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"No Profile" vs. "Managed by printer - No Proofing" ?

Samoreen
Hi,

What's the difference between those two settings in View | Proof Profile ?

Also, the View | Proof Profile option appears to be global. It would be preferable to allow this setting to apply only to the selected image(s). This way, it would be possible to easily compare multiple variants to which a different Proof Profile would be applied. Or did I miss something?

Thanks in advance.
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  • Samoreen
    This is the answer I got from the support:

    This sounds like managed by printer should apply your printer proof profile to show the colours your printer and reproduce. This will often give you a smaller set of colours than a screen but it is relevent if you are printing. No Proof profile is obviously no profile at all so all the colours that are present.

    Which is rather unclear... I still don't understand why 2 separate commands are necessary if they give the same result.
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  • MichaelW
    You didn’t say which Capture One version you have. In my version, CO Pro 9.1.1, the “Managed by Printer†option shows up in File > Print > Color Profile. Nevertheless, your assertions are correct. Soft proofing involves two variants, and in order for it to work one must be able to assign each variant a separate profile. Ideally, the first would be adjusted exactly as one wanted within CO’s native color space. The second would be assigned the color profile of the intended printer and readjusted, side-by-side, to be as close as one can get to the first, within the limits of the smaller color space of the printer.

    Photoshop has had this capability forever, complete with out-of-gamut warnings, and it is highly helpful in creating an accurate print. However, as you point out, CO does not allow assignment of separate profiles to individually editable variants. Thus the above process cannot be carried out. One can call up File > Print and assign a printer profile in order to visually examine a soft proofed variant, but one cannot edit it side-by-side with a control variant -- the print window has to be closed before editing can take place -- making this a semi-blind iterative approach that is so awkward as to be not usable in a practical workflow.

    Twice I have created support cases in order to lobby Phase One to include this capability in CO. Each time the response was similar yours, i.e. they acted as if the whole problem was incomprehensible to them and therefore did not exist. While CO is a great tool in most respects, I find this response to be bizarre given the range of capabilities already in CO. People do print their output, and although test prints may be a part of one’s work flow, creating soft proofs gets one to the final product quicker than not having that capability. My workaround for this rather sad situation is to send a TIFF to Photoshop, duplicate the TIFF, convert the duplicate to the intended print profile and use it as a print soft proof copy to create a final print file.
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  • MichaelW
    Well, it seems that CO 9.2 has finally made a step forward with regard to print proofing. One can now create a new variant and assign a separate profile to it, an essential step for evaluating print adjustments side-by-side with an original. That’s the good news. The bad news is that I can't find any of the printer profiles I've placed on my computer among the possibilities. I know they are there because they do appear in the File > Print > Color Profile menu selection. But that's not the same thing as assigning a printer profile to a variant and editing it side-by-side with an original. About the best one can do, it appears, is to use either AdobeRGB or sRGB and assume one’s intended print device is close. A step forward, but not quite there yet.
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  • SFA
    [quote="Michael19" wrote:
    Well, it seems that CO 9.2 has finally made a step forward with regard to print proofing. One can now create a new variant and assign a separate profile to it, an essential step for evaluating print adjustments side-by-side with an original. That’s the good news. The bad news is that I can't find any of the printer profiles I've placed on my computer among the possibilities. I know they are there because they do appear in the File > Print > Color Profile menu selection. But that's not the same thing as assigning a printer profile to a variant and editing it side-by-side with an original. About the best one can do, it appears, is to use either AdobeRGB or sRGB and assume one’s intended print device is close. A step forward, but not quite there yet.


    Michael,

    Can you outline how you have achieved that for us please?

    I have looked at the print section and not really found what you have described.

    In the image edit functionality it has long been possible to apply a different ICC profile to separate variants of in image but I don't really see the same option for a Proof Profile. One can set the proof profile for an output recipe but I have not seen any way to display 2 images (or the same image) with different recipes side by side. I may have missed something.

    BTW, in the Print functionality complete list of profiles (collected from every possible source in the system) which includes Printer manufacturer provided media profiles. However, being a very comprehensive list I have to get the window scrolling to see all of it. From memory in earlier version the pop up window was larger. Not sure is this is a design change to minimise the amount of the image obscured or something else. (Perhaps bad memory in my part?)

    It's the same for the Process Recipe although the pop-up window is larger there.

    For the Proof Profile I see all of the individual profiles plus, of course, the Recipes I have defined. It makes a great deal of sense to work with the recipes in my opinion. Being able to compare options side by side would indeed be interesting sometimes, hence my earlier question.


    Grant
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  • SFA
    [quote="Samoreen" wrote:
    This is the answer I got from the support:

    This sounds like managed by printer should apply your printer proof profile to show the colours your printer and reproduce. This will often give you a smaller set of colours than a screen but it is relevent if you are printing. No Proof profile is obviously no profile at all so all the colours that are present.

    Which is rather unclear... I still don't understand why 2 separate commands are necessary if they give the same result.



    I would guess the on screen result might be the same (No Profile and No Proofing) but the command set might be different if it differentiates between invoking a "printer" colour management or not.

    I would guess that in calibration scenarios or if printing to a "device" (PDF printer or similar) that is not actually producing a physical output the differences in intent may be more apparent.


    Grant
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