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Sharpening Advice

Steve Babb
Hi all,

I used to be an aperture user and relied on Nik Sharpener for my sharpening. I'd like to try the sharpening in C1 but am a little confused as to the settings?

It seems the default setting is always Amount 140, Radius 0.8 and Threshold 1. What do these actually effect? Is the default a good general setting? I notice we also have a few presets but none match the default? I tried pre-capture 1 and it seems very similar to default but very different settings. A higher amount but lower radius?

Can anyone help me understand?

Thanks
Steve
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  • janbak
    Me too I'd like to have some sharpening advice

    I used to be a Lightroom user where it was very useful "the magic alt key" (giving you a preview of the adjustment you are making) mainly to adjust Mask
    http://digital-photography-school.com/l ... c-alt-key/
    ... it should be beautiful to have the same function in C1 Pro 😉

    In general it seems that in C1 is more difficult to have a visual feedback of the sharpening adjustment you are making

    Furthermore in Lightroom you have the oppotunity to futhe adjust sharpening when you export a picture (this functionality it seems is not available at all in C1)

    I hope you could help a C1 newbie 😉 and I hope someone in the development team could take care of my suggestions 😉
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  • Orwell
    [quote="Stevebuk" wrote:
    Hi all,
    It seems the default setting is always Amount 140, Radius 0.8 and Threshold 1. What do these actually effect?


    I believe what you're seeing as defaults are relative to your camera. I have different defaults with my Nikon D800 (amount is 180).

    I think you can think of Amount as being similar to "Intensity" in Aperture. Radius is sort of like "Falloff". Think of Radius as how wide the edges should be. And Threshold is sort of like "Edges". Use a higher threshold to sharpen fewer things (don't want to sharpen noise).
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  • Orwell
    [quote="NN187113UL2" wrote:
    Me too I'd like to have some sharpening advice
    Furthermore in Lightroom you have the oppotunity to futhe adjust sharpening when you export a picture (this functionality it seems is not available at all in C1)


    What you're talking about is called "output sharpening". When you process a file in C1, it applies output sharpening by default. You can disable the output sharpening in a recipe, but you can't change the intensity.
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  • EnderWiggins
    [quote="NN187113UL2" wrote:
    In general it seems that in C1 is more difficult to have a visual feedback of the sharpening adjustment you are making

    I don't know how you folks are doing this, but I have a small window right next to the sharpening sliders, which shows me a 100% view of any part of the image I selected. When I push the sliders around, I can see exactly what is happening to the image in the small viewer (kind of a "loupe"). I then play around until I found just the right degree of sharpness.

    So what kind of additional visual feedback do you need?

    [quote="NN187113UL2" wrote:
    I hope someone in the development team could take care of my suggestions 😉

    This is a user-to-user forum. You should really use the support feature on Phase Ones website to push feature requests to the developers.

    Having said that, it would be nice if there would be a dedicated feature request option there, it's always a bit strange to report them the same way like a bug.
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  • paintbox
    What Mike said is good if you want to sharpen for immediate use.
    If I need to print, I just disable sharpening in the process recipe, then sharpen in Photoshop or Nik.
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  • Steve Babb
    Thanks guys.
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  • David Mantripp
    What you're talking about is called "output sharpening". When you process a file in C1, it applies output sharpening by default. You can disable the output sharpening in a recipe, but you can't change the intensity.


    Is this correct ? My impression was that there is only one sharpening tool, and "disable sharpening" turns that off. Is there really a "baked in", invisible output sharpener as well ?
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="David1" wrote:
    What you're talking about is called "output sharpening". When you process a file in C1, it applies output sharpening by default. You can disable the output sharpening in a recipe, but you can't change the intensity.


    Is this correct ? My impression was that there is only one sharpening tool, and "disable sharpening" turns that off. Is there really a "baked in", invisible output sharpener as well ?

    I think there is some confusion here. By default, the Sharpening tool is set to a certain value (you can change that default, by the way) and by default, it is applied on output.

    If you want the sharpening applied for certain output and for reasons of proper image review, but do on certain occasions not want it applied on output, use the 'disable sharpening' checkbox in the output recipe. In other words, the switch allows you to leave the sharpening tool set to the desired value, but make disable it on output.

    Give your process recipe a meaningful name to understand you used that switch.
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  • Orwell
    [quote="Orwell" wrote:
    [quote="Stevebuk" wrote:
    Hi all,
    It seems the default setting is always Amount 140, Radius 0.8 and Threshold 1. What do these actually effect?


    I believe what you're seeing as defaults are relative to your camera. I have different defaults with my Nikon D800 (amount is 180).

    I think you can think of Amount as being similar to "Intensity" in Aperture. Radius is sort of like "Falloff". Think of Radius as how wide the edges should be. And Threshold is sort of like "Edges". Use a higher threshold to sharpen fewer things (don't want to sharpen noise).


    Actually, after some experimentation, I've come to realize the default sharpening varies with the image, not necessarily with the camera.
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  • Orwell
    [quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
    [quote="David1" wrote:
    What you're talking about is called "output sharpening". When you process a file in C1, it applies output sharpening by default. You can disable the output sharpening in a recipe, but you can't change the intensity.


    Is this correct ? My impression was that there is only one sharpening tool, and "disable sharpening" turns that off. Is there really a "baked in", invisible output sharpener as well ?

    I think there is some confusion here. By default, the Sharpening tool is set to a certain value (you can change that default, by the way) and by default, it is applied on output.

    If you want the sharpening applied for certain output and for reasons of proper image review, but do on certain occasions not want it applied on output, use the 'disable sharpening' checkbox in the output recipe. In other words, the switch allows you to leave the sharpening tool set to the desired value, but make disable it on output.

    Give your process recipe a meaningful name to understand you used that switch.


    Thank you Paul. I stand corrected. I did some experimentation, and C1 does not do "output sharpening" in the way that Lightroom does with files.
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