Nikon D810 Support?
Hi,
Currently I seem to be lucky with the update - which has not been always the case. All the features that I am currently using to process my RAW files are working fine with no crashes at all. Both on my MacBook Pro (late 2012) and my Mac Pro (2010).
I am just wondering as my Nikon D810 is already shipped if anyone knows how long it usually take to get an updated version that can process my RAW files. I'll temporarily will shoot RAW & JPGs.
Peter
Currently I seem to be lucky with the update - which has not been always the case. All the features that I am currently using to process my RAW files are working fine with no crashes at all. Both on my MacBook Pro (late 2012) and my Mac Pro (2010).
I am just wondering as my Nikon D810 is already shipped if anyone knows how long it usually take to get an updated version that can process my RAW files. I'll temporarily will shoot RAW & JPGs.
Peter
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Is there an estimated date that C1 Pro will be able to handle RAW files from the D810? I wonder how different the format is compared to the D800. 0 -
When it happens, Bob - Phase One does not pre-announce. 0 -
Hi,
I am getting my D810 today but not expect a release of C1 Pro tomorrow to get my RAW files processed. I'll wait patiently and will use RAW and JPG in parallel.
Peter0 -
[quote="BobRockefeller" wrote:
I wonder how different the format is compared to the D800.
Could be very little difference.
I know that with the Fuji X-T! vs the x-em2 there was not much.
While it seems that a big deal is made about added camera support it takes very little to add a camera.
Before "support" for the X-T1 was added all you ad to do was use an exif editor to change a small item in the exif data and the files could be opened. Just changing the Camera parameter in the exif from X-T1 to x-em2 and the files would open.
On top of that the Camera profiles are to a certain point BS. For example if you want more accurate colors with the D800 do not use the D800 profile for your D800 shots, but use the IQ250. Makes you wonder what the heck is going on...0 -
[quote="FredBGG" wrote:
[quote="BobRockefeller" wrote:
I wonder how different the format is compared to the D800.
Could be very little difference.
I know that with the Fuji X-T! vs the x-em2 there was not much.
While it seems that a big deal is made about added camera support it takes very little to add a camera.
Before "support" for the X-T1 was added all you ad to do was use an exif editor to change a small item in the exif data and the files could be opened. Just changing the Camera parameter in the exif from X-T1 to x-em2 and the files would open.
On top of that the Camera profiles are to a certain point BS. For example if you want more accurate colors with the D800 do not use the D800 profile for your D800 shots, but use the IQ250. Makes you wonder what the heck is going on...
As for camera-support, we don't pre-announce annoucements 😉 But we of course know of the D810 and will act accordingly.
FredBCG, it funny how you know all about what it takes....
Yes, in some cases you can change exif-data and get it to "work". However, you will not get all the tweaka that are done during a proper-implementation. We spent a great of resources on implementing a to-be-supported camera, and nope it does not "take vey little effort" to do it properly.
Of course a few cameras are very a like, and some get more attention than others, but all receive their share of attention.
As for the camera color profiles, then it's hard to do a pleasing color profile for everyone.
With 7.2.3 we have a v2 profile for the D800/e, some still want to use the old, some want to use the new, extremely subjective.
But, please don't tell us "it's easy". We know what it takes.0 -
[quote="Christian Gruner" wrote:
As for camera-support, we don't pre-announce annoucements 😉 But we of course know of the D810 and will act accordingly.
There can be no doubt that PhaseOne is working on D810 support. They are not crazy.
I just hope PhaseOne gets access to the new RAW format information at least equal to Adobe, Iridient and the others.0 -
[quote="Christian Gruner" wrote:
[quote="FredBGG" wrote:
[quote="BobRockefeller" wrote:
I wonder how different the format is compared to the D800.
Could be very little difference.
I know that with the Fuji X-T! vs the x-em2 there was not much.
While it seems that a big deal is made about added camera support it takes very little to add a camera.
Before "support" for the X-T1 was added all you ad to do was use an exif editor to change a small item in the exif data and the files could be opened. Just changing the Camera parameter in the exif from X-T1 to x-em2 and the files would open.
On top of that the Camera profiles are to a certain point BS. For example if you want more accurate colors with the D800 do not use the D800 profile for your D800 shots, but use the IQ250. Makes you wonder what the heck is going on...
As for camera-support, we don't pre-announce annoucements 😉 But we of course know of the D810 and will act accordingly.
FredBCG, it funny how you know all about what it takes....
Yes, in some cases you can change exif-data and get it to "work". However, you will not get all the tweaka that are done during a proper-implementation. We spent a great of resources on implementing a to-be-supported camera, and nope it does not "take vey little effort" to do it properly.
Of course a few cameras are very a like, and some get more attention than others, but all receive their share of attention.
As for the camera color profiles, then it's hard to do a pleasing color profile for everyone.
With 7.2.3 we have a v2 profile for the D800/e, some still want to use the old, some want to use the new, extremely subjective.
But, please don't tell us "it's easy". We know what it takes.
Well say what you want as well as mis quote me.....
But for those that are interested I am opening Nikon D810 files in Capture One by simply editing the exif data of the NEF files changing the camera from Nikon D810 to Nikon D800. Files open just fine and if you do't use Phase One's so so default profile for the Nikon D800, but use the IQ250 profile (that is a better sony sensor profile) the files look just fine.
Here is an exif editor that can easily batch edit the camera name field.
It can be reversed at a later date if necessary.0 -
[quote="Christian Gruner" wrote:
With 7.2.3 we have a v2 profile for the D800/e
Interesting. Are there any other (un-announced) improved profiles with 7.2.3?0 -
[quote="ChristianLouw" wrote:
[quote="Christian Gruner" wrote:
With 7.2.3 we have a v2 profile for the D800/e
Interesting. Are there any other (un-announced) improved profiles with 7.2.3?
It's like version 1, but redder skin tones.
Neither are accurate skin tones.0 -
[quote="FredBGG" wrote:
[quote="ChristianLouw" wrote:
[quote="Christian Gruner" wrote:
With 7.2.3 we have a v2 profile for the D800/e
Interesting. Are there any other (un-announced) improved profiles with 7.2.3?
It's like version 1, but redder skin tones.
Neither are accurate skin tones.
So, what are accurate in your mind ? Also, you have to use it with the V2 filmcurve as well, as this is what is has been built for.0 -
[quote="FredBGG" wrote:
But for those that are interested I am opening Nikon D810 files in Capture One by simply editing the exif data of the NEF files changing the camera from Nikon D810 to Nikon D800. Files open just fine and if you do't use Phase One's so so default profile for the Nikon D800, but use the IQ250 profile (that is a better sony sensor profile) the files look just fine.
Here is an exif editor that can easily batch edit the camera name field.
It can be reversed at a later date if necessary.
Perhaps the D800 and D810 RAW file formats are more the same than other similar cameras. Or perhaps I'm missing out on a lot of optimizations. But whatever, ExifEditor and a quick tweak to the camera name in the file has Capture One Pro opening the files just fine.
I'll be looking forward to official D810 support so I can compare this method vs. the correct method in terms of output.
In the meantime...0 -
[quote="Christian Gruner" wrote:
It's like version 1, but redder skin tones.
Neither are accurate skin tones.
So, what are accurate in your mind ? Also, you have to use it with the V2 filmcurve as well, as this is what is has been built for.[/quote]
What are accurate skin tones? Very simple. They are the skin tones of the subject in front of the camera chosen for their
appearance, excellent skin and then painstakingly made up by an expert makeup artist to look just perfect. Then what is required is a profile that accurately reproduces the correct colors as the best starting point for post production.
Nothing wrong with having "so called" film curves to stylize the look or even complete stylized profiles, but it would be more professional to include an accurate profile.
Tanning skin profiles are not ideal in many situations. The brownish treatment looks weird on a red head or certain blond complexions.0 -
[quote="BobRockefeller" wrote:
[quote="FredBGG" wrote:
But for those that are interested I am opening Nikon D810 files in Capture One by simply editing the exif data of the NEF files changing the camera from Nikon D810 to Nikon D800. Files open just fine and if you do't use Phase One's so so default profile for the Nikon D800, but use the IQ250 profile (that is a better sony sensor profile) the files look just fine.
Here is an exif editor that can easily batch edit the camera name field.
It can be reversed at a later date if necessary.
Perhaps the D800 and D810 RAW file formats are more the same than other similar cameras. Or perhaps I'm missing out on a lot of optimizations. But whatever, ExifEditor and a quick tweak to the camera name in the file has Capture One Pro opening the files just fine.
But Aperture is not fooled by the EXIF name change and refuses to display the file. ☹️0 -
The new ICC profile takes care of the brownish tint. What I wondered about was your remark on the new one. In your mind, why is it still not good enough, when it is actually representing skintones in a more neutral way? 0 -
I used the new profile with images of an actor I photographed and know well.
Good friend and see his quite often so as a photographer I know what his skin tone is.
He is blond with fair skin.
The Profile shifts his skin tone to a reddish/browner tone as it he had a tan and had been in the sun recently.
Not sun burnt, but recent "reddish tan"
It also appears that subtleties in skin tones are lost. This in particular is undesirable in perfect skin such as in children or beauty models with perfect skin.
I can see some liking the reddish/tan look and brownish tint to the skin effect of the profile. Many subjects are a bit on the pale side or even grayish skin.
All that is really needed is an option of an accurate profile for the camera for those times where casting and makeup are what is determining the skin tones.
Best thing would be to have a way to read a 256 color patch target in Capture One and generate an accurate target with that , rather than stylizing skin tones with the current profiles.0 -
This waiting is KILLING me...OMG the Nx-D is cumbersome. It does a nice job but its not C1. I just want to edit my raws I have shot without clicking and trying to find out where the tab is open at...ala Nx d. 0 -
[quote="Thomas Quinn" wrote:
This waiting is KILLING me...OMG the Nx-D is cumbersome. It does a nice job but its not C1. I just want to edit my raws I have shot without clicking and trying to find out where the tab is open at...ala Nx d.
No need to wait.
Use my exif data edit and open the files in CO7.... see earlier in this thread.0 -
Hi Fred,
Yes, I tried and used the tool and it works pretty well. However, too many manual steps involved in my process.
Peter0 -
[quote="FredBGG" wrote:
[quote="Thomas Quinn" wrote:
This waiting is KILLING me...OMG the Nx-D is cumbersome. It does a nice job but its not C1. I just want to edit my raws I have shot without clicking and trying to find out where the tab is open at...ala Nx d.
No need to wait.
Use my exif data edit and open the files in CO7.... see earlier in this thread.
Are we positive that the D810 RAW format is exactly like the D800? There are no differences in the sensor that must be taken into account to get the best RAW conversion possible? Or will we see a somewhat better result from C1 once the "real" D810 support becomes available?0 -
Interestingly the file size decreases if you alter the exif data from D810 to D800 from 7360x4912 to 7316x4916 pixel.
I am using now C1 only to rate, delete and rank my images.
And for security reasons I am working with a copy of my images just in case the renaming of images is keeping the filesize messed up.0 -
While it is interesting with editing the exif...I find that a little scary and I don't think the profile is going to be the same. I am trudging my way through the NX-d software, finding it somewhat interesting, but I think its actually better than spoofing a 810 to think its an 800.
If this were the case, I think phase would just accept the 810 with a simple write command of accept the 810.
Just my two schillings.
Tom0 -
Please see;
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=16598&p=78911&sid=832e03f0fb671a810dfad70f4fd09a52#p78900
Fred's workaround may work but is not supported or recommended.0 -
Hi Drew,
The demand for an update for Nikon D810 users is likely pretty high and I'll be waiting on an update. In the meantime I am using Nikon's converter to get TIFFs processed.
Peter0 -
[quote="Peter Gruener" wrote:
Hi Drew,
The demand for an update for Nikon D810 users is likely pretty high and I'll be waiting on an update. In the meantime I am using Nikon's converter to get TIFFs processed.
Peter
Yes, it is high and it will come. Please be patient and in the meantime use the software that works best for your workflow.0 -
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3872/14790784553_5d7270a06c_c.jpg
Left is D800 and Right is D810 with exif edit workaround.
Colors are the same or really really close.
Good enough if someone needs to do some work in CO7 with D800 files.0 -
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2926/14770884342_782811a047_c.jpg
Here is a D810 file.
One of the images is with the D800 profile and the other is with the IQ250 profile.
Can you tell the difference?
Two totally different cameras, but the one thing they have in common is the Sony Sensor with on sensor DACs.0 -
[quote="AAlain" wrote:
To date, CNX2 partially opens the raw 810........
Alain - what do you mean by "partially opens" - does it actually manage to show the image?
CNX2 failed to open a D810 NEF when I tried it.0 -
Boy, I really hoped to see an update last week Friday but none came. I know Fred's workaround but still feel not comfortable and I am using Nikon's NX SW which is painfully slow or Lightroom which adds lots of noise in the images. Probably I am simply not used to their toolset. I am keeping my fingers crossed to see 7.2.4 this week.
Peter0 -
In lieu of less helpful posts to this thread, I'd just like to chime in saying that we are working on it and we hope to add it soon. It's well documented and known that it is in high demand and we're pushing those that need to be pushed to get support out, however sometimes these things take more time than we would like or expect.
Thank you all for your patience, support will come soon.0
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