RAW fine-tuning sharpening like Aperture?
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I switched from Aperture to CO and imported just the first 900 RAW-pictures from my CF-card. I'm now looking for the equal function for RAW sharpening, details, like I had in Aperture. Where can I find them? In Aperture I alway set a high level of RAW sharpening and details and only a little of the output sharpness.
I switched from Aperture to CO and imported just the first 900 RAW-pictures from my CF-card. I'm now looking for the equal function for RAW sharpening, details, like I had in Aperture. Where can I find them? In Aperture I alway set a high level of RAW sharpening and details and only a little of the output sharpness.
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Hi,
I am not a Aperture user but you can adjust sharpening in the "magnifying lens" menu with the sharpening tool.
You can disable sharpening in the development parameters in the "gear" menu
You can have a look at this page for an introduction to where to find the different tools :
http://help.phaseone.com/en/CO7/Introdu ... Guide.aspx0 -
It might help if you explain what (apart from being a misnomer - you can't sharpen a Raw), "Raw sharpening" is. 0 -
I work with the german version, but in english it might be "raw fine-tuning", where i can adjust all the options, the camera does for jpg pictures. There are sharpen, borders, moire, radius, reduce noise, and more. After those corrections, I can do all the things I also do for jpg files. So it is:
Import RAW --> raw fine-tuning --> all the possibilities I have found also in Capture One0 -
RAW fine tuning ist not exactly what the camera for JPEG does - it simply are the parameters to Apertures RAW development engine. The idea that you cannot sharpen a RAW is a bit simple.
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| RAW | | Image |
{ RAW } ---> | | ---> { demosaiced Image data } ---> | | --->
| Engine | | Processing |
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The data within the RAW engine has different representations - but generally operations like noise reduction pre sharpening or such things can be applied to some extent _within_ this decoding process. So it would indeed not be that much of a misnomer to call it "RAW pre sharpening" - which is what e.g. Nik calls it in Sharpener Pro. Another example would be the use of Noise Ninja in Bibble - they integrated it within the RAW engine with better results than having it in a process step after RAW decoding and within generic Image processing0 -
I think the only real difference between RAW fine-tuning in Aperture, and adjustments in Capture One, is that I believe the RAW fine-tuning settings in Aperture happen first in the image processing pipeline. All adjustments in Capture One are done at the RAW level anyway, but I'm not sure that you can influence the order of operations. Can you? 0 -
So, is there any possibility for RAW fine tuning in Capture One with a realtime preview or not? If not, it's a huge disappointment! 0 -
[quote="pruegg" wrote:
So, is there any possibility for RAW fine tuning in Capture One with a realtime preview or not? If not, it's a huge disappointment!
The issue here is, that you are looking for functionality in one program that you had in another. Understandable but dissatisfaction is almost guaranteed. One of the main tasks in converting from one to another program, is that you at some point in time the old habits let go, and start learning new tricks.
In the end it is not important whether a certain feature exists or not in program A or B. What matters is that you can get your work done. Look at the problem you like to solve and how, instead of chasing specific solutions you are familiar with in another program.
Again: understandable but disappointing. Always.0 -
[quote="meanwhile" wrote:
I think the only real difference between RAW fine-tuning in Aperture, and adjustments in Capture One, is that I believe the RAW fine-tuning settings in Aperture happen first in the image processing pipeline.
It makes more sense if you take a look at the implementation details - There are some WWDC videos which show how the RAW engine is used which makes quite clear how that reflects on the UI they built around that.[quote="meanwhile" wrote:
All adjustments in Capture One are done at the RAW level anyway, but I'm not sure that you can influence the order of operations. Can you?
I doubt that all adjustments in C1 are done at the RAW level in the strict sense used first in this thread. I'm quite certain that it actually is not that different to how Aperture does it. It actually isn't that important anyway. You have no influence on the order of the adjustments in neither Aperture nor Capture 1. This actually is a feature.0 -
[quote="pruegg" wrote:
So, is there any possibility for RAW fine tuning in Capture One with a realtime preview or not? If not, it's a huge disappointment!
What you see is just an UI issue - C1 doesn't make a UI-difference out of where in the processing pipeline an adjustment is applied. This always was a bit of a crutch in Aperture anyway. I get much better Sharpening in C1 from using the normal Sharpening adjustment and the Structure slider under Clarity.
What is the real problem you face? Is it a missing slider or are the results less sharp than the same out of Aperture?0 -
Here is the feature @pruegg is referencing in Aperture:
https://documentation.apple.com/en/aper ... tasks=true
I think the same functions are found within Capture One but under difference names. The Clarity tools plus the Sharpening tools in C1 seem to work as the Sharpening and Edges tool in RAW Fine Tuning and the Sharpening blocks in Aperture. The exact algorithms may be different but the effect seems to be the same for me.0 -
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I don't know how well you know Aperture. This RAW fine tuning sliders are a part which you normally should not have to adjust often. As I said - this are direct parameters into Apple Camera RAW. Additionally to that Aperture has adjustment blocks for sharpening, edge sharpening, definition and so on. The fine tuning sliders only have subtle effect - why are they there anyways? Because e.g noise reduction is part of Apple Camera RAW and parameters like sharpening, detail and noise reduction are typical input parameters for noise reduction algorithms. This is NOT part of Aperture but Apple Camera RAW. Apple just decided to show the parameters only in Aperture and not in iPhoto or Photos.
C1 is not missing anything here.0
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