Is possible to copy-apply layer adjustments?

SFA

October 25, 2015 11:15

This may not work for your requirements but the only way I can think of would be to make all of the adjustments to the "background image" using a layer (or more than one layer - invert the "mask" without painting one to cover the whole image with one click).

If you then copy the adjustments they will all be in the layer (or layers) which allows you turn it (or them) on and off or erase part of the mask to make the images with a specific subject unadjusted in the main subject area. Mask that area and adjust separately with its own layer of layers to separate the processing effects even further if desired - but be careful in case things start to look a little false with such separate processing.

If you have a complex set of edits as a regular requirement then a dedicated graphic editor of the PhotoShop type would probably be the choice for most people.

HTH.

Grant

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Permanently deleted user

October 25, 2015 12:07

To OP:

Not sure if I got it right but there are two ways of transferring adjustment settings from one image to another. The first is the general "Copy Adjustments" to the clipboard by hitting the arrow-up button in the top right section of the screen. And the second is hitting the small double-arrow symbol in the top section of the (in this case) "Local Adjustments" toolset. This will then copy only the settings for the Local Adjustments with the layers, masks and adjusted settings. But not other global corrections like exposure, recovery, colour and so on.

AFAIK it's not possible though to copy Local Adjustments and have the copied settings [b]added[/b] to another image. The settings of the target image will be always substituted by the copied in this transfer.

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NNN635656747947842588

October 25, 2015 22:06

Even in the case I use a layer mask, the general adjustments are applied to background layer. All image is affected, doesnÂ´t matter if I do layers with masks or not.

The small double arrow symbol at local adjustments toolset seems not to do nothing... I can copy the adjustments to the clipboard, but it seems not to do nothing when I apply to another image.

What I want to do is copy a layer with his local adjustments and mask, etc and paste to a layer in another image.

I am not sure if I explained well... imagine two photos, the first with a not perfectly exposed bacground, and the second one with the same bacground, but with a person in front, perfectly exposed by a flash.

I will need to adjust the background exposure, is easy to do with the first photo... and the best way to do with the second, is a creating new layer masking the bacground and then apply the adjustments copied from the first one only to this mask, because the person is well exposed.

For same place and day photo series, (imagine 20 or 30 photos with same under or over exposed background) is a waste of time if you need to move sliders one at time again in every photo... I think for that reason you can copy and paste the adjustments from a photo to another one....but if you apply general adjustments, this will affect the person too, not only the bakground...

And I canÂ´t find a way to do it... even in the online manual there is no word about.

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SFA

October 26, 2015 02:10

[quote="NNN635656747947842588" wrote:
Even in the case I use a layer mask, the general adjustments are applied to background layer. All image is affected, doesnÂ´t matter if I do layers with masks or not.

What I want to do is copy a layer with his local adjustments and mask, etc and paste to a layer in another image.

Not all tools can be used in an adjustment layer.

Those can may have their SETTINGS copied from one variant and applied to another, different, image. However, reading your last post I think what you want to do is composite two images (or parts of two images) together. Capture One V8 is not designed to do that and is entirely non-destructive for editing and processing purposes.

You would need to perform such work in a tool like PhotoShop or something similar - a tool that was originally designed to do exactly that sort of job and came to RAW digital photo file interpretation and editing later in its development while still retaining its graphics/pixel editing capbilities.

HTH.

Grant

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October 26, 2015 10:52

Adding to Grant's reply, what also isn't possible is to copy "general" corrections of one image and apply them on a layer/mask of a second image.

However what can be done is to copy the entire set of "Local Adjustments" from one image to another (or an entire set of selected images). This can be helpful even if the images differ a bit because all what might be needed is to do some "Erase" / "Paint" of the mask to adjust for some small differences.

And the double arrow in the top section of each tool / sub tool does exactly that: it copies the adjusted settings of exactly this tool to the clipboard. In the dialog box which is shown then the user can (de)select in some tools individual parameters that he/she doesn't want to carry over to a different image. And hitting then the arrow down symbol of the top right section of the screen applies them to another image (or a set of selected images).

In your case of BG and main subject need different amounts of adjustments a possible solution would be to draw first a mask over your subject on a first adjustment layer. Then you create a second layer, copy the content of the first and invert it: ta-daaa. Of course some care is needed if the adjustments of the subject and the BG go into opposite directions because the transition can get visible.

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NNN635656747947842588

October 26, 2015 14:54

Maybe IÂ´m not explaining well...

I donÂ´t want to mix two different images, what I want to do is copy the layer with the mask and adjustments, and apply to another image (not the content of the image, just the layer mask and settings)

But I canÂ´t... I can copy and apply all the adjustments, not a layer only.
About the local adjustments, maybe I donÂ´t know how to do it, but I canÂ´t copy from one image and apply to another one... I donÂ´t see any change when tried. And I canÂ´t find how to in the online manual

Thanks for your support

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Permanently deleted user

October 26, 2015 17:18

To begin adjustment layers / masks are related to the performed changes. Creating a layer / painting a mask just does nothing.

But you're right that only "Adjustments" can be copied. If you're only interested in the drawn mask from the source image then you can simply hit the "Reset" button on each of the adjustment items which show a value different from default.

Now let's try together, step-by-step to go through the process of copying the Local Adjustments from a source image to a second image.

1) In the LA toolset you hit the + button to create an adjustment layer. By default it's named Layer 1
2) Hit the Draw Mask button and draw the mask (right clicking the mouse opens a dialog box for changes of the brush). If you dont see the mask, check in the middle top section of the screen under the Draw Mask in the options menu that "Always Display Mask" or at least "Only Display Mask When Drawing" is checked.
3) For this testing perform a relevant change, let's say the Exposure to +2,00
4) Now hit the double arrow button in the top section of the Local Adjustment toolset. A dialog box will appear with the "Local Adjustments" selection box checked. Confirm the copy.
5) Go to a different image.
6) Hit the arrow down in the top right section of the screen (Apply Adjustments).
7) In your target image you should see the Layer, the Mask and the setting applied.

That's it. It doesn't matter how many layers, masks, what settings were made: all the information is transferred to the target image(s) by this process. In the target image you simply can remove a not needed layer by marking it and hitting then the "-" button. Or you can create a new layer and use the content of another as source for a mask inversion.

Hope you get it sorted.

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NNN635656747947842588

October 26, 2015 22:16

[quote="Michael11" wrote:

5) Go to a different image.
6) Hit the arrow down in the top right section of the screen (Apply Adjustments).
7) In your target image you should see the Layer, the Mask and the setting applied.
Hope you get it sorted.

YES!!! ThatÂ´s the way to do it!! THANKS

If I do that, I can apply only the layers with mask and local adjustments to the new image, without affecting to the "background layer" .

So, to my example, I should add a new layer on the first image, create a full image mask, make the adjustments to this layer, copy local adjustments, open the second image, apply the adjustments, and erase the part of this layer mask over the person to leave the camera settings to the person. right?

Because, If I do the adjustments on the "background layer" on local adjustments on the first image, instead of on a new added layer, this adjustments will not be applied on the second image, right?

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October 27, 2015 11:17

Well, the only point to take into consideration is that masks in C1 work the opposite way as you may know from PS and similar. This is, in C1 the masked area is the active area where adjustments happen whereas in PS masking protects from changes.

Sooo if you want to work on the sky area like increasing contrast of the clouds and reducing a bit the brightest white you may use a gradient mask (in the mask brush type selection) and starting the fade out from somewhere around the middle of the sky region and push it until around the horizon line. Then you do your adjustments like increasing contrast a bit, perhaps reducing lightness and applying some highlight recovery.

If you want to do a similar adjustment on a second image you may simply copy the LA from the first. And if the horizon line is different all what's needed is to make the respective Layer the active one (clicking on it) and redraw the gradient mask (w/o changing the adjustment values which are then used on the new drawn mask). The erase brush as well as the draw mask brush may be used for local corrections of the mask for example if the horizon line isn't straight (mountains).

With LA you never work on the BG image. But it should be kept in mind that the the final processing sums up the changes on the BG and all LA layers. So for example if you define a +0,5EV exposure correction for the BG image and draw a LA layer which covers the entire image and define here a -0,5EV exposure correction, the resulting correction would be zero in the processed image. If the LA layer has only a partial masking, then in this case the resulting correction for the masked area would be zero concerning exposure correction.

Edit: The sequence of doing the corrections doesn't really matter, whether you mask the BG and work on it or you mask the subject and do the inverse. Some care is only needed with some corrections like sharpening for example which allow only an incremental adjustment on a LA layer so the work sequence does matter.

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Cliff Cheney

October 27, 2015 11:36

I just copied a layer adjustments and applying them also copied the mask. Is there a way to move/shift/resize the mask around?

The mask was on a pair of bridal shoes and shifting it would save me work if i don't have to completely re-mask each similar image.

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SFA

October 27, 2015 12:06

[quote="CliffCheney" wrote:
I just copied a layer adjustments and applying them also copied the mask. Is there a way to move/shift/resize the mask around?

The mask was on a pair of bridal shoes and shifting it would save me work if i don't have to completely re-mask each similar image.

Cliff,

If you have a local adjustment brush active you should be able to spot an orange dot (anchor point for the mask on the current layer) or a white dot (ditto for a mask on a different layer) which you can grab and move. Hover the cursor over the dot for brief guidance.

More in the tools help page - see the "Selection Points" section.

To modify the mask itself just extend or erase according to you requirements. The adjustment settings will already be in place.

HTH.

Grant

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NNN635656747947842588

October 27, 2015 16:12

[quote="Michael11" wrote:

Edit: The sequence of doing the corrections doesn't really matter, whether you mask the BG and work on it or you mask the subject and do the inverse. Some care is only needed with some corrections like sharpening for example which allow only an incremental adjustment on a LA layer so the work sequence does matter.

I didnÂ´t know how it works, so I always do some adjustments in exposure tab, but I canÂ´t apply as a layer to the second image to affect only a part.
So,I must always work with local adjustments, because I canÂ´t copy-apply general adjustments as local adjustments or as a layer to the second image, right?

It will be a good thing if I could make all the adjustments needed (not only local) and then copy to another image as a layer... Or can I add all C1 tools to local adjustments and copy as local adjustments?

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Permanently deleted user

October 28, 2015 00:20

No. A transfer of correction data from other tools to the LA toolset by "Copy Adjustment" - "Apply Adjustment" is not possible. AFAIK.

I'm struggeling with your workflow and why you prefer doing also general exposure corrections on an image via LA. If an image needs an overall lifting (or reduction) of exposure, saturation, lightness, some highlight recovery, some shadow lifting, I'm under the impression that the main toolset is more powerful and offers more options, including the adjustment of levels and/or working on the curve. LA is for local corrections, for working on areas which need different than the general corrections, area which should be specifically emphasised. Or which need a different type of correction like healing, cloning out of some undesired elements - now possible to do in the RAW editing process. Of course, this is my POV and my approach and YMMV. At the end, what counts is the result and not the way how it is achieved.

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SFA

October 28, 2015 03:00

The only situation that I can imagine any need for an image wide ( *i.e. background in C1 terminology) to be applied only locally is if making the first adjustment on the while image might make a second, counter adjustment less effective.

for example the recent question about blurring a large part of an image while sharpening the main subject. The amount of blur required, according to the poster, was more than could be achieved by the usual techniques of negative clarity and structure (in the clarity tool).

With that need - quite extreme adjustments in opposite directions - there may be a case for seeing hat can be done using only local sharpening where required and only local "blurring" where required. But that is probably a special case based on an apparent need for some extreme artificial blur for which the clarity tool is not really designed if the more general requirement is also strong sharpening.

The requirement, as described, is really a PhotoShop sort of feature and any alternative approaches attempted using Capture One would be for convenience or if, like me, one is not a PhotoShop user and wish to see what can be achieved using C1 alone.

HTH.

Grant

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NNN635656747947842588

October 28, 2015 10:12

[quote="Michael11" wrote:
No. A transfer of correction data from other tools to the LA toolset by "Copy Adjustment" - "Apply Adjustment" is not possible. AFAIK.

I'm struggeling with your workflow and why you prefer doing also general exposure corrections on an image via LA. If an image needs an overall lifting (or reduction) of exposure, saturation, lightness, some highlight recovery, some shadow lifting, I'm under the impression that the main toolset is more powerful and offers more options, including the adjustment of levels and/or working on the curve. LA is for local corrections, for working on areas which need different than the general corrections, area which should be specifically emphasised. Or which need a different type of correction like healing, cloning out of some undesired elements - now possible to do in the RAW editing process. Of course, this is my POV and my approach and YMMV. At the end, what counts is the result and not the way how it is achieved.

Ussually I take not only one photo in the same place, I take maybe 20,30 or more, depending the purpose. All that photos have normally the same exposure, but different framing, or maybe different foreground subjet.

Imagine I take a photo of a landscape with a hard light, I will expose to the right, until my histogram limit, to avoid noise on shadows, and later I will need to adjust exposure and shadows (or high and low lights, you know) .

After the first one, I take a series of the same landscape, with the same exposure, but with a subjet in foreground (a model, by example) that is underexposed due to natural light conditions... so, I use a flash , and I will have a well exposed model in foreground and a landcape in background a little overexposed that needs a little adjustment too... and the same for all series.

What I want to do is adjust general exposure on the first image (only landscape exposed to the right), and then copy this adjustments and apply to the rest of photos (taked with the same light ) but without affecting the model in foreground, because is well exposed.

So I need to do the general adjustments to the first photo in a way that let me apply this adjustments to the rest, but only on a part... because is the same photo, but with a different exposed subjet in foreground.

Not sure if I am explaining well.. I know I could adjust all the photos of this set writting down the high lights, low lights, brightness.... etc etc levels I give to the first one, and going one by one masking the background and moving the sliders the same ammount to get a consequent exposure...

Or I could give more power to the flash and take the model to the right of the histogram too, and apply the adjustments to all image, but in my experience I take better results if I take the higher light to my cameraÂ´s overexpose limit to get more detailled shadows and later adjust highlights down a little, and let the subjet well exposed. Moving highlights slider have no effect on the rest of lights, and add no noise at all.

Of course, I am talking of high dinamic range scenes, in wich I need to consider different exposures for foreground and background.

So, I think is better If I could adjust only the first one, with only the landscape, and copy-apply that adjustmets to the rest, leaving the foreground free of this adjustents.

Ovbiusly, this isnÂ´t good for all the photos I take, but for a set of photos at the same location, if not dawn or changing weather, this way will save me time and effort.

again, thanks for your support

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NNN635656747947842588

October 28, 2015 10:12

[quote="Michael11" wrote:
No. A transfer of correction data from other tools to the LA toolset by "Copy Adjustment" - "Apply Adjustment" is not possible. AFAIK.

I'm struggeling with your workflow and why you prefer doing also general exposure corrections on an image via LA. If an image needs an overall lifting (or reduction) of exposure, saturation, lightness, some highlight recovery, some shadow lifting, I'm under the impression that the main toolset is more powerful and offers more options, including the adjustment of levels and/or working on the curve. LA is for local corrections, for working on areas which need different than the general corrections, area which should be specifically emphasised. Or which need a different type of correction like healing, cloning out of some undesired elements - now possible to do in the RAW editing process. Of course, this is my POV and my approach and YMMV. At the end, what counts is the result and not the way how it is achieved.

Ussually I take not only one photo in the same place, I take maybe 20,30 or more, depending the purpose. All that photos have normally the same exposure, but different framing, or maybe different foreground subjet.

Imagine I take a photo of a landscape with a hard light, I will expose to the right, until my histogram limit, to avoid noise on shadows, and later I will need to adjust exposure and shadows (or high and low lights, you know) .

After the first one, I take a series of the same landscape, with the same exposure, but with a subjet in foreground (a model, by example) that is underexposed due to natural light conditions... so, I use a flash , and I will have a well exposed model in foreground and a landcape in background a little overexposed that needs a little adjustment too... and the same for all series.

What I want to do is adjust general exposure on the first image (only landscape exposed to the right), and then copy this adjustments and apply to the rest of photos (taked with the same light ) but without affecting the model in foreground, because is well exposed.

So I need to do the general adjustments to the first photo in a way that let me apply this adjustments to the rest, but only on a part... because is the same photo, but with a different exposed subjet in foreground.

Not sure if I am explaining well.. I know I could adjust all the photos of this set writting down the high lights, low lights, brightness.... etc etc levels I give to the first one, and going one by one masking the background and moving the sliders the same ammount to get a consequent exposure...

Or I could give more power to the flash and take the model to the right of the histogram too, and apply the adjustments to all image, but in my experience I take better results if I take the higher light to my cameraÂ´s overexpose limit to get more detailled shadows and later adjust highlights down a little, and let the subjet well exposed. Moving highlights slider have no effect on the rest of lights, and add no noise at all.

Of course, I am talking of high dinamic range scenes, in wich I need to consider different exposures for foreground and background.

So, I think is better If I could adjust only the first one, with only the landscape, and copy-apply that adjustmets to the rest, leaving the foreground free of this adjustents.

Ovbiusly, this isnÂ´t good for all the photos I take, but for a set of photos at the same location, if not dawn or changing weather, this way will save me time and effort.

again, thanks for your support

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Permanently deleted user

October 28, 2015 12:22

Probably there's no "right" workflow for the given situation but different possible approaches. If one is more effective than another may depend on the content and on specific requirements concerning corrections - and what the toolsets for BG and LA editing offer.

You're probably aware of this already but if not it might be helpful: by hitting the arrow-up button in the top right section of the screen you can copy [b]all[/b] corrections made to this point to the clipboard. Then, if you don't want to apply one of those copied correction settings (or several) you can open the toolset "Adjustments" and simply uncheck the checked boxes and finally hit the arrow-down to apply to the target image(s).

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NNN635656747947842588

October 28, 2015 17:17

[quote="Michael11" wrote:

You're probably aware of this already but if not it might be helpful: by hitting the arrow-up button in the top right section of the screen you can copy all corrections made to this point to the clipboard. Then, if you don't want to apply one of those copied correction settings (or several) you can open the toolset "Adjustments" and simply uncheck the checked boxes and finally hit the arrow-down to apply to the target image(s).

Yes, but the checked correction settings will be applied to the complete image...

What I need is apply that corrections only to a zone (background) of the image, without affecting the foreground of the image.

And I canÂ´t see another way to do it but making the corrections in the local adjustments tab.

Maybe Phase One should think about that, and correct it in the next C1 update 😁

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SFA

October 28, 2015 18:08

[quote="NNN635656747947842588" wrote:
[quote="Michael11" wrote:

You're probably aware of this already but if not it might be helpful: by hitting the arrow-up button in the top right section of the screen you can copy all corrections made to this point to the clipboard. Then, if you don't want to apply one of those copied correction settings (or several) you can open the toolset "Adjustments" and simply uncheck the checked boxes and finally hit the arrow-down to apply to the target image(s).

Yes, but the checked correction settings will be applied to the complete image...

What I need is apply that corrections only to a zone (background) of the image, without affecting the foreground of the image.

And I canÂ´t see another way to do it but making the corrections in the local adjustments tab.

Maybe Phase One should think about that, and correct it in the next C1 update 😁

I don't really fully understand why you are making the background corrections to a different image.

The only reason I can think of for doing that would be when the range of adjustment required cannot be adjusted back the other way (i.e. some quite extreme adjustment) or you are selectively using a tool that cannot be adjusted in a layer anyway - in which case C1 may not be the best application for your needs for this particular example. (If I understood correctly).

Grant

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NNN635656747947842588

October 28, 2015 19:02

[quote="SFA" wrote:

I don't really fully understand why you are making the background corrections to a different image.

The only reason I can think of for doing that would be when the range of adjustment required cannot be adjusted back the other way (i.e. some quite extreme adjustment) or you are selectively using a tool that cannot be adjusted in a layer anyway - in which case C1 may not be the best application for your needs for this particular example. (If I understood correctly).

Grant

Maybe my English isnÂ´t good enought... Is easy to understand, sure but I am not explaining well

Let me try again...

By example, imagine I have two photos, (is more complex and are more than two, but let me simplify) the first one is a landscape photo, a little underexposed (really is how I said before, but this will work for what I mean) , and the second one is the exactly the same landscape photo, so, it have the same exposure, but with my dog (by example) at foreground. Imagine I taked a photo of the landscape with my camera on a tripod, and after that I called my dog to show it on this beautifull landscape.

But the dog isnÂ´t underexposed because It was illuminated by some flashes.

What I want is adjust the entire image to the first one, that shows only a landscape, because is a little underexposed, and with the second I want to adjust in the same way, but only the background of the image (the part of visible landscape) without affecting my dog exposure, because it is well exposed by my flashes.

I can do it masking the visible landscape of the seconf photo, and moving the sliders the same amount in both images.
Or I could do copying the adjustments of the first photo, and applying to a layer mask of the visible landscape part.

For my real work, I need to do it on more than 2 photos, so copy and apply the adjustments ir better for me than move sliders one by one.

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SFA

October 29, 2015 05:25

I understand the description of what you want to do. I don't really understand the reason why copying the settings from a "flat" image (no layers) to a layer becomes so important. Is it just to save a few second of time manipulating sliders?

If so consider this. I am assuming that all of the adjustments you want to make AND COPY can be made for an adjustment layer. If not then there is no possibility to successfully copy all of the settings to a layer anyway.

For you original image edit DO NOT edit on the "Background" layer.

Add an adjustment layer and then use the "Invert Mask" feature.

This will add a mask over the whole image area as if you had painted one onto it.

Make your adjustments.

For the second image with the foreground model in view and assuming the the "background" exposure is the same in the original images, copy the layer from the first image and apply it to the second image. You should now have the backgrouns looking the same but the foreground subject not correct to its original exposure.

Now erase the mask area of the foreground subject so that it reverts to it original and correct exposure.

If you want to make other changes to the foreground subject that do now affect the whole image create another layer.

Copy the mask form the first layer to use on the second layer using the copy layer facility provided. Invert that mask on the second layer so only the foreground subject is masked. Make the changes you require.

If necessary adjust both masks (areas) separately (they are not linked in this situation) to make the best result.

Create as many layers as you need (up to the maximum available) to make the changes you wish for.

Does this help?

There are some tutorial/webinar videos that cover some aspects of working with layers in this way.

Have fun.

Grant

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NNN635656747947842588

October 29, 2015 09:01

[quote="SFA" wrote:
I understand the description of what you want to do. I don't really understand the reason why copying the settings from a "flat" image (no layers) to a layer becomes so important. Is it just to save a few second of time manipulating sliders?

YES. If I must do it on only 2 photos, as my example, is easy.... but for a set of 20, 30 or more photos of a location work, is a waste of time moving sliders, and is best just copy-apply adjustments.

[quote="SFA" wrote:

If so consider this. I am assuming that all of the adjustments you want to make AND COPY can be made for an adjustment layer. If not then there is no possibility to successfully copy all of the settings to a layer anyway.

YES, so I said it will be a good thing if Phase One consider the possibility of copy the background adjustments to a new layer, and not only the local adjustments.

[quote="SFA" wrote:

For you original image edit DO NOT edit on the "Background" layer.

Add an adjustment layer and then use the "Invert Mask" feature.

This will add a mask over the whole image area as if you had painted one onto it.

Make your adjustments.

For the second image with the foreground model in view and assuming the the "background" exposure is the same in the original images, copy the layer from the first image and apply it to the second image. You should now have the backgrouns looking the same but the foreground subject not correct to its original exposure.

Now erase the mask area of the foreground subject so that it reverts to it original and correct exposure.
Does this help?

YES. this help a lot.
Is what Michael11 said too, and is the way to do it. Thanks again you two for the support....So I said I must do the corrections only on a new layer in this cases, and leave the background untouched.

Unfortunately, I did the corrections with exposure tab, and I found the problem when I tried to apply the adjustments to the rest of photos.... well, it was my fault, due to my ignorance of how copy-apply adjustments work. Is easy to fix.

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Permanently deleted user

October 29, 2015 13:22

Similar to Grant I'm still failing to see why you wouldn't just do a general adjustment for the BG landscape to your liking.

And then adding an additional adjustment via LA on your main subject - which may be reducing or rising settings for that area.

If you subject moves from one image to another then you need only to copy the LA and move a bit the mask and/or correct it a bit with the Draw and Erase Tool.

Sounds pretty simple and fast to me.

The needed precison for the mask painting of course depends a bit on the absolut amount of settings changes in relation to the BG and on the hardness of the transition (hardness of the brush). But a too big of a difference in the adjustments could make the image look as a composite - if it hasn't this look already due to the flash on the mais subject.

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NNN635656747947842588

October 29, 2015 15:34

[quote="Michael11" wrote:
Similar to Grant I'm still failing to see why you wouldn't just do a general adjustment for the BG landscape to your liking.

Because exposure is the same for all the photos of the set. If I do a general adjustment I canÂ´t copy and apply to the rest. This is what I say Phase One could fix, the posibility of copy and apply BG general adjustments as a new layer on another photo.

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Permanently deleted user

October 29, 2015 19:41

Hmm. now I'm even more puzzled. If the exposure is the same to all images I'd suppose the main adjustments (on the BG) are also. Why would this need any LA other than on perhaps the main subject lit by a flash? This area of the main subject may need some negative exposure compensation via LA, perhaps some reduction of contrast and brightness values and some highlight recovery. But all this would bestill pretty basic work, certianly no rocket science. Of course if the approach you discovered until here works for you, no need to worry and to change anything. As already said the result / output is what counts. Not the way to get there.

I just wouldn't join your quest in asking P1 for "improvments" here. In any case this forum wouldn't be the right place to ask for any type of improvements because by definition this is a user-to-user forum. It's visited sometimes by P1 experts who are providing some feedback and input. But for specific requests you'd better contact them directly opening a support case.

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NNN635656747947842588

October 30, 2015 10:57

[quote="Michael11" wrote:
Hmm. now I'm even more puzzled. If the exposure is the same to all images I'd suppose the main adjustments (on the BG) are also. Why would this need any LA other than on perhaps the main subject lit by a flash?

Because the first photo, with only landscape, no model in foreground, was exposed to get the max detaill my camera can get. (You know, bringing the cameraÂ´s histogram to the right limit you will get the maximal tonal information). But this method needs the highlights be adjusted later on C1.

The rest of photos, because was taken at the same place, with the same light, have the same exposure. I must to adjust all the photos of the set.

If I add a layer only for main subjet, and not for BG, I canÂ´t copy and apply the adjustments for the background of the photo, I can copy only the main subjet layer... this means I must adjust the background of all the photos one by one moving sliders, and this is a waste of time, because all needs the same correction.

The main subjet isnÂ´t the problem, because is well exposed, is illuminated by flashes, and even in the case, as the main subjet can be different, or have different size or pose, I will need to adjust photo by photo.

Is the background of the photo what I can copy and apply adjustments to the rest of set, because is the same.

[quote="Michael11" wrote:

I just wouldn't join your quest in asking P1 for "improvments" here. In any case this forum wouldn't be the right place to ask for any type of improvements because by definition this is a user-to-user forum. It's visited sometimes by P1 experts who are providing some feedback and input. But for specific requests you'd better contact them directly opening a support case.

Thanks for the advise... it was just an idea, not an improvement asking. IsnÂ´t a peremptory function for me, but could save time, and donÂ´t mind those who donÂ´t need it. 😉

Again, thanks

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SFA

October 30, 2015 11:46

You can adjust the "background" of one shot and then copy and apply to many others.

In that case "background" means the whole image.

You can create a layer and apply a mask to limit where any changes apply. Then make the changes, copy the layer and apply it to multiple other images.

You can do that with multiple layers at the same time if you need to.

You can copy and apply the "background" and layers at the same time if you need to.

If the position or effect of a layer needs to be changed you can change it after it has been copied and applied.

The only time I can think of when making changes on a layer and NOT the "background" would be required is when the amount of adjustment to be applied is so strong that it could not be reversed well where not needed.

For example if you wanted to make the "background" VERY blurred and applied a lot of blur to the whole image it would probably then be difficult to select a "model" subject and make that part of the image sharp.

So one option to do that would be to leave the whole image as shot but with any adjustments that are not "local" or cannot be applied as local adjustments made to it.

For the blurred area, create a layer and apply the blur to that.

For the model area create another layer and add adjustments to that.

Copy both layers to the rest of the images you need to edit. Then adjust the mask for each layer as necessary by painting in and erasing the mask areas. You will probably find that you do not need to be very precise in many situations.

I have used this approach many times. You just need to work out early in the process whether you image can be successfully processed as the whole image plus a layer (or layers) for the main subject or whether you would be better to make all adjustments on layers for better control.

I suspect that the terminology for "Background" causes some confusion. It might be better to refer to "Whole Image" or "All Image".

Either way the key decision for you is whether you will most easily get the results you want by modifying starting with the whole image or starting with a layer and selective changes so that you avoid layer adjustments fighting against each other when the adjustments need to be so strong that one overpowers another. Most of the time I find that is not a problem but I can see how it could be a problem.

HTH.

Grant

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NNN635656747947842588

October 30, 2015 15:37

[quote="SFA" wrote:
You can adjust the "background" of one shot and then copy and apply to many others.

In that case "background" means the whole image.

But can I copy and apply all adjustments or only local adjustments?

If I am right, only if creating a mask on the BG on local adjustments can I copy and apply to another photo.

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NNN635656747947842588

October 31, 2015 10:20

I tried to apply the same exposure and clarity adjustments that I have for the first image (adjustments made to the "background layer" on exposure tab) to the second one (same adjustments moving sliders) on a new layer on local exposure tab and I get two different images.

The second one appears as washed.

So I think Is NOT POSSIBLE to get the same adjustments if you not copy and apply all adjustments.
Not sure why, but layers and "background layer" on local adjustments arenÂ´t acumulative as said here. And they havenÂ´t the same effect.

If you move local background layer exposure slider to +4, by example, and then add a layer and move to -4, you DONT GET 0 exposure. It will result in a darker image, than before, maybe -1 or -2 EV.

So, the method of add a new layer, correct here and them copy and apply local adjustments to a new image isnÂ´t the same than correcting on background.

Now I am lost, I donÂ´t know how to do. If I canÂ´t copy and apply the adjustments as a new layer to another image, I canÂ´t apply all adjustments and locally correct the effect over the main subjet (because it have different effect), and I canÂ´t correct only locally because the effect is different than background corrections... what can I do?

Maybe itÂ´s time to contact with them...

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October 31, 2015 12:15

[quote="NNN635656747947842588"] wrote:

... So I think Is NOT POSSIBLE to get the same adjustments if you not copy and apply all adjustments.
Not sure why, but layers and "background layer" on local adjustments arenÂ´t acumulative as said here. And they havenÂ´t the same effect.

If you move local background layer exposure slider to +4, by example, and then add a layer and move to -4, you DONT GET 0 exposure. It will result in a darker image, than before, maybe -1 or -2 EV.
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Well I have to admit that I've never advanced into testing whether equal numeric opposite corrections applied on the "BG" and a LA compensate precisely. But they add up, I'm pretty sure - what else those are numeric operations.

Perhaps worth to check: the opacity setting for the LA masks. If opacity is not 100% I wouldn't expect for example a certain +4 LA setting compensating a -4 setting of the same parameter on the "BG".

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