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Spot healing - what's coming?

Thomas Starlit
Hi,

What are the development plans for the spot and healing tools? As discussed in a few other threads, the spot healing tool in C1 is inadequate. Even in Phase One's own video "Simple Guide to Portrait Adjustment" the problems with the tool are apparent (for skin work it destroys the texture and quite often gets the tones wrong too). Using a healing layer works great, but you can only have one source, so you'd need as many layers as there are spots to heal. Not ideal. Making a roundtrip to PS or Affinity Photo just to remove one blemish is not ideal either. So the tool has to be fixed or C1 should be opened up for plug-ins like Apple Photo has it.

I was quite disappointed that release 9.3 did not really include any updates to the editing platform itself, so I am very curious to know what the next release will encompass, or at least if there is anything coming for the healing tools?

Thanks,

Thomas
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  • Drugstore
    You don't need a layer for every spot to heal. But nevertheless you can only fix a max of 99 spots. I had this problem several times when you are doing live events and sometimes you have lot of dust in the air depending on the lighting. I opened a case some time ago to remove the max number of 99 but nothing happens...

    I also think that the support process sucks as they ALWAYS don't understand? what you are talking about so they give the ticket back to you but you don't get a mail that someone want's an answer and after a certain time they just close the ticket. That's why I no long create a support case.
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  • Thomas Starlit
    [quote="NN635299624516976000UL" wrote:
    You don't need a layer for every spot to heal. But nevertheless you can only fix a max of 99 spots. I had this problem several times when you are doing live events and sometimes you have lot of dust in the air depending on the lighting. I opened a case some time ago to remove the max number of 99 but nothing happens...
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    Well, you do need a layer for each source. Meaning that if you set the source for the healing to be, say, 100px left and 80 px down, then all mask will use the same offset for their source. In PS you have a separate source for each spot you heal which is the only way to go.
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  • Drugstore
    [quote="Froxxon" wrote:
    [quote="NN635299624516976000UL" wrote:
    You don't need a layer for every spot to heal. But nevertheless you can only fix a max of 99 spots. I had this problem several times when you are doing live events and sometimes you have lot of dust in the air depending on the lighting. I opened a case some time ago to remove the max number of 99 but nothing happens...
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    Well, you do need a layer for each source. Meaning that if you set the source for the healing to be, say, 100px left and 80 px down, then all mask will use the same offset for their source. In PS you have a separate source for each spot you heal which is the only way to go.


    NO you don't. Use the heal tool and you don't have to select a source for it like in PS. You also don't need a separate layer. If not sure just read the manual, i.e. Local Adjustment Tools. Hope that helps:

    From the manual:
    "The Heal tool works slightly differently. Capture One Pro automatically blends the colors and brightness of the sampled area with the adjacent pixels of the target area. For most repair work, particularly skin blemishes or large expanses of sky with a slight gradient, the Heal tool should be the first choice. Repairs along edges are more suited to the Clone tool."
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  • Mark Moore
    I think that you are confusing the spot and the layer tools.

    The "spot" tool only allows circular patches. The patches have options only for "spot" and "dust". You can have quite a lot of spots, but the source data used to patch is chosen automatically and the corrections can only be circular. These are ok for tiny point imperfections, but no use for larger areas (such as fibres on scanned film).

    The local adjustment layers permit "cloning" and "healing". Both of these require specification of a source position (try it!), and only one source can be set per layer - a restriction which seriously limits the feature. These give better results to the spot tools, but the one-source-per-layer limitation makes them impractical if a moderate number of edits are needed.

    I *really* wish that PO would address the limitations of local edits - Lightroom's functionality and results are far superior. I do a fair bit of dust and spot removal with scanned film and general macro/product photography and the CO tools are almost unusable for this. Currently I ignore the tools in CO and use Photoshop CS6 instead - but if it becomes necessary to take out a CC subscription it will be very difficult to justify also paying for CO
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Actually, you CAN manually select the spot/heal source (but still only one source/layer). After C1's auto-selected the source, just move the source circle to the location you want. C1 shows a live preview of the results within the destination circle.

    I still haven't figured out how C1 decides where the default source circle will go, though.
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  • Ian Wilson
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    You don't have to wait for C1 to auto-select the source. You can start by using Alt-click to select it before you brush anywhere. And if you don't, then where it auto selects can be pretty random.

    Ian
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