macOS Sierra compatibility
Hi all,
As Apple will be announcing today the release date of macOS Sierra, I was wondering if anybody has tested the beta versions of the software with CO 9.2.1.
Have you seen any problem? I remember with El Capitan, there were many issues regarding to the compatibility.
Many thanks,
Fatih
As Apple will be announcing today the release date of macOS Sierra, I was wondering if anybody has tested the beta versions of the software with CO 9.2.1.
Have you seen any problem? I remember with El Capitan, there were many issues regarding to the compatibility.
Many thanks,
Fatih
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It's usually been the advice to wait updating OSX until Phase One have brought out an update that they say is compatible with the new OS. So tempting though it is, it's best to wait until you that all the apps you rely on work with the update.
Ian0 -
It's also wise to wait to upgrade until at least the first update to a new OS. I've learned to generally wait for the .3 release as I've wearied of being an OS beta tester.
But if you're really in a hurry, you could clone your startup volume, upgrade it to Sierra, and then test the apps you rely on.0 -
It's disappointing that Phase One appears to take no steps to establish the OS-compatibility of C1P during new OS beta programmes, but instead chooses to wait until public release - meaning users cannot take advantage of a new OS until PO is good and ready.
This lack of pro-activity smacks of arrogance, I reckon, and is one of the key reasons I cannot move to C1P.0 -
[quote="W.W. Webster" wrote:
It's disappointing that Phase One appears to take no steps to establish the OS-compatibility of C1P during new OS beta programmes, but instead chooses to wait until public release - meaning users cannot take advantage of a new OS until PO is good and ready.
This lack of pro-activity smacks of arrogance, I reckon, and is one of the key reasons I cannot move to C1P.
But surely the point of an OS being in beta is that it may yet change, and that may wreck the compatibility of any app with the release version of the OS.
Also, I don't know for sure, but I imagine that Phase One and others start work on developing compatibility with new versions of Windows and OSX while the new OS is in beta, but they would be taking a huge risk to release an update based on the beta and not on the final product.
Companies like Microsoft and Apple have gargantuan resources and can put huge amounts of money and staff time into development of an OS. Smaller companies like Phase One, or many other developers of apps, don't. I think it is unreasonable to expect most software companies to match MS and Apple stride-for-stride. They cannot so readily afford to re-engineer a new release of their app if the OS beta results in last minute changes.
I have updated to every version of OSX since Mountain Lion which is what I started with. But fun though it is to get the latest, I am not going to be in a hurry to update to Sierra. I will want to wait until I am confident that all the apps I rely on (not just Capture One) will work with it.
For many photographers, being able to rely on their software to do its job is vital, especially for those who make their living from photography (not including me, though). Prudent practice would seem to me to involve not updating hastily if what you have works. I don't see where the arrogance comes in - surely in waiting until they are confident that an app will work with a new OS before they release a version that is declared to be compatible with it, Phase One and other developers are acting more responsibly to the customers who rely on their products.
Ian0 -
[quote="W.W. Webster" wrote:
It's disappointing that Phase One appears to take no steps to establish the OS-compatibility of C1P during new OS beta programmes, but instead chooses to wait until public release - meaning users cannot take advantage of a new OS until PO is good and ready.
This lack of pro-activity smacks of arrogance, I reckon, and is one of the key reasons I cannot move to C1P.
Every year is the same story..... without fail. People stop complaining. There is nothing earth shattering in Sierra. If you wait a couple of months in upgrading your life will not be in shambles. Stop complaining!! Phase one is of course working with the beta, and eventually will release an appropriate upgrade. Apple changes many things around before the final release so it makes no sense at all to release an upgrade before final product is released! it has been said here countless of time.
Don't want to move to C1P? go to LR as it crashes just as well on Sierra 😄
Stop whining!!!!
It just went GM yesterday0 -
New OS same discussion.
This has been said before so many time before and I am quite baffled about the heated discussion for something that is the same story every time.
Yes we start development of a compatible version if Capture One when a new Mac OS beta is announced / available for the developer network.
Apple changes many things during the beta phase so we can not ensure compatibility until final release of a new Mac OS is done.
Depending on how much has changed between the last beta and the final release determines the amount of time it takes for compatible version of Capture One to be released.0 -
The only reason I personally could imagine wanting to go to a new OS immediately upon release is if I "had" to buy a new machine and it required the new OS. So far that hasn't ever happened. In fact, I've been able to postpone buying new machines until at least the .3 release of an OS. In the meantime, I keep track of reported bugs/conflicts/etc. so my migrations go smoothly.
Seems to me that P1 isn't the only important developer who waits for the official OS release before releasing "certified compatible" versions of software. If I remember correctly, Adobe's done that several times, as have FileMaker (an Apple subsidiary) and a number of others. I certainly won't knock P1 for waiting until the official release, but I'd expect them to be fairly prompt in releasing a compatible update.
Again, if you really really really want to upgrade to the new OS on Day 1, simply create a clone of your drive with Carbon Copy Cloner, SuperDuper! or a similar app and test the compatibility yourself. I've been doing that for many years and have saved myself a lot of grief through "test discovery" rather than "real world discovery".0 -
Guys, I am sorry I have started this thread. PO team, please accept my apologies as well.
My question was simply if anybody has tested to see if there is compatibility issue, not because I really wanted to upgrade to Sierra or thinking that my life will change with it. One think to those who are saying "you wont die if you dont upgrade for few months", I am sure you know that every new upgrade supposedly to solve some stability issue, not necessarily bringing the new features, plus some added security. So I think upgrading as soon as possible is important once you are sure you are good to go with your other programs. I am quite sure there are some of us who will be tempted to upgrade so by asking and having a definitive answer I was planning to have a guide for them.
Let's not forget that when El Capital has been launched, all the Office applications were not working and Microsoft had to issue a fix for them. So even MS has had the problem so I do not expect PO wont.
So please accept my apologies for this thread again.
Many thanks,
Fatih0 -
These comments also apply to Microsoft - Windows 10 over the past year, Office suite challenges from one release to the next and, of course, changes to the development tools underlying all the code too.
So many third party vendors need to make their wares compatible too - device drivers and so on.
All of these things are part of the process called agile development.
The big players do what they feel they need to do for things to progress but leave it to the smaller players to pick up the pieces for their customers and at their direct costs (both financial and resources).
On balance and for most people the result are no worse than back in the days of "big iron" and closed development environments. Indeed the results may be better and the fiscal "hit" simply absorbed in the way the market works.
The other end of the life cycle (for hardware mainly) is perhaps just as much of a concern as "stuff" becomes unsupportable.
No big deal if you want to compose a letter. Somewhat more of a concern if you need to process files from some form of device that itself has changing formats and technology (e.g. cameras). Or maybe non-changing technology (e.g. scanners).
Grant0 -
I have been running it since Beta 1 and it just workes
i think the biggest this is Siri not else like update Open CL0 -
The big guys often don't do a great job on the SW they release, especially the early versions. Most of my computers are still on OSX 10.10, and actually I'd be quite happy if they were still on 10.9. I have one machine on OSX 10.11.6, and even at the 6th release OSX El Capitan still has bugs in it. For example, if you move a secure note or an application password from one keychain to another OSX will destroy the information without notifying you.
It will naturally take time for PhaseOne to thoroughly test COP against OSX 10.12 even as Apple provides a moving target by continually updating 10.12.
My biggest wish is that the next version, COP 10, continues to support OSX 10.10, so that I am not forced to update a nice stable operating system to some more modern less stable version.0 -
I work since 1 month in production with Sierra and no crash (no more than with El Capitan ....) 0 -
Capture Integration has been doing some macOS Sierra testing and says this about known incompatibilities on their blog:
https://captureintegration.com/macos-si ... blic-beta/0 -
Oh gosh—they're pointing out USB connection issues. I sure hope Apple isn't messing around with the USB stack again like they did in 10.10. My Delkin USB3 card reader started corrupting cards in Yosemite (and lots of people reported USB3 hub issues), and proper functionality wasn't restored until El Capitan (I moved from 10.10 straight to 10.11.5).
Since my system is working fine now, I don't see any reason to jump to Sierra and am perfectly willing to wait until C1's been properly qualified on that OS. Other than perhaps security updates or maybe a critical application that needs Sierra when it launches (I'm unaware of any of these), I see no reason to be an early adopter.0 -
Based on previous releases that Sierra will become stable and relatively bug free around 10.12.5 In the meantime, 10.11.6 and 10.10.5 are quite functional and stable. 0 -
Compatibility to the new OS is one thing, the OS itself another.
Apple usually fixes the issues of the last OS in the new one. Or should I say: replaces them with new issues? But that's the same with all of them, not just Apple.
From my personal experience, Apple needs at least a OS.3 just to operate simple USB disks without randomly stating 'Disk was not ejected properly'. One more to have reliable tethering. Not only with CO, but with any software I'm using. Ever since my very 1st Mac OS upgrade, which was Snow Leopard. And it sounds like Sierra does it again.
This time, I'm not looking forward for this OS. I don't need Siri, and I'm not looking for more cloud. In addition, Sierra discontinues half of my hardware.
So I hope Phase One will continue to support at least El Cap in their next releases.
Regards,
Hans0 -
Appel is more busy adding Siri and unlock you screen with I watch and have anything on the iCloud
I made the move in the hope that there would be more speed, but no luck
in fact I found more bugs then El Capitan with other apps
I can't see why CO1 will not run on El Capitan for the next 3-4 versions
Henrik0 -
I think Phase One's dilemma is that they would like to be able to COP to new Mac owners relatively soon, and new Macs will soon, or already, come with Sierra installed. 0 -
Aperture (from 1.0) failed to function every time I upgraded a Mac OS. It was fixable, but just goes to show that even in-house, OS compatibility is problematic.
Also, I generally don't upgrade an OS until I pretty much have to. I can't recall a single compelling feature in any recent Mac OS that made me want to upgrade immediately.0 -
Hmm, I don't understand the whole discussion. The official Sierra isn't even released now (should be by today) but everybody knows what's wrong and what not.
I have installed the Sierra GM and am working for a little more than a week now and have no problems so far. Photo Mechanic, LR and CO9 are doing well so far. Despite this I just got a mail that CO 9.3 is out today, and so is a new LR.0 -
[quote="BobRockefeller" wrote:
Capture Integration has been doing some macOS Sierra testing and says this about known incompatibilities on their blog:
https://captureintegration.com/macos-si ... blic-beta/
I can't understand why you post an article from July 8th? We have September and many release circles and GM later...0
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