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Evaluating Lightroom Replacements

NNN636916513175085268
Since I won't do SaaS and Lightroom 6 Perpetual does not support my new camera, I am evaluating replacements. Looking at 6 programs and you'll likely not be surprised that Capture One comes closest. However, with that being said, even after reading and watching quite a bit (not all), there are 9 things I cannot find that I use in Lightroom. In no particluar order, though I could order in level of importance, they are:

1. HDR
2. Panorama Stitching
3. Simple Client Web Galleries
4. History to revert to specific steps
5. Book or print layouts
6. Change perspective (key-stoning, etc)
7. Annotate (typography)
8. Canon Camera Picture Styles
9. Collections

Whew. To your credit, it does support the other 13 requirements I have. And my even support these yet I could not find them.

Would someone be kind enough to help me understand what of the above is or is not or even is planned to be supported?

Thanks.
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  • Ian Leslie
    A few answers...
    [quote="NNN636916513175085268" wrote:

    1. HDR
    2. Panorama Stitching
    3. Simple Client Web Galleries
    5. Book or print layouts

    No direct support although some plug-ins have started to appear. So there could be some solutions there. Otherwise you will need to go to a third party for those things.

    [quote="NNN636916513175085268" wrote:
    4. History to revert to specific steps

    Nope not a feature. You can go to support and ask for them to add it.

    [quote="NNN636916513175085268" wrote:
    6. Change perspective (key-stoning, etc)

    https://help.phaseone.com/en/CO12/Editi ... Correction

    [quote="NNN636916513175085268" wrote:
    7. Annotate (typography)

    https://help.phaseone.com/en/CO12/Editi ... ing-Images

    [quote="NNN636916513175085268" wrote:
    8. Canon Camera Picture Styles

    No clue - don't shoot Canon sorry can't help.

    [quote="NNN636916513175085268" wrote:
    9. Collections

    Look at albums. Including smart albums.
    https://help.phaseone.com/en/CO12/Organ ... nd-Folders
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  • NNN636916513175085268
    Thanks for a thoughtful reply. Off to check your links. Quite a few not supported...hmmm.

    ~Bob
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  • IanS
    [quote="NNN636916513175085268" wrote:
    Since I won't do SaaS and Lightroom 6 Perpetual does not support my new camera, I am evaluating replacements. Looking at 6 programs and you'll likely not be surprised that Capture One comes closest. However, with that being said, even after reading and watching quite a bit (not all), there are 9 things I cannot find that I use in Lightroom. In no particluar order, though I could order in level of importance, they are:

    1. HDR
    2. Panorama Stitching
    3. Simple Client Web Galleries
    4. History to revert to specific steps
    5. Book or print layouts
    6. Change perspective (key-stoning, etc)
    7. Annotate (typography)
    8. Canon Camera Picture Styles
    9. Collections

    Whew. To your credit, it does support the other 13 requirements I have. And my even support these yet I could not find them.

    Would someone be kind enough to help me understand what of the above is or is not or even is planned to be supported?

    Thanks.


    I assume you will use a pixel editor as well? If so Affinity Photo will do this and take care of your HDR, Panorama, focus stacking etc. needs.

    Personally never understood the need for a history function in a pixel editor. Why go back to where you changed the contrast and lose all adjustments after this stage when you can simply change the contrast?

    LR is an all in one program and you will not get most of these functions in C1Pro. They keep the focus on raw conversion and you will never get functions like book modules etc in C1Pro. You won't get red eye reduction (just another local correction), Black/White point sliders (use levels) or many other LR sliders.

    You do get a completely configurable UI (shock after LR), an advanced colour editor (can convert to masks) and dedicated skin tone tab, Levels, Luma curve, various clarity options, structure, etc. and an excellent layers workflow. Layers are fundamental in C1Pro and you need to understand how to use them to best effect. I used LR since V1 and after failing to convert to C1Pro on several occasions finally realised that you need to work with C1Pro rather than try to duplicate a LR workflow.
    Don’t forget you also have the option of working in sessions which means you don’t have to import photos into a catalogue, just dump the files on your HD and get to work. I now use sessions and after about a year when I am not likely to be doing anything with the files import the session into an archive catalogue. All adjustments, key words, rating etc come along and no files are moved on your HD. Best of both worlds.

    If you need the all in one functionality of LR you might be best served by looking at ON1 Photo Raw and ACDSEE. ON1 Photo Raw might be particularly interesting as it has a LR catalogue import that uses AI to simulate your existing LR edits. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rOGmE2HZdk&t=1s
    Personally, I always find that I want to re-edit an older photo from scratch as I can do a better job now 😊

    Hope this helps but don’t forget to take a look at ON1 Photo Raw and ACDSEE.

    Ian
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  • NNN636916513175085268
    Thanks again.

    Right now I use Lightroom 6 and Photoshop CS6. I find that I use Lightroom 95% of the time. I was hoping to replace that, but open to possibilities, which is why I am doing my homework.

    History has been very useful for me in both programs. Very nice to be able to revert to a specific item rather than multiple CTL Z Undos hoping to hit that point. Not used often/ But welcomed when it is used.

    "LR is an all in one program and you will not get most of these functions in C1Pro. They keep the focus on raw conversion and you will never get functions like book modules etc in C1Pro. You won't get red eye reduction (just another local correction), Black/White point sliders (use levels) or many other LR sliders."

    Pity. Some of those used daily. LR's ability to see masking and detail in sharpening also a tough one to live without. But I don't want to fail to acknowledge all of the things C1P DOES do that LR does not and you list so well. Or does more easily or elegantly. Tough decisions....

    ON1 seems to be the only other possible choice, and not the front runner. I have now looked at Luminar, DXO, Affinity, C1, Darktable, On 1... I don't think there are more to look at. Unless I really cave to a subscription servoice for CC. But not only is it offensive to me to rent software, CC is incredibly invasive to your computer with scheduled tasks, validations, updates, registry control, etc. I'm sure there is telemetry there as well, though I have never checked. I only used it on a corporate computer when it first launched.

    All for now. Thanks Ian.
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  • IanS
    [quote="NNN636916513175085268" wrote:
    Thanks again.

    Right now I use Lightroom 6 and Photoshop CS6. I find that I use Lightroom 95% of the time. I was hoping to replace that, but open to possibilities, which is why I am doing my homework.

    History has been very useful for me in both programs. Very nice to be able to revert to a specific item rather than multiple CTL Z Undos hoping to hit that point. Not used often/ But welcomed when it is used.

    "LR is an all in one program and you will not get most of these functions in C1Pro. They keep the focus on raw conversion and you will never get functions like book modules etc in C1Pro. You won't get red eye reduction (just another local correction), Black/White point sliders (use levels) or many other LR sliders."

    Pity. Some of those used daily. LR's ability to see masking and detail in sharpening also a tough one to live without. But I don't want to fail to acknowledge all of the things C1P DOES do that LR does not and you list so well. Or does more easily or elegantly. Tough decisions....

    ON1 seems to be the only other possible choice, and not the front runner. I have now looked at Luminar, DXO, Affinity, C1, Darktable, On 1... I don't think there are more to look at. Unless I really cave to a subscription servoice for CC. But not only is it offensive to me to rent software, CC is incredibly invasive to your computer with scheduled tasks, validations, updates, registry control, etc. I'm sure there is telemetry there as well, though I have never checked. I only used it on a corporate computer when it first launched.

    All for now. Thanks Ian.


    New update of ON1 coming next month. Will have searchable history as it is a pixel editor as well as raw converter.

    Ian
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