Photoshop?
As a new user to C1 and shooting with a new IQ280 I am coming to realize that the C1 workflow is missing the last part of the puzzle. After I curve and tone my images in C1 I often want to retouch them further with Photoshop (100% of the time). However, once you do that you are done with C1 and may never use that program again because it can't read my edited TIFF files. WHAT? Seriously? I have to open it in some other application to find the file and then figure out how to create a batch of recipes to export it?
Am I wrong here in that the entire exporting/watermarking system in C1 is only for those that never edit their images in an external program?
As much as I hate it, Lightroom re-imports my newly created edits so I can do my final sharpen/watermark/etc for the target media. I feel this is a HUGE missing part of C1, and frankly stopping me from using it. All I can really do now is import the RAW images in C1 and then immediately export them so I can re-import them re-import them into Lightroom so I can find and work on them. Wow, what happens when Lightroom can import IQQ files? Any guesses? ;-(
Seems that C1 with just a bit more on the back-end of the workflow process for those of us that edit our images externally would open a huge market place. I have read SO many complaints that all center on this basic missing part of C1. You have to support us re-importing our edited images in some format that works. TIFF appears to work, unless you have layer in it, in which case it fails. Sorry, but all of my images probably have 40+ layers and I am not about to flatten them.
Is C1 working on this, or am I just sticking to giving Adobe more money for Lightroom?
Here is what I need:
The ability to see my Output files in C1 AFTER I edit them (DNG, TIFF). I also don't expect I will have to go hunting for them, especially if C1 is the one that launched the Photoshop export in the first place.
Thoughts?
Am I wrong here in that the entire exporting/watermarking system in C1 is only for those that never edit their images in an external program?
As much as I hate it, Lightroom re-imports my newly created edits so I can do my final sharpen/watermark/etc for the target media. I feel this is a HUGE missing part of C1, and frankly stopping me from using it. All I can really do now is import the RAW images in C1 and then immediately export them so I can re-import them re-import them into Lightroom so I can find and work on them. Wow, what happens when Lightroom can import IQQ files? Any guesses? ;-(
Seems that C1 with just a bit more on the back-end of the workflow process for those of us that edit our images externally would open a huge market place. I have read SO many complaints that all center on this basic missing part of C1. You have to support us re-importing our edited images in some format that works. TIFF appears to work, unless you have layer in it, in which case it fails. Sorry, but all of my images probably have 40+ layers and I am not about to flatten them.
Is C1 working on this, or am I just sticking to giving Adobe more money for Lightroom?
Here is what I need:
The ability to see my Output files in C1 AFTER I edit them (DNG, TIFF). I also don't expect I will have to go hunting for them, especially if C1 is the one that launched the Photoshop export in the first place.
Thoughts?
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I'd suggest to check whether you have JPG/Tiff editing enabled in C1. You could further edit the output file (JPG, TIFF) in PS, open it then again in C1, for example for adding a watermark or to generate a smaller sized ouput.
Edit: Have a look under Edit / Preferences / Image / Editing
There the file types should be checked as to allow for editing them in C1. Case you're working in tethered mode there may be differences and I don't know whether then C1 allows for editing these file types. But in this case I'm sure someone will step in with help.0 -
I have that enabled, but a TIFF with more than one layer seems to be ignored or does not refresh in C1.
Creating a JPG in order to re-import it to watermark and export once again is a sign there is some major headbanging going on somewhere in the workflow. A $40,000 camera should not be reduced to multiple iterations of JPG exporting, as each pass is a quality loss. It would be akin to running it through the Facebook compression mess just to add a watermark.
Thanks for taking the time at finding a possible solution, but in the end that won't really work.
Any other ideas?
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I haven't had any problems with my PS Tiff images in CO so it could be just a config issue.
Go to the filters tool and make sure you don't have "Always Hide Processed TIFF Files" selected under the Global Filters option.0 -
It isn't hidden by the filters. I have aTIF I edited in Photoshop, and right next to it is a JPG. I see the JPG, but not the TIF. Both are in the Output folder. I can click on the JPG and say Show In Explorer, and there they both are.
This is really frustrating!
How am I supposed to get my work back into CO for the final recipes and watermarking for the target media? Is it assumed no one edits anything? I can't even get it to see the TIF when I try and do an Import.0 -
Do you use catalogs or sessions? Catalogs cannot re-import the exported files automatically. However using Sessions can do just that.
Sadly CO cannot read layered tiffs, but please put in a feature request for it with our Support-team.0 -
[quote="NNN634523208431475184" wrote:
I have that enabled, but a TIFF with more than one layer seems to be ignored or does not refresh in C1.
Creating a JPG in order to re-import it to watermark and export once again is a sign there is some major headbanging going on somewhere in the workflow. A $40,000 camera should not be reduced to multiple iterations of JPG exporting, as each pass is a quality loss. It would be akin to running it through the Facebook compression mess just to add a watermark.
Thanks for taking the time at finding a possible solution, but in the end that won't really work.
Any other ideas?
-sed
If you have exported and further edited why do you need to re-import to add a watermark and re-export? Could you do that in your 'external' editor?
Have you had an opportunity to discuss your challenge with your IQ280 vendor support people? Given the price of the back, as you have pointed out, I would anticipate they could be willing to help where they can. Or a direct support request to the Capture One team might be useful - you do not mention whether you have created one already.
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If you have exported and further edited why do you need to re-import to add a watermark and re-export? Could you do that in your 'external' editor?
The vendor had the same comment. Basically the CO mentality appears to be that I should have 4 or 5 copies of my HUGE file for different media and watermarks.
Using Lightroom as an example, I can batch export a Facebook low resolution (with watermark), Print Resolution (sharpened for glossy), Print Resolution (sharpened for matte paper), Google+ Full Resolution (with watermark), Magazine Submission (not sharpened, no watermark, full res). Now, CO has these wonderful recipes that do the same thing, but since I can't get it to see my stupid photo once I edit it, all of those features are worthless. I have no intention of keeping 5+ copies of a 2gb image around when I can use Lightroom and have one.
What I did yesterday was import all of my images into CO and then turn right around and export them as TIF documents and then imported them into Lightroom and purged CO, since I no longer need it (or, it can no longer be used). That was a huge amount of effort in an attempt to add CO to my workflow. If the RAW converter in Lightroom gets better, I can see CO being the first thing I drop, since Lightroom already reads IIQ files.
Without the ability to use the recipes, I can see my CO usage being short lived.
I can't believe I am the first person to be frustrated by this.
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[quote="NNN634523208431475184" wrote:
If you have exported and further edited why do you need to re-import to add a watermark and re-export? Could you do that in your 'external' editor?
The vendor had the same comment. Basically the CO mentality appears to be that I should have 4 or 5 copies of my HUGE file for different media and watermarks.
Using Lightroom as an example, I can batch export a Facebook low resolution (with watermark), Print Resolution (sharpened for glossy), Print Resolution (sharpened for matte paper), Google+ Full Resolution (with watermark), Magazine Submission (not sharpened, no watermark, full res). Now, CO has these wonderful recipes that do the same thing, but since I can't get it to see my stupid photo once I edit it, all of those features are worthless. I have no intention of keeping 5+ copies of a 2gb image around when I can use Lightroom and have one.
What I did yesterday was import all of my images into CO and then turn right around and export them as TIF documents and then imported them into Lightroom and purged CO, since I no longer need it (or, it can no longer be used). That was a huge amount of effort in an attempt to add CO to my workflow. If the RAW converter in Lightroom gets better, I can see CO being the first thing I drop, since Lightroom already reads IIQ files.
Without the ability to use the recipes, I can see my CO usage being short lived.
I can't believe I am the first person to be frustrated by this.
-sed
We cannot read Adobe layer information as we do not have access to Adobes drawing engine (the same the other way around, you cannot import a CO .eip in Adobe software, and expect to see lens-correction, same colors and contrast and so on).
I don't see why you should need 5 versions by the way? 2 should do. Your original layered file, and then a flattened version. Create an action in Photoshop, and this steps takes 1 second. This flat tiff file can then be seen and manipulated by CO, and you can apply all the recipe you want.
Do you use the DAM capabilities if LR? If you don't, maybe you should consider using a Session based workflow instead of Catalogs?0 -
Thanks for the reply, and for the suggestion. I will give it a try and see how it goes. It might be advantageous to pick-up the adobe engine reading ability at some point, as a lot of people would probably switch to CO if they could resolve the problem facing me today.
-sed0
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