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COP 8 NOT Working with Media Pro

NN635294905968703850UL
Hi,

I am experiencing the following behavior :

COP 7 works with MP in terms of Rebuilding previews from COP 7 adjustments (converted a test image to B&W inside COP 7 then Rebuilt preview in MP).

COP 8 does NOT work with MP. Changes made in COP 8 will NOT update in MP when Rebuild Item is selected.

I assume this has nothing to do with the rendering engine unless the thumbnail is in a different formatting scheme. As far a image proxies that could also change I guess.

Exactly WHEN will this be addressed (and when will MP be updated to actually function in ANY workflow)?

MP is the worst cataloging program I have ever seen:

1) Constantly messing around with menu options just to update images inside a catalog in MP? Lightroom does this automatically and even adds new variants saved from external editors. LR does include the catalog but so what?, it is still much easier to use which is my point. The COP catalog is very lacking in terms of what MP offers. I would like to see the same built-in organization categories such as Date, People, etc.

Why not just include a catalog that offers the functionality of MP without wasting my money????

2) Adobe Bridge, Photo Mechanic, Lightroom, etc. are much easier to use and do not have this mess with constantly having to fiddle with options and so forth. Previews are extremely fast also.

3) I had to upgrade to COP 8.0.1 just to be able to add images from COP 8 to the catalog in MP, no mention of this anywhere.

Users that spent good money for MP recently should be compensated for essentially WASTING it on a piece of software that simply is useless for many people including myself.

Please address these issues and provide us a straight answer on exactly what is being done about this instead of making excuses and offering vague answers to the customers. Some users mentioned that "An update is planned" back in June. What exactly does that do for us???? Well this is October and NO mention of anything. I got a reply saying that "our developers are aware of this". They have been aware of this for over a year!!!!!!!!!

Also, please include release notes on updated products like other venders do.

Thanks
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  • H. Cremers
    [quote="NN635294905968703850UL" wrote:
    Hi,

    I am experiencing the following behavior :

    COP 7 works with MP in terms of Rebuilding previews from COP 7 adjustments (converted a test image to B&W inside COP 7 then Rebuilt preview in MP).

    COP 8 does NOT work with MP. Changes made in COP 8 will NOT update in MP when Rebuild Item is selected.

    I assume this has nothing to do with the rendering engine unless the thumbnail is in a different formatting scheme. As far a image proxies that could also change I guess.

    Exactly WHEN will this be addressed (and when will MP be updated to actually function in ANY workflow)?

    MP is the worst cataloging program I have ever seen:

    1) Constantly messing around with menu options just to update images inside a catalog in MP? Lightroom does this automatically and even adds new variants saved from external editors. LR does include the catalog but so what?, it is still much easier to use which is my point. The COP catalog is very lacking in terms of what MP offers. I would like to see the same built-in organization categories such as Date, People, etc.

    Why not just include a catalog that offers the functionality of MP without wasting my money????

    2) Adobe Bridge, Photo Mechanic, Lightroom, etc. are much easier to use and do not have this mess with constantly having to fiddle with options and so forth. Previews are extremely fast also.

    3) I had to upgrade to COP 8.0.1 just to be able to add images from COP 8 to the catalog in MP, no mention of this anywhere.

    Users that spent good money for MP recently should be compensated for essentially WASTING it on a piece of software that simply is useless for many people including myself.

    Please address these issues and provide us a straight answer on exactly what is being done about this instead of making excuses and offering vague answers to the customers. Some users mentioned that "An update is planned" back in June. What exactly does that do for us???? Well this is October and NO mention of anything. I got a reply saying that "our developers are aware of this". They have been aware of this for over a year!!!!!!!!!

    Also, please include release notes on updated products like other venders do.

    Thanks


    I would like to point you to some facts about this forum. This is a user-to-user forum, where users try to help each other with questions about the use of the Phase One software. Ranting, while relieving, does nothing in that respect. Especially the tone you're striking doesn't give much feeling of mutual respect if you ask me.

    Whether you find MP helpful, easy to use, or something else, i cannot judge. From your post i get the feeling you don't like it. That's totally fine. But, you're spreading opinions as facts, i don't really appreciate that.

    MP is much more mature as DAM than Lr or CO. It offers many more functions in the DAM space than either of them. There is not a book publishing or so, not even raw converting, only raw previewing. But it keeps track of your digital assets easily, not just picture files, but also your other files you want to manage.

    The Media Pro software is certainly not useless, it may be for you though. Perhaps reading some help and watching some online videos (provided by Phase One) might set you on the right track.

    The reason that CO8 doesn't work with MP as far as thumbnails and previews go is exactly caused by the CO rendering engine, or rather the fact that it hasn't been incorporated in MP. Whether that is going to happen is something only Phase One knows and they never communicate about product releases on this forum (please read the rules).

    I hope your venting worked for you, but i find it has been less than helpful for me, but possibly also other users.

    BTW, the release notes are available via the very website you download the software from (a link directly under the download link).
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  • Andrew Mumford
    I'm fine with venting - if nothing else it gives me an insight into the "ventor's" psyche - in this instance it identifies some incompatibilities that probably should be specifically called out by Phase One for C1 Pro 8 users ...

    I come here to find out what's real - not to hear the party line on what's appropriate ...

    BTW - Yes I use MPro for a longtime since early iView days and FWIW I feel like they should work well together in order to manage my personal collection of images I have been curating since 2001 ...
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  • CAPTURE NIKON D700
    yes i anderstand your disapointing, iam new user in MP and payed also good Money but getting verry disapointing
    i contact the support and got this fast solution, you could only know use C1 7 with MP ❗️
    i dont thing that Photo mechanic or others will bee for your a good solution the problem i thing is C1 and not MP
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  • H. Cremers
    Don't get me wrong, you have the right to be disappointed, or whichever other emotion you're feeling. I am disappointed in phase one's behaviour with MP as well, so i moved on. I'm still using CO, version 8, and to my fullest satisfaction.

    While MP worked fine for me for a long while and the integration with CO was great, it kind of turned sour on me when it started to write mega big log files to my system's hard drive (i'm on Mac), rendering my entire system unusable.

    I was trying to make the point that venting is fine, but it doesn't help other users when you do it in every post you write.

    If you want to talk with me about how i fixed my DAM necessities, please don't hold back. Not sure this is the forum to do so however, since i've moved my DAM needs to another vendor.
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  • RobiWan
    [quote="HCS" wrote:
    since i've moved my DAM needs to another vendor.


    can you please write a little bit more about?
    I'm Mac user and my search for a new DAM software was not particularly successful. At this time I'm testing Photo Supreme with C1 V8 (Session), because the coming Photo Supreme Version will display C1 edits.
    But maybe there is a another/ better solution 😊
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  • HvTFoto
    [quote="RobiWan" wrote:
    [quote="HCS" wrote:
    since i've moved my DAM needs to another vendor.


    can you please write a little bit more about?
    I'm Mac user and my search for a new DAM software was not particularly successful. At this time I'm testing Photo Supreme with C1 V8 (Session), because the coming Photo Supreme Version will display C1 edits.
    But maybe there is a another/ better solution 😊


    I'm also interested to know what solution you've found since I'm in the same situation.

    //Hans
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  • H. Cremers
    I did indeed move to photo supreme. It takes quite a while to get used to it, since it follows different paradigms about digital asset management. But, i'm getting there and the support of it's owner is nothing short of amazing.

    So, if you want to talk more about it, and with souls much more knowledgeable about it, go on over to its forum.

    Even while it doesn't show the edits right away from CO8, the owner has written a script that can turn small jpg's from a process recipe in the image folder into a PSU preview. That's sweet as it is and indeed the version 3 rumours "native" ability to show CO8 edits, but no-one has seen that yet (other than the developer obviously).
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  • Jim MSP
    [quote="HCS" wrote:
    I did indeed move to photo supreme. It takes quite a while to get used to it, since it follows different paradigms about digital asset management. But, i'm getting there and the support of it's owner is nothing short of amazing.

    So, if you want to talk more about it, and with souls much more knowledgeable about it, go on over to its forum.

    Even while it doesn't show the edits right away from CO8, the owner has written a script that can turn small jpg's from a process recipe in the image folder into a PSU preview. That's sweet as it is and indeed the version 3 rumours "native" ability to show CO8 edits, but no-one has seen that yet (other than the developer obviously).


    Sounds good. Can it easily transfer one ( or a few) photos from a large number of photos in a shoot into a CO Session where I don't have to wait for CO to build preview files for all the photos?
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  • Pierre LIBERAS
    Hi

    Same recurent difficulties with Media Pro

    It's hawful to use the Keywords and with C8 the previews are quite invisble

    So I try daminion it's good and I'm happy exactly what I need !

    Just a little problem easy to solve when I import DNG from Leica

    Cordialement

    Media Pro team have an anchronic and old point of vue of their business; There is no bug in MP that's the user's fault or windows or else
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  • H. Cremers
    [quote="Jim MSP" wrote:

    Sounds good. Can it easily transfer one ( or a few) photos from a large number of photos in a shoot into a CO Session where I don't have to wait for CO to build preview files for all the photos?


    Jim, it does, it looks much like sending a set from MP to CO. As long as you use sessions in CO.
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  • Jim MSP
    [quote="HCS" wrote:
    [quote="Jim MSP" wrote:

    Sounds good. Can it easily transfer one ( or a few) photos from a large number of photos in a shoot into a CO Session where I don't have to wait for CO to build preview files for all the photos?


    Jim, it does, it looks much like sending a set from MP to CO. As long as you use sessions in CO.

    Thanks. Off to give it a try, and to see how it also works with Lightroom.
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  • H. Cremers
    [quote="Jim MSP" wrote:

    Thanks. Off to give it a try, and to see how it also works with Lightroom.


    Jim, don't forget to join the PSU forums, for extended help from other users and the developer. Even if you didn't buy a license yet.

    I've found you can't just "copy & paste" the MP way of working onto PSU.

    CU there.
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  • CAPTURE NIKON D700
    OK .so .. Photo Supreme is the solution ❗️
    how about the costumers how just dammed bayed Media Pro and still waiting for functionality with C1 8 ❓
    can some one show us hear please a helpful solution to let MP works with C1 8, it seem to bee hear that Phase one
    are giving MP costumers a big attention, authors vendor are telling their costumers what coming soon 😉
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  • Jim MSP
    [quote="CAPTURE NIKON D700" wrote:
    OK .so .. Photo Supreme is the solution ❗️
    how about the costumers how just dammed bayed Media Pro and still waiting for functionality with C1 8 ❓
    can some one show us hear please a helpful solution to let MP works with C1 8, it seem to bee hear that Phase one
    are giving MP costumers a big attention, authors vendor are telling their costumers what coming soon 😉

    I payed for MP on Day 1 of its release.
    I have since developed a workflow which works for me.
    I first import into Lightroom, where I cull, rate, and keyword, writing keywords, etc to sidecar files
    I use a year-topic-date based photo file system on my pc
    I then import the new folder of files into a small catalog in MP. This goes quickly, and with a small catalog is quite stable. I continue to use LR for my master DAM - it is fairly quick for me, and very stable, My master catalog contains about 78k photos.

    I am trying CO 8, and use CO7.
    I find that I can work with CO 8 by starting a new session.
    I can select the photos in MP (eg, 2 stars) that I want to process in CO, then click on the photo or photos and drag it on to the CO 8 session window. CO 8 then opens those. I choose not to overwrite the metadata.

    With all my software on a internal SSD, this moves along fairly quickly.
    However, as we all know, I can't see the CO edits in MP.

    Jim
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  • CAPTURE NIKON D700
    thanks jim, 😉
    but i don't have Lightroom ❗️ and i don't works with sessions
    i moved my Library from Aperture and Iphoto to C1 7 then upgraded to C1 8 and disconnect the dammed i Cloud on Imac
    i found that C1 for my work do good job ! compared with the others vendor with the i cloud function i don't want to move in the i cloud i want to stay on the ground 😂 and i also wont to have control for my privet stuff ❗️
    i have only one Catalog in C1 8 and the same in MP nothing moor els, what i need, and wish should bee at leas Works for costumers such like C1-MP expensive Programms 😭 i don't have time playing jumping on my Mac i have only time to add creativity to my Pictures,
    i am very disappointing that the developers are not finding that easy to works one , just look in the Web how many Programs you find about DMA
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  • H. Cremers
    [quote="CAPTURE NIKON D700" wrote:
    OK .so .. Photo Supreme is the solution ❗️
    how about the costumers how just dammed bayed Media Pro and still waiting for functionality with C1 8 ❓
    can some one show us hear please a helpful solution to let MP works with C1 8, it seem to bee hear that Phase one
    are giving MP costumers a big attention, authors vendor are telling their costumers what coming soon 😉


    While it seems you are not a native English speaker (neither am i), i resent the tone in your post quoted here. I am just another user like yourself and have forked over the required amount (in Euros in my case) to Phase One and am even less satisfied than you are about their attitude towards MP users, but you don't see me offending other users on this forum because of that.

    I am trying to help other users in the same situation and i am certainly not employed by Phase One or one of its subsidiaries. So, i would appreciate a little bit of courtesy to other users on this forum (not just me) 😊
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  • H. Cremers
    [quote="CAPTURE NIKON D700" wrote:
    thanks jim, 😉
    but i don't have Lightroom ❗️ and i don't works with sessions
    i moved my Library from Aperture and Iphoto to C1 7 then upgraded to C1 8 and disconnect the dammed i Cloud on Imac
    i found that C1 for my work do good job ! compared with the others vendor with the i cloud function i don't want to move in the i cloud i want to stay on the ground 😂 and i also wont to have control for my privet stuff ❗️
    i have only one Catalog in C1 8 and the same in MP nothing moor els, what i need, and wish should bee at leas Works for costumers such like C1-MP expensive Programms 😭 i don't have time playing jumping on my Mac i have only time to add creativity to my Pictures,
    i am very disappointing that the developers are not finding that easy to works one , just look in the Web how many Programs you find about DMA


    And, on a different tangent, i would advise you to have a look at PSU. Version 3 just came out and it does include showing updates as done in CO8 (and some others). I think it is worth it, not so expensive as MP in the standalone version and even offers a true networked version.
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  • NN635294905968703850UL
    This is to the COP "Experts" complaints of my venting ...

    I really don't care about your opinion my venting, if you cannot address the issue then don't chime in.

    A you see, plenty of people are FED UP with your excuses with your software.

    WE are YOUR customers and WE pay your salary not the other way around.

    Stop acting like you are being personally insulted and fix the bugs/shortfalls in your software.

    How many times do you need to hear something before you fix it????
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  • Wolfram Hölzel
    As long you are working just with windows for me the most powerful DAM-Software is IMatch 5 (I not just use it for my images, also for Music, Work (all kind of documents, even Quarkxpress), ....).
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