Some Newbie Questions
Hi there,
I started to use the CaptureOne Pro for Sony software only recently and I am getting more and more used to it. Using this under Windows it is sometimes difficult to access some of the commands but I guess this has to do with the Mac heritage of the programm.
Over the years with digital cameras I always made jpg and Raw files, using the raw only as a backup in case the jpg wasn not perfect. I stopped making jpg with my Sony Alpha 7II as I am not happy with the quality of the jpg out of the so I am processing the Sony .arw (RAW) files with CaptureOne.
Help is needed with the following issues
1. After some time I think I have understood the catalogue concept of CaptureOne but it poses a problem to me: I am storing all my pictures on a RAID1 NAS I access wia WiFi from my computer. Naturally the connection is not the fastest so it is tiresome to store the files on the NAS and process them from there. I'd rather prefer to store them on the internal SSD harddrive of the computer, do my work with the arw files, process the jpgs and then push them to the NAS when finished. That was the way I worked with the software I used before I got CaptureOne. But if I do this with the Windows file explorer naturally the adjustements I made to the arw files will disapear as those adjustements are stored in the catalogue. I hope you can understand my problem. Any ideas how to change the workflow?
2. White Balance is rather strange: increasing the Kelvin numbers changes picture into warm instead of cold, when I learned to use a camera 40 years ago I learned it differently: the higher the Kelvin the colder it gets; Dayligh is around 5.600 and definitely colder than a conventional light bulb with 2.800... Why is this so different here?
3. I like the keystone correction ("Trapezkorrektur") feature, works fine, but how do I change the inches displayed into metric like cm??
4. Sometimes it takes a couple of seconds until the picture is displayed sharp, I guess this has to to with the fact, that CaptureOne pulls information from the NAS (see above) and the NAS is not responding quick enough...correct?
I started to use the CaptureOne Pro for Sony software only recently and I am getting more and more used to it. Using this under Windows it is sometimes difficult to access some of the commands but I guess this has to do with the Mac heritage of the programm.
Over the years with digital cameras I always made jpg and Raw files, using the raw only as a backup in case the jpg wasn not perfect. I stopped making jpg with my Sony Alpha 7II as I am not happy with the quality of the jpg out of the so I am processing the Sony .arw (RAW) files with CaptureOne.
Help is needed with the following issues
1. After some time I think I have understood the catalogue concept of CaptureOne but it poses a problem to me: I am storing all my pictures on a RAID1 NAS I access wia WiFi from my computer. Naturally the connection is not the fastest so it is tiresome to store the files on the NAS and process them from there. I'd rather prefer to store them on the internal SSD harddrive of the computer, do my work with the arw files, process the jpgs and then push them to the NAS when finished. That was the way I worked with the software I used before I got CaptureOne. But if I do this with the Windows file explorer naturally the adjustements I made to the arw files will disapear as those adjustements are stored in the catalogue. I hope you can understand my problem. Any ideas how to change the workflow?
2. White Balance is rather strange: increasing the Kelvin numbers changes picture into warm instead of cold, when I learned to use a camera 40 years ago I learned it differently: the higher the Kelvin the colder it gets; Dayligh is around 5.600 and definitely colder than a conventional light bulb with 2.800... Why is this so different here?
3. I like the keystone correction ("Trapezkorrektur") feature, works fine, but how do I change the inches displayed into metric like cm??
4. Sometimes it takes a couple of seconds until the picture is displayed sharp, I guess this has to to with the fact, that CaptureOne pulls information from the NAS (see above) and the NAS is not responding quick enough...correct?
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Hi, DerChef1959 is it generally bad idea to work with RAW files remotely as loading raw file over network is slow.
For what you described storing whole catalog and eventually backing up it to remote storage will work work better.
Just chop your work on multiple catalogs for example on per session or per subject or per client basics. Then all you need is get latest catalog from NAS add images to it, then sync it back to NAS and if required remove from you SDD to save some space.
2. The higher temperature the hotter and warmer white balance is. Dayligth is much more hot then light bulb so probably you are mistaken somewhere.
3. This is not inches that is just relative numbers
4. Yes this is correct0 -
A1. Your catalog workflow is fine. You do not have to change it. However, there are two errors in your logic. One, when working with a catalog, moving the raw files will not result in losing adjustments. You only have to relocate the originals when you move outside of CO8. Two, the catalog was designed to have the originals to a remove storage like NAS. Only during preview generation (after import), printing and processing/exporting plus a few adjustments and during zooming in, the original is accessed. Apart from these moments, it should not matter where your original resides.
If you would have worked with sessions, I would strongly advised against placing the originals on your NAS.
A2. There are two concepts about warmer/colder versus Kelvin value in imaging software. One concept is based the simulation of the light source independent from the image. It is obvious that a higher Kelvin value results in bluer light. Hence, the image becomes more blue when increasing the Kelvin value. This concept is not used so often anymore.
The other concept is based on the simulation of compensation of the imaginary light source the image was taken with. Actually it is a reversed approach. A blueish image at 5000K means that it is apparently taken with colder light, of 8000K for example. Moving the Kelvin to 8000 makes the image change from cold/blue to neutral (warmer). This approach seems to be more intuitive over the years. CO8 is using the second approach.
A3. When you use the Keystone tool, the image is cropped. The crop shows the dimension of the image. Whether this is displayed in cm, inches or pixels can be set in the crop tool.
A4. The short delay before an image is displayed sharp depends on the resources in your system. With a catalog and referenced images and previews of sufficient size this is mostly not the connection time to the disk, but processor or GPU related. You can check this by placing an image on your local drive and see what happens.0 -
Paul - then a side question.
By storing originals on NAS I saw significant perfomance drop in almost every operation. that is why swiched over to storing RAW inside catalog, and syncing catalog to NAS on file basics. And that works like a charm.
Should I open support ticket for that issue?0 -
[quote="Andriy.Okhrimets" wrote:
Paul - then a side question.
By storing originals on NAS I saw significant perfomance drop in almost every operation. that is why swiched over to storing RAW inside catalog, and syncing catalog to NAS on file basics. And that works like a charm.
Should I open support ticket for that issue?
That would be a good idea to open a ticket.0 -
[quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
A1. Your catalog workflow is fine. You do not have to change it. However, there are two errors in your logic. One, when working with a catalog, moving the raw files will not result in losing adjustments. You only have to relocate the originals when you move outside of CO8. Two, the catalog was designed to have the originals to a remove storage like NAS. Only during preview generation (after import), printing and processing/exporting plus a few adjustments and during zooming in, the original is accessed. Apart from these moments, it should not matter where your original resides.
Thank you for that, but as a Newbie I am still puzzled, can we work this through step-by-step please:
1. I pull down the raw files from the camera onto the local harddrive
2. Import those in CO8, process them there
3. Now I am moving the raws to the Nas or should I produce the jpgs now?
4. Any road: the files are now on the NAS, how do I "relocate" the files? This is the major bit I am missing..[quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
A2. There are two concepts about warmer/colder versus Kelvin value in imaging software. One concept is based the simulation of the light source independent from the image. It is obvious that a higher Kelvin value results in bluer light. Hence, the image becomes more blue when increasing the Kelvin value. This concept is not used so often anymore.
The other concept is based on the simulation of compensation of the imaginary light source the image was taken with. Actually it is a reversed approach. A blueish image at 5000K means that it is apparently taken with colder light, of 8000K for example. Moving the Kelvin to 8000 makes the image change from cold/blue to neutral (warmer). This approach seems to be more intuitive over the years. CO8 is using the second approach.
hmm if you look at any lamp its "colour temperature" will be cooler the higher the Kelvin gets... take an LED lamp it will be warm-white at around 3.000 Kelvin and "cool day-light" at around 6.000 Kelvin , apparently CO8 is not mainstream here...[quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
A4. The short delay before an image is displayed sharp depends on the resources in your system. With a catalog and referenced images and previews of sufficient size this is mostly not the connection time to the disk, but processor or GPU related. You can check this by placing an image on your local drive and see what happens.
Apparently it is much faster when working from the local hard drive0 -
Hello,
I am also a begginer with using Capture One.
I take pictures in 16:9 ratio. I noticed if I open raw files in Photoshop, they are in proper ratio. But if I import raw files into Capture One, pictures are not displayed in 16:9 ratio.
1. So I would like to know hot to apply 16:9 ratio in Capture One?
Next thing is cropping. Because pictures are not displayed in proper ratio, I created new ratio (16:9). But the problem is I cannot disable it no mater what kind of ratio I choose (Original, Unconstrained). If I create new catalog, cropping is also present.
2. So I would how to disable cropping, how?
The following link contains preview in Photoshop and Capture One.0 -
If you take a photo and your camera is capable of doing 16:9, the raw file that is recorded by the sensor will not be cropped. So in C1 you see the whole image. If you got the camera to produce JPG not raw, it would be cropped to 16:9 if that was the setting you had chosen. But of course you would probably not be using C1 if you wanted JPGs only.
Ian0 -
Mihakl:
Not sure if there are cameras on the market that can be switched to record different aspect ratio RAW data than the native sensor aspect ratio - which is 2:3 on the cameras I know. And on import C1 shows the entire RAW image as recorded by the sensor.
Now if you want a 16:9 ratio on all of your images you can simply define this ratio (Add Aspect Ratio), apply it on the first image, then hit the double arrow symbol right above the Crop tool which copies the crop to the adjustment clipboard, then you "Select All" images and then you hit on the "Apply Adjustments" button on the top right section of the screen and all images will be in 16:9.
However I have some doubt if I would proceed that way because perhaps some images need first some slight adjustment of the horizon line (rotation) so probably I'd check that first individually on each image. Then perhaps you don't want the 16:9 crop positioned exactly on the same spot on every 2:3 original image but a bit more up, a bit more down, a bit smaller and bit more sidewards. This all is just fast and easy to adjust on the the "Crop Screen" which is shown when you hit the Crop symbol in the middle top section of the screen. Then you're able to position, rotate and size your "crop" as it looks best for you - individually for each image.0 -
Thanks, but it was somehow strange. I defined ratio and then I clicked twice on picture and 16:9 crop area showed. Raw files are now properly displayed 😊 0 -
as someone effectively hijacked my thread may I turn your attention back to my post in which I asked how to transfer raw files to the NAS without losing them from the catalogue 0 -
Hi "DerChef"
sorry, no help for your issue. And you're right about the hijacking. However I'm a bit under the impression that the title of your thread may be an invitation to other users present also their "Newbie Questions". Some short worded and clear title might have avoided this.0 -
[quote="DerChef1959" wrote:
as someone effectively hijacked my thread may I turn your attention back to my post in which I asked how to transfer raw files to the NAS without losing them from the catalogue
I described this here:
http://imagealchemist.net/catalogs-in-depth-part-2/
See the header "Let's Move Some Images".0 -
[quote="DerChef1959" wrote:
...[quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
A2. There are two concepts about warmer/colder versus Kelvin value in imaging software. One concept is based the simulation of the light source independent from the image. It is obvious that a higher Kelvin value results in bluer light. Hence, the image becomes more blue when increasing the Kelvin value. This concept is not used so often anymore.
The other concept is based on the simulation of compensation of the imaginary light source the image was taken with. Actually it is a reversed approach. A blueish image at 5000K means that it is apparently taken with colder light, of 8000K for example. Moving the Kelvin to 8000 makes the image change from cold/blue to neutral (warmer). This approach seems to be more intuitive over the years. CO8 is using the second approach.
hmm if you look at any lamp its "colour temperature" will be cooler the higher the Kelvin gets... take an LED lamp it will be warm-white at around 3.000 Kelvin and "cool day-light" at around 6.000 Kelvin , apparently CO8 is not mainstream here...
I understand the Kelvin concept. However, I tried to explain that you can apply it in two different ways. I apparently failed. Sorry for the bad explanation. I will try to improve my writing next time.0 -
[quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
However, I tried to explain that you can apply it in two different ways. I apparently failed. Sorry for the bad explanation. I will try to improve my writing next time.
Oh no Paul you did not fail at all you explained it well I was just trying to point the CO8 approach to deal with the colour temperature is not the more common way I am used to. Do not want to blow up this thread unnecessarily but this had to be said as your comments are always wellcome and helpful0 -
[quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
See the header "Let's Move Some Images".
Ok I tried it this way:
1. raw files on internal harddrive
2. adjusted the raw files there
3. moved the raw file folder to the nas using Windows explorer
4. imported this folder now on the nas into the catalogue as described under "Let’s Move Some Images" as detailed under "Third and last"
5. it worked but the adjustements are all gone....
and that is exactly what I want: do the work while the files are still on the very fast internal ssd harddrive and then move them to the nas with all the trimmings and adjustements
Maybe I am too thick to do that....
by fooling around I noticed I can move just the files from one folder to the other without losing the adjustements... no way to do this with the complete folder? That would save me the trouble to create a new folder on the nas which is prone to errors in naming the folder0 -
Does the ORIGINAL folder with your RAW files in it also contain another folder called "CaptureOne"?
If not I wonder why not.
If it does, did you move that folder with the RAW files (i.e. copy the entire folder and its contents including the sub folder and the sub folders with in that folder, etc. ?
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[quote="SFA" wrote:
Does the ORIGINAL folder with your RAW files in it also contain another folder called "CaptureOne"?
If not I wonder why not.
Because he is using a catalog. No Capture One folder exists.0 -
[quote="DerChef1959" wrote:
[quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
See the header "Let's Move Some Images".
Ok I tried it this way:
1. raw files on internal harddrive
2. adjusted the raw files there
3. moved the raw file folder to the nas using Windows explorer
4. imported this folder now on the nas into the catalogue as described under "Let’s Move Some Images" as detailed under "Third and last"
5. it worked but the adjustements are all gone....
and that is exactly what I want: do the work while the files are still on the very fast internal ssd harddrive and then move them to the nas with all the trimmings and adjustements
Maybe I am too thick to do that....
by fooling around I noticed I can move just the files from one folder to the other without losing the adjustements... no way to do this with the complete folder? That would save me the trouble to create a new folder on the nas which is prone to errors in naming the folder
You where acting correctly up to point 3. Next, you should not add the new folder with images to your catalog as the catalog will see them as new images, because they are in a new location, and you won't have adjustments associated to them. You should only update the link in the catalog to the new location with the Locate command in the Library. Right-click on the old folder and browse to the new location. That's all.0 -
[quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
[quote="SFA" wrote:
Does the ORIGINAL folder with your RAW files in it also contain another folder called "CaptureOne"?
If not I wonder why not.
Because he is using a catalog. No Capture One folder exists.
Agh!
Sorry, missed the word "catalogue" in the previous post and didn't read the entire thread from the start.
These catalogue things seem incredibly complicated .... compared to good old sessions.
Grant0 -
You can get a CaptureOne folder while using a catalog.
It happens when you set a non-default ICC Profile and then export the image. C1P creates a .icm file for the image in the CaptureOne\Settings82 sub-folder.
Phase One say this is done so that you can pass the files to someone who doesn't have the specific non-default ICC Profile in their C1P so that they can work on the image.
Probably not relevant to the OP, however.0 -
[quote="RichardT" wrote:
You can get a CaptureOne folder while using a catalog.
It happens when you set a non-default ICC Profile and then export the image. C1P creates a .icm file for the image in the CaptureOne\Settings82 sub-folder.
Phase One say this is done so that you can pass the files to someone who doesn't have the specific non-default ICC Profile in their C1P so that they can work on the image.
Probably not relevant to the OP, however.
Thanks RichardT, I did not know that.0 -
Thank you guys that's what I wanted. I work on the raw files on the internal ssd move them over to the nas and then just tell CO8 where the files or folders are now...
excellent help but honestly without your help I would have never got this far, CO8 is not as intuitiv as I expect it to be0
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