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Suggestions for next version of Capture One

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  • michaelbs
    Great write up. Couldn't agree more. Thanks for this.

    One addition: please make the brush more feathered. The feathering doesn't work very well as it is - compared to Lightroom.
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  • SFA
    [quote="NN635339682186572950UL" wrote:


    I can't comment on a comparison with Nikon software (Some of it now Google?) bit for overall C1 comments soo my embedded observations below.

    Usability / display
    - be able to edit color tags within the browser (possible for stars, why not for colors tags?) - is it a bug ?

    --- This is possible in my Windows installation. Right click and navigate or use the numeric keypad shortcuts


    - associate hot keys to switch quickly between Workspaces (e.g. ALT-1 for workspace 1, ALT-2 for workspace 2 etc)

    --- So many hot key options already there might not be any combinations left! You could ass the Workspace selector to the menu bar and get single click/highlight the workspace you want action form that.

    In some ways hot keys may be a challenge to use, especially try to manage them with multiple custom workspaces?



    - display the active proof profile just underneath the image (make it always visible)

    --- Yep, reasonable idea. Bear in mind though that ICC setting in the output profile influences what happens if you have the default set accordingly. So if you are using the Output Profile to control the appearance of outputs having that tool open provides the information you are looking for. Unless you always use the same output profile the idea of Proofing on screen for one profile and potentially having a different profile in the Output process does not seem ideal.


    - display the degrees while using the “Straighten†tool (on top of the dotted line for example)

    --- You can display the Rotation tool to see the adjustment in degrees. I find it interesting but I'm not sure it offers much assistance. In the other hand I tend to use the rotation tool 99% of the time rather than the straighten line option.

    - make the sliders (e.g. Hue and Saturation in Split Tones) a bit bigger - it is particularly difficult to see the nuances as the sliders are too thin

    --- for fine adjustments have you experimented with using the numerical value field? Make the numerical window active then use the up and down arrow key to change the value by 1 or SHIFT and the arrow key (Using Windows, must be something similar using a Mac) to change by a value of 10. I think that a device with a scroll wheel function would offer the same sort of fine adjustment much more readily than a graphical slide bar can.

    - one key to display the current image in full screen (without any palette), such as “Fâ€

    --- Have you experimented with the various custom settings available with the F10/F11 keys?

    - Offer a view where all the tools that have been used (changed from their default settings) are visible. Currently there is no simple way to understand all the changes we have applied to an image; we have to browse through each Tool Tab and check each Tool’s sliders and values

    --- I agree but can see a small processing overhead. Meanwhile using the Adjustment Clipboard for the image may help you.

    Layers
    - ability to apply all tools to a selection, not only the whole image. At least “Curve†and “High Dynamic Rangeâ€

    --- I can agree with this although I think that the underlying C1 approach makes this less critical than might be the case for other approaches. I think it might also make things very process intensive and complex but I don't know for certain.


    - ability to adjust the opacity of a layer afterwards, not only before applying the brush

    --- again I agree BUT the process used is a sort of additive 'artisitic' approach meaning that the layer does not necessarily have a consistent opacity to adjust. The artistic solution is to allow us to erase with an adjustable opacity using the brush metaphor. Perhaps having both the brush approach AND and overall opacity level would be possible?


    - ability to select different blend modes for layers (lighten, screen, overlay, multiply, darken)
    - improve the edge detection on the brush tool; make it easier to detour objects

    Black & white tool
    - make it easier to use the color sensitivity: instead of guessing which slider to drag when trying to affect colors, it would be much easier to be able to act directly on the image while the sliders (1 or more) are adjusting automatically (I believe this is the way Lightroom works)

    Noise reduction advanced
    - Add the possibility to adjust the amount of grain separately in the highlights, mid tones, shadows

    Documentation
    - improve the help website by giving insights not only on how to use the tools, but more on how the tools work (explain what the tool does to the image)

    Misc
    - Speed up the launch of Capture One (and yes it is running on an SSD)

    --- There are so many variables involved here that are outside the control of the software developers that I don't think you can really include this on a wish list. If all users found C1 unacceptably slow then fair enough but that is not the case. The way I use C1 (Sessions, some of them with very large numbers of files in a folder) on my Windows machine it is certainly fast enough when opening and rarely "slow" in any way when processing (unless windows has decided to do something in the background.)

    - Offer more “Styles†(with the standard package - or make more available through the blog)

    --- I'm not big on styles usage. However it seems to me that we can make our own styles and perhaps build a community that creates and shares styles for those that want them?

    - Ability to upload to photography websites such as smugmug, etc
    - Open up more for third-party plugins

    --- Without a Photoshop style of editing architecture I'm not sure how that could be achieved. Plus you need people to take up developments for the SDK you make available to them. So you might need to pester the plug-in makers to approach Capture One before you can establish whether or not there really is a market for such a development.



    - Give the option to save embedded JPGs in the RAW files. It might be against the nature of Capture One, but that would greatly help when using a third party cataloguing tool such as Photo Mechanic, without having to export additional JPGs in the same directory. It might also not be possible due to proprietary format (?).

    --- presumably that would also mean having to store 2 jpgs - the camera generated original and the 'edit' preview. Or should that be multiple jpgs if the original file has multiple edited versions? I can't see it happening. Moreover the idea of basing an archive catalog on proprietory RAW files may be questionable. (But then so might reliance on TIFF files as an alternative!)

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    Two last questions to this forum:

    - do you know of any good expert book on Capture One Pro ? I could not find any on Amazon. I have bought the Luminous Landscape training and will start watching next week, but I would definitively like to find a specialized book on C1P.


    - I have a small problem with my prints (Epson R2880). Whereas I simply had to add more brightness to the image in CNX2 to have it perfectly match between the screen and the print (my screen is calibrated for Adobe RGB), in C1P I also need to add more overall saturation - and by quite a bit. I am of course using soft proofing but that doesn't help. Let me know if you think I should open a specific thread on this

    Looking forward to receiving your feedbacks!


    Interesting post.

    Might be worth getting it moved to the non OS specific thread since most, perhaps all, of the content seems to be general rather than OS specific.


    Grant
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  • jknights
    Agree with the enhancement requests that you identify.


    Might be best to copy your OP into a Support Request on the PhaseOne website.
    Unfortunately they dont use the forum here as a method of entry into the enhancement request process.
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  • jacques
    Thanks all for your comments.

    [quote="SFA" wrote:


    Usability / display
    - be able to edit color tags within the browser (possible for stars, why not for colors tags?) - is it a bug ?

    --- This is possible in my Windows installation. Right click and navigate or use the numeric keypad shortcuts

    Indeed the right click works. However I do not understand why the star rating can be done directly (under each vignette in the browser) and not the color tag; it does not make much sense to me. Enabling it would avoid right click -> menu selection -> color selection.


    [quote="SFA" wrote:

    - associate hot keys to switch quickly between Workspaces (e.g. ALT-1 for workspace 1, ALT-2 for workspace 2 etc)

    --- So many hot key options already there might not be any combinations left! You could ass the Workspace selector to the menu bar and get single click/highlight the workspace you want action form that.

    In some ways hot keys may be a challenge to use, especially try to manage them with multiple custom workspaces?


    You are right, there are indeed already many hot keys! My request comes from my usage of CNX2. I used to switch particularly between 2 main workspaces: full screen browser and image editor. To switch I used ALT-1 and ALT-2, making it extremely quick (instead of clicking) and efficient.


    [quote="SFA" wrote:

    - display the active proof profile just underneath the image (make it always visible)

    --- Yep, reasonable idea. Bear in mind though that ICC setting in the output profile influences what happens if you have the default set accordingly. So if you are using the Output Profile to control the appearance of outputs having that tool open provides the information you are looking for. Unless you always use the same output profile the idea of Proofing on screen for one profile and potentially having a different profile in the Output process does not seem ideal.

    My idea goes no further than displaying the active profile selected in View -> Proof Profile. Reason is that I once changed the proof profile to a specific one tailored for my printer and paper, adjusted my image, printed the image ... and forgot that I had this proof profile enabled. I ended up making adjustments to other images with the proof profile for my printer enabled ...


    [quote="SFA" wrote:

    - display the degrees while using the “Straighten†tool (on top of the dotted line for example)

    --- You can display the Rotation tool to see the adjustment in degrees. I find it interesting but I'm not sure it offers much assistance. In the other hand I tend to use the rotation tool 99% of the time rather than the straighten line option.

    Thanks for the idea; I started using this Rotation tool a bit more. It is indeed very close to what I would need. Not sure on your PC, but on my Mac (fairly recent one) the rotation is not very smooth, making it a bit difficult to achieve the needed rotation in one go. Maybe it is just about getting used to it.


    [quote="SFA" wrote:

    - make the sliders (e.g. Hue and Saturation in Split Tones) a bit bigger - it is particularly difficult to see the nuances as the sliders are too thin

    --- for fine adjustments have you experimented with using the numerical value field? Make the numerical window active then use the up and down arrow key to change the value by 1 or SHIFT and the arrow key (Using Windows, must be something similar using a Mac) to change by a value of 10. I think that a device with a scroll wheel function would offer the same sort of fine adjustment much more readily than a graphical slide bar can.

    I did not get this one. What is the "numerical window" ?


    [quote="SFA" wrote:

    - one key to display the current image in full screen (without any palette), such as “Fâ€

    --- Have you experimented with the various custom settings available with the F10/F11 keys?

    I did not get this one either, sorry 😊
    Here again this comes from CNX2. One key and I could see my image in full screen mode, all palettes hidden. That made it easier and quicker to judge the quality of my image.


    [quote="SFA" wrote:

    - Offer a view where all the tools that have been used (changed from their default settings) are visible. Currently there is no simple way to understand all the changes we have applied to an image; we have to browse through each Tool Tab and check each Tool’s sliders and values

    --- I agree but can see a small processing overhead. Meanwhile using the Adjustment Clipboard for the image may help you.

    Agreed, it helps.


    [quote="SFA" wrote:

    Layers
    - ability to apply all tools to a selection, not only the whole image. At least “Curve†and “High Dynamic Rangeâ€

    --- I can agree with this although I think that the underlying C1 approach makes this less critical than might be the case for other approaches. I think it might also make things very process intensive and complex but I don't know for certain.

    Fair point. But it seems odd to me that some specific tools only can be used in the layers.


    [quote="SFA" wrote:

    - ability to adjust the opacity of a layer afterwards, not only before applying the brush

    --- again I agree BUT the process used is a sort of additive 'artisitic' approach meaning that the layer does not necessarily have a consistent opacity to adjust. The artistic solution is to allow us to erase with an adjustable opacity using the brush metaphor. Perhaps having both the brush approach AND and overall opacity level would be possible?

    To clarify my idea: I like how it is now, but I would like to be able to select the overall opacity level for each layer afterwards. Opacity at layer level would increase / decrease the opacity by the same amount on the layer itself, keeping of course the adjustments made via the brush.



    [quote="SFA" wrote:

    - Offer more “Styles†(with the standard package - or make more available through the blog)

    --- I'm not big on styles usage. However it seems to me that we can make our own styles and perhaps build a community that creates and shares styles for those that want them?

    Indeed we can create our own styles. And I think your idea of a community is really great; maybe a specific section in the forum would help.


    [quote="SFA" wrote:

    - Give the option to save embedded JPGs in the RAW files. It might be against the nature of Capture One, but that would greatly help when using a third party cataloguing tool such as Photo Mechanic, without having to export additional JPGs in the same directory. It might also not be possible due to proprietary format (?).

    --- presumably that would also mean having to store 2 jpgs - the camera generated original and the 'edit' preview. Or should that be multiple jpgs if the original file has multiple edited versions? I can't see it happening. Moreover the idea of basing an archive catalog on proprietory RAW files may be questionable. (But then so might reliance on TIFF files as an alternative!)

    You raise a very good point about the multiple edited version. What I would like to see, for example, is an option when you right click on an image (or one of its variant) to "embed the jpg in raw file". That would make it clear that you can have only one of them, not many.

    However I admit that it sounds against the nature of C1P to avoid touching at the original RAW file. I dearly miss though a catalogue application that is fast (such as Photo Mechanic) and that can read C1P's adjustments (the promoted variant should be the one displayed in the catalogue). Media Pro seems dead, and C1P itself as catalogue software is in my opinion too slow and not as efficient and usable as (again) Photo Mechanic. I would not mind using Photo Mechanic but I hate the idea having to export jpgs as additional images to reflect the adjustments of C1P.
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  • SFA
    I think things may get a bit messy trying to embed comments but I'll try a few short ideas as a list.

    1. Setting colour in browser.

    I suspect that being able to set a single value in a data field with only 6 options is technically easier to fit in that dealing with colours. 2 reasons. Colours are not based on industry standard values and that reduces the value of the concept in a multi-application approach. Plus they surely would not scale very well when re-sizing the browser to very small thumbnail sizes. There may well also be some technical considerations as well. The numeric keypad approach seems to work well for my use of colours but I appreciate it may not suit everyone.

    2. Proof Profile

    I understand the problem although I suspect that I would eventually become so used to 'seeing' the information about the profile in use that I would not really take much notice of it.

    The best way to deal with this requirement, I think, is to set up specific process recipes for each output variation that you use regularly and make sure that process recipe is set for the edit activity. Of course that may mean that you need multiple variants of each image in every case. I'm not sure whether there is an effective way to work with a single variant and then subsequent print tuning (more than proofing and possibly beyond even a dedicated printer profile) that would be sufficiently accurate and consistent for high quality printing work. Printing seems to be a black art in that respect.

    However, even if basic the workflow on the process recipe rather than the proof profile the ability to quickly view/check which profile is active would be useful. Personally I would place it at the top of the image, perhaps next to the layer indicator.


    3. Rotation.

    There is a processing overhead for every change so the rotation may seem jerky but I find it accurate enough and not excessively jerky. I would guess it can vary a lot with image and compute power.

    In the numerical value box using the up and down cursor control keys changes the rotation by .1 degree for each click. Use the shift key to change this to 1 full degree per click.

    For finer tuning estimate a numerical value for the rotation and key it in. That, in theory, would provide accuracy to .01 of a degree.

    Of course sometimes there is a compromise between accuracy and what looks right to the eye no matter which method is used!


    4. Split Tone adjustment.

    The numerical value is (at least in my installation) displayed in a box to the right of the slider. The scale is 0 to 360 for Hue and 0 to 100 for saturation offering more control more easily than the slider alone can provide.

    It's the same idea as suggested for the Rotation tool.



    5. One key to get to full screen.

    F11 key (in Windows) is the "Full Screen" key BUT you can also customise to some extent what you view in Full Screen.

    If you also use the dedicated F10 key to bring up the viewer in a separate window you will get the viewer minus the tools and the browser but with some other facilities available (can be customised) and this may be close to what you are looking for. F11 may also have en effect on this screen depending on how it has been customised.


    6. Layers.

    It's not unusual to have restrictions. As I recall Lightroom was the same when layers were introduced.

    I also use some other software that has a layers concept that, I think, work somewhat differently "under the hood". That application introduced the option for just about every possible type of adjustment in every relevant tool several years ago and each tool instance can have its effect restricted to specific parts of the image. In effect each tool is also a layer and can be made to change only part of the image.

    Computationally it is, I think, quite a different approach. Also a different image control philosophy.

    Also there are some tools in C1 that do not exist in the other application and that I would imagine would make the entire process much more complicated of they did. Lens correction could be one example.


    7. Layer Opacity.

    The ability to adjust opacity for a Gradient Mask would be a good addition no matter what becomes possible for general brush based masking. Or at least I think it would.



    Grant
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  • Permanently deleted user
    I would like:

    Tethered bracketing in a wide range for DSLRs. I would like to press the button in C1 once and get the correct exposure and maybe 2 or 3 over- and underexposured files.

    In the viewer in manual sort it should be more intuitive to move pictures from one place to the other.

    In printing contact sheets I would need more possibilities to annotate e.g. metadata-fields like keywords. Aperture is the only program that allows different selections.
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  • jacques
    Hi Grant,

    [quote="SFA" wrote:

    2. Proof Profile

    I understand the problem although I suspect that I would eventually become so used to 'seeing' the information about the profile in use that I would not really take much notice of it.

    The best way to deal with this requirement, I think, is to set up specific process recipes for each output variation that you use regularly and make sure that process recipe is set for the edit activity. Of course that may mean that you need multiple variants of each image in every case. I'm not sure whether there is an effective way to work with a single variant and then subsequent print tuning (more than proofing and possibly beyond even a dedicated printer profile) that would be sufficiently accurate and consistent for high quality printing work. Printing seems to be a black art in that respect.


    That is interesting, and I will certainly spend more time thinking on this idea of process recipes and variants for printing purpose. I am still a bit too stuck into my CNX2 workflow I believe 😊

    However, even if basic the workflow on the process recipe rather than the proof profile the ability to quickly view/check which profile is active would be useful. Personally I would place it at the top of the image, perhaps next to the layer indicator.

    Agreed, would be perfect for me too.



    [quote="SFA" wrote:

    3. Rotation.

    There is a processing overhead for every change so the rotation may seem jerky but I find it accurate enough and not excessively jerky. I would guess it can vary a lot with image and compute power.

    In the numerical value box using the up and down cursor control keys changes the rotation by .1 degree for each click. Use the shift key to change this to 1 full degree per click.

    For finer tuning estimate a numerical value for the rotation and key it in. That, in theory, would provide accuracy to .01 of a degree.

    Of course sometimes there is a compromise between accuracy and what looks right to the eye no matter which method is used!


    Got it, thanks.



    [quote="SFA" wrote:

    5. One key to get to full screen.

    F11 key (in Windows) is the "Full Screen" key BUT you can also customise to some extent what you view in Full Screen.

    If you also use the dedicated F10 key to bring up the viewer in a separate window you will get the viewer minus the tools and the browser but with some other facilities available (can be customised) and this may be close to what you are looking for. F11 may also have en effect on this screen depending on how it has been customised.


    Not sure whether I am completely blind or not, but in the "edit shortcuts" functionality, I do not find the "Full Screen" key. It looks like on the Mac this is not customizable (??). I even tried to hack a bit by making a copy of the default shortcuts, edit the file that was created; I found a key called "toggleFullScreen", changed the key but nothing happened - the default shortcut still applies. Maybe I'll create another topic in this forum just for that issue.


    [quote="SFA" wrote:

    6. Layers.

    It's not unusual to have restrictions. As I recall Lightroom was the same when layers were introduced.

    I also use some other software that has a layers concept that, I think, work somewhat differently "under the hood". That application introduced the option for just about every possible type of adjustment in every relevant tool several years ago and each tool instance can have its effect restricted to specific parts of the image. In effect each tool is also a layer and can be made to change only part of the image.

    Computationally it is, I think, quite a different approach. Also a different image control philosophy.


    You nailed it. That is exactly what Capture NX2 (from Nikon) was about. Each "process step" that you added was a layer. Indeed that is a different approach that would require close to a full rework of C1P. Without going that far, they could keep the current layer approach but still extend it to other tools.


    [quote="SFA" wrote:

    7. Layer Opacity.

    The ability to adjust opacity for a Gradient Mask would be a good addition no matter what becomes possible for general brush based masking. Or at least I[i] think it would.[/i]

    Agreed.
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  • SFA
    F11 key

    Some confusion I think.

    F11 as a key has a fixed purpose (Full Screen) and as such is not readily customisable (on a Win machine) as far as I know.

    However there are a few adjustments one can make to the screen it calls up. Notably you can choose whether or not to view the menu row and the Toolbar by providing settings for the screen that is the basis for the 'full screen' display

    I don't claim it is 100% "Full Screen" as other applications may implement such a concept --- but it can be close for practical and useful purposes if your screen has enough resolution.



    Grant
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Full screen feature on Mac is different from Windows.

    This is hard-wired into OS X since Lion, and the command is Ctrl+Cmd+F (toggle, although Esc allows you to leave the full screen mode too). The mode is the same for all application that support the full screen mode.

    You can change the full screen keyboard shortcut from System Preferences > Keyboard > Shortcuts. Navigate to App Shortcuts. Add the new shortcut. Capture One will adapt that shortcut, as will other applications do.
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  • SFA
    [quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
    Full screen feature on Mac is different from Windows.



    Thanks Paul.

    That may explain the confusion.


    Grant
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  • jacques
    [quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
    Full screen feature on Mac is different from Windows.

    You can change the full screen keyboard shortcut from System Preferences > Keyboard > Shortcuts. Navigate to App Shortcuts. Add the new shortcut. Capture One will adapt that shortcut, as will other applications do.


    Thanks Paul, you taught me a new trick on Mac OS X. Works perfectly well now, and explains why this cannot be edited in the shortcuts of Capture One directly.
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  • Daniel Foster
    The main thing I want is a bulletproof catalog. It's hard to fully endorse the great raw conversions and editing features if you can't depend on the catalog to organize your work.
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