Love CO but I am desperately waiting for a heal tool
I have said that already many times...
CO7 is a great software .... beside some performances issues I truly love it!!
The only major problem for me, is that when dealing with portraits you need to have tool to have a minimum of retouch work
Last week I had a multiple portrait session with about 900 images and i must confess that at the end i have used LR5 to do my edits since i didn't feel like to export every images to Photoshop to remove bugs under eyes and to fix straight hair ☹️
While I like the softening skin effect you get using local negative clarity its really frustrating not be able to have a good heal tool !!
I beg you... please add a heal tool (something similar to those you find in Aperture or Lightroom)
for portrait photographer this is a game changer!
Thanks for listening
Ettore
CO7 is a great software .... beside some performances issues I truly love it!!
The only major problem for me, is that when dealing with portraits you need to have tool to have a minimum of retouch work
Last week I had a multiple portrait session with about 900 images and i must confess that at the end i have used LR5 to do my edits since i didn't feel like to export every images to Photoshop to remove bugs under eyes and to fix straight hair ☹️
While I like the softening skin effect you get using local negative clarity its really frustrating not be able to have a good heal tool !!
I beg you... please add a heal tool (something similar to those you find in Aperture or Lightroom)
for portrait photographer this is a game changer!
Thanks for listening
Ettore
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I feel very much the same way
We badly need to get a good heal tool in Capture One
....somehow today Capture One is a different beast and is now competing on a much wider range of functionality
4 years ago would have been normal but in 2013 the time to export and edit to Photoshop each image for basic beauty retouch its over..
So I will stick with Lightroom and wait to see what Phase One will do
Cheers
Julie0 -
[quote="NNN635022403475152212" wrote:
I have said that already many times...
I had a multiple portrait session with about 900 images and i must confess that at the end i have used LR5 to do my edits since i didn't feel like to export every images to Photoshop to remove bugs under eyes and to fix straight hair ☹️
While I like the softening skin effect you get using local negative clarity its really frustrating not be able to have a good heal tool !!
Ettore
For this exact reason I am now using Adobe Lr 5;
it is a huge pain not to be able to do small retouch.
but what a pity:
image quality in C1 7 is clear superior to any other software i know and skin tone are just superb !0 -
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I use a mix of Photoshop and Lightroom.
A Heal tool is badly needed.
Since I use Lightroom for my cataloguing it is an easy step to have it do other things even though I would rather use CO Pro the catalogs there are dire and in Express to be forced to use them when the simpler solution of Sessions that works makes the product even weaker.
Two suggestions.
1. Put the development effort in to get Catalogs working as a top product
2. Admit that it is a weak effort and allow users to have both Sessions and Catalogs in Pro and Express solutions.0 -
image quality in C1 7 is clear superior to any other software i know and skin tone are just superb !
I hear this a lot but have yet to see much evidence to support it. I use CO, Lightroom and Aperture. I can pretty much the same results out of all three, with the exception of lens corrections and noise reduction in Aperture as that has fallen behind in those areas.
CO gives better skin tones but Lightroom gives me better landscape colours and shadow detail, they all have strengths and weaknesses. The biggest weakness is usually the end user not understanding how the tools work when they try to compare them 😊0 -
[quote="sizzlingbadger" wrote:
image quality in C1 7 is clear superior to any other software i know and skin tone are just superb !
I hear this a lot but have yet to see much evidence to support it. I use CO, Lightroom and Aperture. I can pretty much the same results out of all three, with the exception of lens corrections and noise reduction in Aperture as that has fallen behind in those areas.
CO gives better skin tones but Lightroom gives me better landscape colours and shadow detail, they all have strengths and weaknesses. The biggest weakness is usually the end user not understanding how the tools work when they try to compare them 😊
Well not really....
Out of my experience with Aperture and Lr 5:
CO 7 vs Aperture
Much,much better shadow recovery!
Better noise reduction
Better details out of the box (default setting)
CO 7 vs Lr 5
Better skin tone
Better details out of the box (default setting)
Equal noise reduction (default setting gives to CO slightly less noise and to Lr slightly more details)
All my conclusion are from working on raw files of Canon cameras (1DX, 5D mk II and 5D mk III)
Obviously there is non comparison doing skin retouch, Aperture and Lr are vastly superior!!!0 -
Ok, lets go the other way.
Aperture vs CO7
Almost every adjustment can have a mask, and I believe up to 5 of everything allowed, so you can have up to 5 levels, 5 curves, 5 sharpening, 5 color adjustments ....., CO7 10 layers and limited selection, i.e. no Levels, no curves on a layer.
(White balance, and Exposure are currently the only ones that would be nice to be able to brush in.)
Healing brush, CO7 dust and just a spot.
LR vs C07
Adjustment Brush, unlimited, CO7 10 layers
Healing brush, C07 just dust and spot.
CO7 is great if you want to use it as mainly a raw converter, and push out to another program for any kind of editing. Even that is more of a pain then it needs to be, as you then have to re-import the exported file, (Yes I do like the catalog, though it is all with referenced files), why not a check box to say import exported file. Or like the other programs, they automatically do it if you say "EDIT" in external program, but not if you do an export. Make sense to me.
Now, I use all 3 tools, currently in CO7 then Aperture and last LR4 (Have not upgraded as it is the least used).
As I have switched from an older Leaf back to Hasselblad, CO7 is going to be dropped, as it (I expected it) does not seem to support hasselblad either 3fr, fff or converted to DNG files, which the other 2 support all formats with no problems.
Robert0 -
[quote="PhaseoneUser55657" wrote:
CO7 is great if you want to use it as mainly a raw converter, and push out to another program for any kind of editing. Even that is more of a pain then it needs to be, as you then have to re-import the exported file
This is why we need the CO team to hurry and implementing a clone and heal tool
I am so,so tired to export to PS and reimport to CO just to fix a lipstick spot or an eye bug 🤬
Ettore0 -
[quote="NNN635022403475152212" wrote:
Equal noise reduction (default setting gives to CO slightly less noise and to Lr slightly more details)
LR doesn't apply any noise reduction by default you have to add it manually or by making default settings based on ISO. CO makes NR settings based on ISO by default which is actually quite nice.
CO also adds more sharpening and clarity than LR by default. The initial images in CO do look better but with tweaks in LR I can get very similar results.
LR has better highlight recovery and shadow detail. LR tends to over-expose my images and has some crappy colours sometimes too, but it never crashes. The exposure tools in take some time to learn to use properly but when you have mastered them they are pretty powerful.
Apertures RAW conversion is lacking these days but its interface and tool set blow both LR & CO away.
Like I said they all have strengths and weaknesses 😊
Put the CO RAW convertor into Aperture and I would be pretty happy 😂0 -
I very much see it the same way, we need to get a good heal tool in Capture One. Having to go to PS for this breaks the workflow; I run into this just about every day. 0 -
Have each and everyone of us put in an enhancement request for this?.
PhaseOne seem to respond to this mode of working much better than reading this forum. 😉0 -
[quote="jknights" wrote:
Have each and everyone of us put in an enhancement request for this?.
PhaseOne seem to respond to this mode of working much better than reading this forum. 😉
Yes, because it will then be a lot easier for us to track the requests this way.0 -
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[quote="Christian Gr" wrote:
[quote="jknights" wrote:
Have each and everyone of us put in an enhancement request for this?.
PhaseOne seem to respond to this mode of working much better than reading this forum. 😉
Yes, because it will then be a lot easier for us to track the requests this way.
this is true...
but in the other hand the CO team should look at all those potential users which really love the colors and details you get from CO but that wouldn't try or consider the switch because of those two fundamental tool missing.....
If you think about portrait,wedding and Fashion photographers need heal&clone more than anyone else and if you consider that Lr and Aperture are offering heal&clone pretty much since their v2..... in my opinion adding those shouldn't only be dependent by the number of requests from CO users....
Thanks for listening
Ettore0 -
[quote="NNN635022403475152212" wrote:
Last week I had a multiple portrait session with about 900 images and i must confess that at the end i have used LR5 to do my edits since i didn't feel like to export every images to Photoshop to remove bugs under eyes and to fix straight hair ☹️
I regret to say that for this exact reason, I am not using Capture One any longer but instead i do all my edits with Lightroom v5
....now its like a dream ....I can do all my wedding retouch without exporting a single photo!!!
hopefully in the near future things will be differnt and I may go back to C1 which by the way i really miss ... 😭
P0 -
I am using LR again now too. CO was just too unstable and I wasn't getting very good colours with Nikon files either. 0 -
Still not a heal and clone tool..... ☹️
...cant really go on with my work like that....
I am tired to export and reimport ... please have look at the competition ...
P0 -
Have you put in an enhancement request ? Unless a lot of people ask for this formally then it wont happen! 0 -
Interesting to see how far Adobe is pushing healing and cloning....
in LR version 4.2 there is and even further improvements with those tools
....I believe Adobe realized that even if there is great integration between Lr and Ps
users which works with large number of photos want to keep everything under one hood
Healing and cloning are the only major editing features missing in Co7 in order to be Ps free 😎
hope Phase One will soon understand how crucial its ..
while waiting I will keep using Lr
Cheers to everyone
Julie0 -
[quote="jknights" wrote:
Have you put in an enhancement request ? Unless a lot of people ask for this formally then it wont happen!
The all point adding clone and healing is not only about the current capture one users but all potential photographers out there which are intrigued by the extraordinary image quality capture one offers
Its about looking around and seeing what the competition its offering!
As an Aperture or Lightroom user, used to do some little cloning and healing here and there,.... how can i consider to switch to capture one if i will have to export to photoshop every single image that needs a little touch up?
I am sorry thats not acceptable ...especially when the implementation between capture one and any pixel editor program is so tedious ☹️
Obviously capture R&D one have realized that they cant survive just being a leading raw converter....
...adding local adjustments, print capability, catalogs, etc., shows that their intention is to compete against the big players out there (Lightroom and Aperture) but i still don't get why after so many years we are dealing with the dust tool ....
Please give us a sign....
SC0 -
[quote="NNN635022403475152212" wrote:
I have said that already many times...
CO7 is a great software .... beside some performances issues I truly love it!!
The only major problem for me, is that when dealing with portraits you need to have tool to have a minimum of retouch work
Last week I had a multiple portrait session with about 900 images and i must confess that at the end i have used LR5 to do my edits since i didn't feel like to export every images to Photoshop to remove bugs under eyes and to fix straight hair ☹️
While I like the softening skin effect you get using local negative clarity its really frustrating not be able to have a good heal tool !!
I beg you... please add a heal tool (something similar to those you find in Aperture or Lightroom)
for portrait photographer this is a game changer!
Thanks for listening
Ettore
I am on the same line
Without Cloning & Healing I can't consider the switch from Adobe Lightroom
.....but I can't deny that I am profoundly tempted0 -
No cloning.. ? no repairing brush..?
How I may supposed do my little retouch on portraiture?
exporting to Photoshop and reimporting to Capture One?
Seriously ??????
Please take my advice and go and look at what you can do with the 4 years old Aperture 3 or with Adobe Lightroom 2,3,4 and 5
Rob0 -
[quote="NNN635160030527962252" wrote:
No cloning.. ? no repairing brush..?
How I may supposed do my little retouch on portraiture?
exporting to Photoshop and reimporting to Capture One?
Seriously ??????
Please take my advice and go and look at what you can do with the 4 years old Aperture 3 or with Adobe Lightroom 2,3,4 and 5
Rob
There is a possibility for spot-removal, which is enough for small areas. We are the first to know its limitations, and we are looking into it.
However we cannot provide any timescale on this.
Best thing you guys is to make your feature requests in a Support Case. This way they get logged officially0 -
[quote="Christian Gr" wrote:
There is a possibility for spot-removal, which is enough for small areas. We are the first to know its limitations, and we are looking into it.
However we cannot provide any timescale on this.
Best thing you guys is to make your feature requests in a Support Case. This way they get logged officially
Thanks for your reply and for giving us hope that you guys are looking in to it !
I just have one thing to comment regarding submitting a feature request....
How many Lightroom or Aperture users would submit a feature request to Phase One?
.... they try the app, they like the app but the find out the a major tool for their workflow is missing ...what do you think they do?
..well,... usually they just quit !
To me the urge to add those features is not primary related the the current Capture One users.... but to all photographers out there that are interested in the software
As i said before i strongly believe that is worth looking at what the competition is doing
Thank you
Rob0 -
let me add - as a professional digital tech & retoucher - among other things - absolutely zero of those in my professional sphere desire this heal tool in C1P. So please keep in mind what you think C1P desperately needs isn't really the case for a large portion of its pro users. Now for years Phase One has been bending over backwards to add copy cat (non-capture relates) features to attract LR and Aperture users. So appreciate C1P for its image quality and that it does have some of the tools offered by LR/AP. And as all software companies feel the need to feature creep to attract more non-pros I'm sure one day you will have what you want. But the majority of imaging professional use Photoshop. I'd prefer if Phase One got back to satisfying its original core group of customers. 0 -
[quote="Edward51" wrote:
let me add - as a professional digital tech & retoucher - among other things - absolutely zero of those in my professional sphere desire this heal tool in C1P. So please keep in mind what you think C1P desperately needs isn't really the case for a large portion of its pro users. Now for years Phase One has been bending over backwards to add copy cat (non-capture relates) features to attract LR and Aperture users. So appreciate C1P for its image quality and that it does have some of the tools offered by LR/AP. And as all software companies feel the need to feature creep to attract more non-pros I'm sure one day you will have what you want. But the majority of imaging professional use Photoshop. I'd prefer if Phase One got back to satisfying its original core group of customers.
Personally I know a lot of pro that do all their editing (including healing and cloning) in Lr and almost never export to PS
....are they producing less good images because they do so ?
No need to say that Ps is by far a more complete and powerful tool for pixel editing but there are people that don't need or desire that much power
Why do you think Adobe Lightroom which by far offers the best integration with Ps
decided to further push the refinement of healing and cloning(which by the way its really amazing!) ??
Why that?
Before we had the Raw conversion first and then the obliged trip to Ps
Aperture and Lr have slowly changed everything
and more and more photographers like to use just one app
Obviously every one has a different opinion about to what extend you should push when doing beauty retouch
Right now Aperture and Lr offer e very efficient and decent way to do so and I think would be wise from Capture One to follow
Those which may not be happy can still export to Ps but for others this will boost enormously the productivity!
Forgive me if i say that if Phase One would follow your mentality we wouldn't have Printing or Local Adjustment or Catalogue!
Today things are really different to what we had 5 years.... and it would be a mistake not to look around
Rob0 -
[quote="NNN635160079456080580" wrote:
Obviously every one has a different opinion about to what extend you should push when doing beauty retouch
Right now Aperture and Lr offer e very efficient and decent way to do so and I think would be wise from Capture One to follow
Those which may not be happy can still export to Ps but for others this will boost enormously the productivity!
Forgive me if i say that if Phase One would follow your mentality we wouldn't have Printing or Local Adjustment or Catalogue!
Rob
You cannot compare the retouching tools available in PS to anything in LR or Aperture. I do it professionally and they are crude compared to PS. Beauty retouching is so much more than clone and healing brushes.
And I would think we would have a better capture software if Phase One didn't have to add features like printing, local adjustments and catalogues.
I think we are talking about completely different types of work. There is a large segment (original users from V3) who want the best tethered capture software than will output the best images quality. That's it.
Then in C1P version 4 & 5 they started to try to attract prosumers by adding LR-like features. And now the prosumers are winning as Phase One already has the pro market.0 -
[quote="Edward51" wrote:
You cannot compare the retouching tools available in PS to anything in LR or Aperture. I do it professionally and they are crude compared to PS. Beauty retouching is so much more than clone and healing brushes.
Ps is where you can do the ultimate beauty retouch and there is not question about hat but I i do photography as my first source of income (..so maybe I am considered to be a pro to..) but i don't use PS any longer !
instead I use Adobe LR with preset which I bought form here http://presetshop.com/products/beauty-b ... g-brushes/
The results are more than satisfying for my Wedding and Editorial works
and the good things is .... I dont have to create a Tiff file and go through PS.... saving time and space[quote="Edward51" wrote:
And I would think we would have a better capture software if Phase One didn't have to add features like printing, local adjustments and catalogues.
i dont really understand why printing or local correction would penalize the current C1 software which has got the best tethering capability in the market and it is still leading with the image quality which is phenomenal ....0 -
[quote="Edward51" wrote:
You cannot compare the retouching tools available in PS to anything in LR or Aperture. I do it professionally and they are crude compared to PS. Beauty retouching is so much more than clone and healing brushes.
Ps is where you can do the ultimate beauty retouch and there is not question about hat but I i do photography as my first source of income (..so maybe I am considered to be a pro to..) but i don't use PS any longer !
instead I use Adobe LR with preset which I bought form here http://presetshop.com/products/beauty-b ... g-brushes/
The results are more than satisfying for my Wedding and Editorial works
and the good things is .... I dont have to create a Tiff file and go through PS.... saving time and space[quote="Edward51" wrote:
And I would think we would have a better capture software if Phase One didn't have to add features like printing, local adjustments and catalogues.
i dont really understand why printing or local correction would penalize the current C1 software which has got the best tethering capability in the market and it is still leading with the image quality which is phenomenal ....0 -
[quote="Edward51" wrote:
So, just remain on the older version that works for you and don't give another thought to any type of improvement.
let me add - as a professional digital tech & retoucher - among other things - absolutely zero of those in my professional sphere desire this heal tool in C1P. So please keep in mind what you think C1P desperately needs isn't really the case for a large portion of its pro users. Now for years Phase One has been bending over backwards to add copy cat (non-capture relates) features to attract LR and Aperture users. So appreciate C1P for its image quality and that it does have some of the tools offered by LR/AP. And as all software companies feel the need to feature creep to attract more non-pros I'm sure one day you will have what you want. But the majority of imaging professional use Photoshop. I'd prefer if Phase One got back to satisfying its original core group of customers.0 -
[quote="DWS" wrote:
So, just remain on the older version that works for you and don't give another thought to any type of improvement.
And if he needs to keep current with camera bodies not supported by 6..?0
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