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RAW to JPEG conversion - different look

meste
HI to all,

I got the trial version of latest C1PRO and I use a Canon 350D but I don't know how to make the bet out of C1PRO in respect to this issue:

I shoot RAW & JPEG in the camera but the JPEG I convert in C1PRO looks pale compared to the RAW or even to the JPEG out of the camera. Can anyone tell me what is to be done? I tried colour saturation, brightness etc - I may be unexperience or what? I don't think this is due to the fact that I use trial version but to do with the buttons. The software that comes with Canon does a lot better in this respect.

any help would be great, thanks,
Serban
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  • Anonymous
    meste,

    The Trial versions are unrestricted.

    There is a World of difference in image quality between a JPEG from RAW conversion and an in-camera processed JPEG. For best JPEG from Capture One, use the Process tab rather than QuickProofs.

    This sounds like a color profile issue. If you set your in-camera space to Adobe RGB, them be sure as well to set your Color Management settings to the same destination profile, Output to Destination must be set at Process tab as well.
    Workflow > Show Color Management settings


    Sincerely,
    k c
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  • meste
    I did exactly what you said, that is why I asked in the forum, I am using the same colour management but still differencies

    I wonder if anybody else is experiencing the same issue

    thanks,
    mmeste
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  • RonaldDekker
    Goodday,

    I have notice the same thing. I experience the pale result with the last version 3.7.1 but also with the older 3.6.

    I have a Canon 10D. When i use the program from Canon to convert the RAW to JPEG the results are good and not pale and more \"alive\". Also when I use InfranView that convert the Raw with the WIA driver The results are good.

    I'm very interested in the solution, hopefuly somebody know it

    Ronald Dekker
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  • Anonymous
    Good Color Management can be a Science unto itself...

    Be sure to load only RAW files into Capture One Session folder directly from CF card. If shooting tethered, set camera to capture RAW only.
    Do not use any other software with RAW images prior to Capture One.

    The PRO version has a proofing mode, LE does not.
    What is set as the Proof Destination in Color Management?
    Is Color Management enabled? – It is the icon above Preview area.

    Is your Monitor calibrated? If so, then is the created profile selected at the Monitor Profile area of the Color Management window?

    What other software are you using to do this comparison?
    If comparing color in Photoshop, do you have the settings to maintain the embedded color profile?
    Are you soft proofing in Photoshop?
    CMYK is the default color space if you don’t have the correct profile set. Comparing color in other softwares that do not support fully color managed displays is insufficient.

    Please also see Knowledge Base articles:
    http://support.phaseone.com/KB/Home/Sea ... nguageID=1

    monitor calibration:
    http://support.phaseone.com/KB/Home/Sea ... nguageID=1


    See http://www.phaseone.com/upload/color__m ... _guide.pdf for further information on using Color Management with Capture One.


    Hope this helps out.

    Sincerely,
    kc
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  • RonaldDekker
    Be sure to load only RAW files into Capture One Session folder directly from CF card. If shooting tethered, set camera to capture RAW only.
    Do not use any other software with RAW images prior to Capture One.

    So you are saying:
    CFcard->Hardiks->RAW-To-JPEG conversion C1PRO(no correction done)
    CFcard->Hardiks->RAW-To-JPEG conversion by CANON software (no correction done)

    on the same Computer does not result in the same results?????

    About \"Color Management\": If I understand correcly C1PRO does not correct the converted JPEG with the embedded .icm profiles in images and the software ware supplied by CANNON does. That is why JPEG made by C1PRO look pale and images converted by CANON software looks good and\"alive\"????????
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  • meste
    I am not sure if this is the case, but again I am not an expert. Why am I saying this: because Canon converter has also buttons to play with and when I am converting the RAW->JPEG I am leaving the defaults untouched, as in C1PRO.

    I am looking forward to go home after work and try more of these

    thanks,
    meste
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  • Anonymous
    If you open a RAW file in other software first, changes may be made to the image file. Capture One does not alter an original RAW file in any manner. Taking files directly to Capture One eliminates any variables. If you are trying to compare RAW conversions between software, or in-camera JPEGs, then you must eliminate as many variables as possible. You must also be sure to compare Apples to Apples and not Apples to Bowling Balls. By this I mean you must set the exact same color profile for the images to be compared. With in-camera processed JPEGs, there is a profile setting on most professional cameras. My point is, that if you choose in-camera JPEG to be Adobe RGB 1998, then when you process in Capture One, you must also set the Output Destination to be the same ICC color profile.

    The difference likely lies with a different profile, or by using a software to compare that does not color manage.
    Need details,
    Is your monitor color calibrated? If so, Is it loaded at Color Manager?
    What color profile is being output in Capture One?
    What software are you using to compare color of images?
    What is the White Balance setting of the camera?
    What WB adjustments are being made in Capture One?

    Yes, any adjustments made to the images from all the tools in Capture One affect the final output. To best analyze the result of these adjustments, you need a color calibrated monitor, you need to view in Photoshop at 100%, and sometimes will need to make a print to truly analyze images, i.e. Sharpening.

    Again, while the DIGIC in-camera processor for Canon is a very good , there is no way you will get a better image quality compared to Capture One if all settings and adjustments are worked correctly.

    Regards,
    kc
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  • RonaldDekker
    I think you miss understood me, I shoot my photo’s in RAW format. Than I copy the RAW image to my PC. And then I convert the RAW image first by C1 and then by FileViewer 1.2 by Canon. I don’t use the DIGIC in-camera processor to extract a JPEG. When I do in both programs no adjustments the results are different. The results are compared in Adope ImageReady 7.0(color management Adobe 1998)

    For as far as I know by FileViewer 1.2 by Canon do no changes at the RAW format.

    I hope this give you enough information. I will try to get a solution because I like C1 and his features.

    Ronald Dekker
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  • Ulf Liljegren
    The result will not be the same, they are developed by two different RAW conversion engines.
    What you should do is import the image, use settings and get the result you want, instead of worrying about having two software matching each other.
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