Does CO7 makes MP obsolete?
I do only use Media Pro, not Capture One, so i only ask this because the things i red about the new release (7) of CO.
It appears that now the DAM functionality of MP is added. Does this mean that MP will dissapear in the future?
(Is the DAM functionality of CO7 comparable?)
Roelof
It appears that now the DAM functionality of MP is added. Does this mean that MP will dissapear in the future?
(Is the DAM functionality of CO7 comparable?)
Roelof
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I can't speak from experience (since I don't use either CO7 or MP), but the screenshots on the "Organize and Select" section of the CO7 product page look very much like the MP interface, and the feature descriptions ("Comprehensive digital asset management") read very much like MP features. Phase One's press release says that CO7 incorporates "powerful digital asset management features found in Media Pro." It doesn't say how many features. But if Phase One eventually integrates all of MP's DAM features, I wouldn't be surprised. Over a year ago I predicted that the software programs would be merged. Recall this question from the Media Pro FAQ page: [quote="Phase One" wrote:
Will Media Pro be integrated with Capture One?
Phase One’s initial focus has been to create new workflow benefits to photographers when they use Media Pro and Capture One together.
It is Phase One’s general policy not to comment on future releases. However, customers can expect that Phase One will continue to invest in professional photo management and image editing software and make the combined toolset the most effective choice for photographers who need to manage very large, high quality image files and collections in a fast and efficient photography workflow.
Capture One provides state-of-the-art photo editing tools that will assist photographers in achieving the perfect look for every image. Media Pro complements Capture One with its professional photo management capabilities.
Obviously, since they didn't answer "no," I think it's clear that they always intended to merge CO and MP into one software program. From an efficiency standpoint, I imagine Phase One might prefer to stop developing MP as a separate program. If so, it would be a shame; I prefer a standalone DAM and was waiting/hoping that Phase One would eventually create a less buggy version of MP. Of course I am only speculating, but I suspect I have been waiting in vain.0 -
CO7 is very slow to import images and make previous. Till then it's almost impossible to use it, so MP is fast then stay with it (I never used MP ) 0 -
Media Pro is still being developed as far as I know and has more serious DAM features than Capture One 7, or Lightroom and Aperture for that matter. Media Pro competes more with Portfolio and Cumulus.
As long as Media Pro is economically viable I'd say Phase One will support it but they have to keep it relevant for end users.
-- Robert.0 -
Robert,
Tried to have a look at your DAMsimple.com website, but it wants me to install wordpress.
Not so sure everything is fine and dandy with your site. Just a heads up.0 -
I imagine Phase One might prefer to stop developing MP as a separate program. If so, it would be a shame; I prefer a standalone DAM and was waiting/hoping that Phase One would eventually create a less buggy version of MP. Of course I am only speculating, but I suspect I have been waiting in vain.
That was the main reason to ask the question. Does it make sense for me to wait for a decent version of MP?
@RobertMedia Pro is still being developed as far as I know and has more serious DAM features than Capture One 7, or Lightroom and Aperture for that matter. Media Pro competes more with Portfolio and Cumulus.
What are those 'more serious DAM features' you have in mind that MP do have and CO-7 not?
Roelof0 -
You can't be a digital asset management tool if you won't manage all digital assets. CO7 ignores psd's the eventual output format of most photographers on the planet. So CO7 is not yet a serious addition to a smooth workflow. In fact CO7 is an impediment to smooth workflow. 0 -
Roelof - most of Media Pro is left out! Small sample: search for missing items, find duplicates, as NN143548UL1 wrote managing all file formats not just digital camera files. Then there's the bugs! DNG is broken and catalog import falls over.
No.1 feature for DAM is reliability and CO7 isn't there - yet. Maybe v7.01 and there is definite room to improve which Phase One can and does do. I'm really impressed with the speed of this first version and some of the unique features like offline raw adjustments.
HCS - thanks there was a bug on my site with a redirect. 😄
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Ok, thanks for the feedback. I could not make it up out of the press release and release notes(?)
And because i don't use CO it was not my first choice to install the trial version to find out the differences myself.
I'm glad to here that CO7 is not a serious alternative to MP when ik comes to DAM.
That gives me hope on more and ongoing development of MP.
Roelof0 -
Roelof I reckon the next Media Pro update will simply be to make it compatible with Capture One 7.
-- Robert.0 -
[quote="rmoorlag" wrote:
I do only use Media Pro, not Capture One, so i only ask this because the things i red about the new release (7) of CO.
It appears that now the DAM functionality of MP is added. Does this mean that MP will dissapear in the future?
(Is the DAM functionality of CO7 comparable?)
Roelof
I have made some trialing with CO7 (I normally use CO6 and MP). I think that talk about DAM features in CO7 is just sales talk. Answer is no, it is not containing such features (in my opinion) that can be found in MP (if it only works!). Those features in CO7 are different kind of filtering features based on what you have as parameters (categories, keywording+ IPTC and XMP-parameters) set in MP. Outlook of interfacing with those parameters is similar in CO7 and MP.
Entering those parameters in CO7 is a pain. It is as lousy to do as it is in CO6, that is why we need MP also in the future.
Unfortunately, in my tests I could not import MP catalog into CO7 right (of some 30k imapges I got only 5% imported).
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NOOOOOOOOOO......... 0 -
it would be obsolete - at least - if the metadata synchronisation in COne works as the on in MP AND does not kill all former (non COne) entries, despite the settings and/or unpredictable crashes.
hmmm, if I think about the last point, I often think just a second before executing a command in MP "Yeah, that might kill it" and, yap,in 75% of all cases MP really crashes. So that seems to be predictable 😊)
tom0 -
Fro what I have seen now trying out MP 1.4, the combination of the use of both drifts more and more away from using MP as a primary cataloguing and managing platform IN FRONT of editing the pictures with COne towards a "backend post-prcessing-piece of software" w/o any reasonable value!
All unique features have been thrown away in order to force the users NOT to use MP as a primary step. This in combination with the incompatible mapping of EXIF data AND the stepping back to use "ISO-Latin-something-charactersets" instead of using state of the art utf-coding additionally causes business impacts to the photographer, because NOW all pictures are rejected by agencies which include cryptical substitutions of utf-characters to ISO-jada-jada-jada cryptical characters like °ŒıÇ™Åñ’Æ etc.
Good job for WARPING!
saludos redondos -
tom0 -
[quote="Thomas248" wrote:
Fro what I have seen now trying out MP 1.4, the combination of the use of both drifts more and more away from using MP as a primary cataloguing and managing platform IN FRONT of editing the pictures with COne towards a "backend post-prcessing-piece of software" w/o any reasonable value!
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I would respectfully disagree at this point. It isn't necessarily that I love MP, but that the catalog capabilities of CO are not anywhere close to a real DAM for me. And I would not like to see CO waste valuable software developer time on this, but to put the effort into optimizing the processing engines.
That said, I am currently using MP as my front end to CO7 in a sessions mode. I don't use the catalog mode.
I import my photos onto my hard drive, currently with Lightroom. I find that easier and more flexible, esp for renaming photos as I import them. I then import them into MP in a small new catalog, which is very fast if I use WIC as the processing engine.
I keyword, sort and rate them in MP. I find the keyword capabilities of CO to be primitive.
I then use MP to drive only the higher rated photos, often in small groups, into a session of CO 7 for processing. This too is quick, as CO is too slow for me with a large number of photos. I have both MP and CO 7 open at the same time.
I then process them with CO 7, and eventually re-import them back into MP.
I only reprocess the CO processed photos in MP with the CO rendering engine.
Then I import the final small catalog into my "all photos" catalog and save it. That step is v slow.0 -
Jim,
you do not have to disagree - I think I used too much words 😊
COne WILL NOT MAKE MP/DAM OBSOLETE!
1. For sure, a standard workflow puts the RAW converter BEHIND the DAM, not in front of the renderer
2. With MP 1.4 it is - besides the crashes - it is nearly impossible to use it as a front end DAM
3. The changes made in MP 1.4 do NOT ALLOW to do all necessary steps regrading metatadata, keywords, etc. because they now cannot be written to the physical file - there is no synchronisation anymore
4. The combination of of MP 1.4 and COne 7.x drifts away from the capability of using MP as a DAM BEFORE using COne, because the changes from MP 1.3 to MP 1.4 do direct the user into a different direction.
saludos redondos -
tom0
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