non-primary variants should be called that. A search variant function should also be implemented to locate those non-primary variants to avoid confusion like this. Would you agree?
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  • Ian Wilson
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    [quote="Nelson1" wrote:
    It is confusing to call all images variants.[/b] Only non-primary variants should be called that. A search variant function should also be implemented to locate those non-primary variants to avoid confusion like this. Would you agree?

    I wouldn't agree, mostly because I have been using Capture One for quite some years now (since version 4) and I am used to it. I think it may be confusing to new users, but you soon get the hang of the way Capture One works, and the terminology it uses. I would probably find difficulty at first with the terminology other apps use. (Virtual copies in Lightroom, is it?)

    Ian
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  • HansB
    About the use of 'variants' in CO:


    • All images in your browser strip are 'variants'.

    • The one that is highlighted and you are currently adjusting is the 'primary variant'. Regardless of '1', '2', or whatever number is assigned. It can be part of a multiple selection.

    • The variant '1' is the highest promoted variant of all variants of that raw image. It is not the 'primary variant' of that raw image.

    • You can promote and demote variants to sort/arrange their sequence.

    • You can set a 'compare' variant to ease comparing while browsing through your images.



    Regards,
    Hans
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  • SFA
    [quote="Nelson1" wrote:


    It is confusing to call all images variants. Only non-primary variants should be called that. A search variant function should also be implemented to locate those non-primary variants to avoid confusion like this. Would you agree?


    See my question above.

    It's potentially confusing, to at least some degree, until the way you work with C1 starts to embrace multiple variations of edits of a single image on a regular basis.

    At that point as you start working with the edit variants the approach adopted will become familiar enough that the terminology matters less. Much less.

    Whether you like the approach and end up feeling comfortable with it is another matter. I do but I know others like it less even when they are familiar with it.

    People operate and think differently.

    Despite some years of working from time to time with Photoshop like applications I still cannot get on with the nuances of how they work. Anything other than the most basic functions never work for me. Some years ago I spent several weeks along with 2 others trying to get to grips with how PS did what it did. We read guide books and the help information and everything we could find at the time and still could not see how it should be used to do what one of the other guys wanted to do.

    I was using something else, more C1 like, at the time and was happy with it for then so I never did break the challenge of learning PS. It just does not fit easily with my brain I guess.


    Grant
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  • Permanently deleted user
    [quote="Ian3" wrote:
    [quote="Nelson1" wrote:
    It is confusing to call all images variants.[/b] Only non-primary variants should be called that. A search variant function should also be implemented to locate those non-primary variants to avoid confusion like this. Would you agree?

    I wouldn't agree, mostly because I have been using Capture One for quite some years now (since version 4) and I am used to it. I think it may be confusing to new users, but you soon get the hang of the way Capture One works, and the terminology it uses. I would probably find difficulty at first with the terminology other apps use. (Virtual copies in Lightroom, is it?)

    Ian


    I have been working with Capture One since version Rebel and V3. I am not familiar with LR. I create second or third "variants" all the time. Internally I think them as versions.

    I love the variants concept but would like to be able to find ones with more than just the primary variant. Is there a tool in C1 to locate and highlight all non-primary variants?
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  • Permanently deleted user
    [quote="HansB" wrote:
    About the use of 'variants' in CO:


    • All images in your browser strip are 'variants'.

    • The one that is highlighted and you are currently adjusting is the 'primary variant'. Regardless of '1', '2', or whatever number is assigned. It can be part of a multiple selection.

    • The variant '1' is the highest promoted variant of all variants of that raw image. It is not the 'primary variant' of that raw image.

    • You can promote and demote variants to sort/arrange their sequence.

    • You can set a 'compare' variant to ease comparing while browsing through your images.



    Regards,
    Hans


    Hans,
    Thank you for the explanation. I consider myself a veteran user of C1. I started from C1 Rebel in 2004, upgraded to C1 SE at V3.5 and moved up to C1 Pro V3.7 in 2005.

    I use variants in edits all the time and love the concept. But in my mind only ones with secondaries are variants.

    Calling all images variants is confusing somewhat to me is when a variant (image) has no secondary. It is like calling all kids/children siblings or twins. A child without a brother or sister would not have any siblings. A child who does not have a sibling would not be called a twin. I feel a variant is a variation of the original. An original without variations is not a variant.

    Philosophical issues aside, I never had the need to find those hidden (collapsed) variants until recently when I started using filters and with all selected the count did not reflect the total. It would be nice to have a tool to find the next variant with variations so it can tagged or expanded.
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  • John Doe
    The first variant is CO's interpretation of the RAW data + your own personal adjustments. It's not an « original ». The original is the RAW file itself.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    [quote="John Doe" wrote:
    The first variant is CO's interpretation of the RAW data + your own personal adjustments. It's not an « original ». The original is the RAW file itself.


    I read about that on the online help and understand the reasoning. I am OK with that. However what would you call the first variant with secondary variant(s)? I would like to search for that one and one after that but there is no way to do that in C1.
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