ICC Profile Canon 7D
Hi,
SInce a few days I am testing C1 8.x for Mac. I have been an Aperture user for years now, but Apple doesn't support or renew it anymore. So... we are looking for something else...
I do like C1, still have got to learn a lot, but most of all I am struggling with the ICC profile.
My RAW pictures out of my Canon 7D are far too red and too saturated. It just doesn't look natural. And there is just one profile within C1 for the 7D.
How can this be adjusted??
In Aperture I could do that very easy, but I can't find it here.
Thanks in advance.
Kind regards,
Reinder
SInce a few days I am testing C1 8.x for Mac. I have been an Aperture user for years now, but Apple doesn't support or renew it anymore. So... we are looking for something else...
I do like C1, still have got to learn a lot, but most of all I am struggling with the ICC profile.
My RAW pictures out of my Canon 7D are far too red and too saturated. It just doesn't look natural. And there is just one profile within C1 for the 7D.
How can this be adjusted??
In Aperture I could do that very easy, but I can't find it here.
Thanks in advance.
Kind regards,
Reinder
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I love Capture One raw conversion quality, but the default color rendering is way off...not just on my 7D also on my 100D, 1D Mk III... 😐
The way i do it is, when i get images in from the memory card, i adjust color saturation on the first image and paste to the rest... and when i find the final selects i use the color editor.0 -
I'm in the same boat as you guys as a former Aperture-User with a Canon 7D (and some other, older bodies).
First of all, I can not confirm any color problems with the C1 profiles for my Canon bodies. In fact I do have the exact opposite experience as C1 gives me much better, natural and correct colors out of the box. Before moving to C1 I did extensive testing of images of all kind between Aperture, C1 and LR and by far the most accurate colors came from the C1 conversion. When I'm talking about accuracy, I'm talking about photographing clothes and then getting them from the closet and holding them to the screen, comparing three conversions side by side where C1 hits the actual colors right out of the box while the others don't.
Don't take this the wrong way, but my best guess would be, that your vision after years of bad Aperture conversions is simply off and needs to be re-calibrated. Basically similar to working with a bad non-calibrated display for years and then you calibrate it and everything seems much bluer or much more yellow to your eyes.
Second, you can easily make a basic preset for your adjustments (in terms of saturation, color balance), save this and have it applied to all your images on import, exactly like in Aperture.0 -
[quote="j thorsen" wrote:
I love Capture One raw conversion quality, but the default color rendering is way off...not just on my 7D also on my 100D, 1D Mk III... 😐
The way i do it is, when i get images in from the memory card, i adjust color saturation on the first image and paste to the rest... and when i find the final selects i use the color editor.
you can also save your adjustments in CE as a new camera profile and reuse that for new shots0 -
Thanks for the suggestions with presets, i am also new to Capture One and still in learning mode... 😊
The colors i am trying to replicate is what i am used to seeing in Camera Raw on a monitor calibrated to D65 white point and gamma 2.20 -
There was a thread 2 or 3 months ago about the default colour selections for the 7D2 profile. Some good information came from that and a second profile to choose if preferred.
The alternative is that you ignore the "Film" profiles in the ICC and select Linear. That is basically a flat no colour adjustment raw extraction on which you can build your own style or styles. Doing so might be especially rewarding.
There is also a video on line that deals with colour adjustments. In addition to that I have found the newly added Auto Levels by separate RGB adjustments to be very useful for certain types of image.
The default (or even the optional where they exist) profiles are really only a reasonable enough compromise as an average presentation. A starting point for your own preferences for those images that are worth the spending time to enhance.
That said, for my cameras I find the standard colour profiles quite acceptable most of the time for the basic photo. If styling then of course one wants to change things.
HTH.
Grant0 -
I had similar issues once with Lightroom, it turned out to be the icc profile for my monitor (Spyder Tool). I created a new one using icc version2 instead of version4 and it fixed the problem. Only LR had the issue, everything else looked ok on the screen which was why it took me so long to find the problem.
Just throwing that out there as something to check.0 -
[quote="SFA" wrote:
There was a thread 2 or 3 months ago about the default colour selections for the 7D2 profile. Some good information came from that and a second profile to choose if preferred.
Yep, and as I pointed out numerous times, the problem wasn't unique to the 7D Mk II.
I explicitly mentioned that the 7D and the 70D also suffer from Capture One's broken profiling, and pointed out that Phase One "fixing" the 7D Mk II's profile does nothing to address the systemic issues that cause the problem with it and the other cameras.
And here we are...0 -
I wrote that i am new to Capture One..but the truth is i have given up on it several times because of several irritating things, even though i was fully aware of Capture One's ability to render detail and suck everything possible out of the Raw file.
But i will not give up this time,"workarounds" is the answer from now on ❗️
I have the "delete images" workaround figured out, and this one i will call..."the attack of the autumn leaves, beauty color" workaround 😁0 -
[quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
[quote="SFA" wrote:
There was a thread 2 or 3 months ago about the default colour selections for the 7D2 profile. Some good information came from that and a second profile to choose if preferred.
Yep, and as I pointed out numerous times, the problem wasn't unique to the 7D Mk II.
I explicitly mentioned that the 7D and the 70D also suffer from Capture One's broken profiling, and pointed out that Phase One "fixing" the 7D Mk II's profile does nothing to address the systemic issues that cause the problem with it and the other cameras.
And here we are...
Keith,
My purpose in pointing out the other thread was simply to try to avoid deja vu.
That said you prompted me to go and dig out the files I created when I hired a 7d back in 2010 now I have copied them to a drive I tend to keep on line.
It's a mixed selection with lots of bright sunlight and a full array of colours. In many cases I shot RAW+jpg and can compare them side by side.
I really can't see anything so far that, to me, represents a major error in the colour profile from those files. The usual problem colours are readily found in the images and seem a tad more muted in the RAW conversions (default values) than the accompanying jpgs.
Now there are many other things problematic about the images not the least being that many were shot with a lens that was (and still is) erratic when attempting to focus on moving subjects. I was not aware of that at the time.
But fundamentally as far as I can see the colour interpretations are quite tolerable even in the most extreme exposures I have found so far.
I'm using 8.2 for this quick assessment but of course the generic original 7D profile.
My viewing screen is not colour managed since it seems unable to achieve the core settings my Eye One calibration system seems to want to work from - so I thought it best not to worry about it too much.
I was fully expecting to see some garish results .... but that has not been the case so far.
I can only assume that things are not quite so cut and dried as I was expecting, though I have no idea why that should be.
Grant0 -
[quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
[quote="SFA" wrote:
There was a thread 2 or 3 months ago about the default colour selections for the 7D2 profile. Some good information came from that and a second profile to choose if preferred.
Yep, and as I pointed out numerous times, the problem wasn't unique to the 7D Mk II.
I explicitly mentioned that the 7D and the 70D also suffer from Capture One's broken profiling, and pointed out that Phase One "fixing" the 7D Mk II's profile does nothing to address the systemic issues that cause the problem with it and the other cameras.
....I'm not seeing any colour problems on imported RAW files in CO8 from my Canon 7D Mark II. I shoot wildlife and rarely anything else.
Canon have a good reputation for their onboard AWB setting and I sometimes adjust the K value in CO8 but that's only according to my preference for an individual image.
I am new to CO8 but recall selecting a 7D Mark II profile somewhere in CO8 - I don't know where I can review that setting - It's not in the CO8 Preferences window.
I have done a Search for the 7D2 profile thread in this Mac forum but found no results.0
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