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Not enought saturation in reimported TIFs

wolfgang4
Hi,
actually I have the problem that a reimported TIF hasn't enought saturation.
The same TIF displayed in Photoshop is the same as the RAW in CO1 811.
(OS X 10.9.5, CO1 811, Canon 5D MkII).
This sucks because my hope was to disclaim Photoshop;-)
A Support Case from the 03.02.15 is depending an answer of the software development. What are your experiences with reimporting TIFs?

Regards
Wolfgang
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  • wolfgang4
    Hi,
    some further testing showed me that the problem, is only visible in the higher saturated yellowgreen colorarea for example: lemons or yellowgreen leaves in sunlight.
    Am I the only one, or is here anyone who can reproduce this?

    Regards
    Wolfgang
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  • VirtualRain
    Yes... I can confirm this issue... here's a couple of screen caps that document it.

    In my case, I did a round-trip to NIK where I amped up the saturation on the leaves in this tree.

    In the first two images below, the tree on the left is what it looked like in NIK. The tree on the right is what it looked like after I was done and back in Capture One Pro. The first screen grab is showing the RGB value of the leaf as seen working on the TIFF (16-bit sRGB) in NIK, the second screen grab is showing the RGB value of the leaf as seen in the preview back in C1, the third screen grab compares the output JPEG (100% sRGB) on the left with the C1 preview (right). Note that that NIK TIFF version is noticeably more saturated green and has no Blue component.

    You'll also note how the blue sign in the C1 viewer is not very sharp... there's another issue with preview quality at work for you!

    Not good!

    https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8643/16510595668_646ebac643_b.jpg
    Screen shot of color from NIK by Virtual.Rain, on Flickr

    https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8640/16696867691_132c52719d_b.jpg
    Screen Shot of color from C1 by Virtual.Rain, on Flickr

    https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8566/16490992057_52575e6e54_b.jpg
    Screen shot of color from output jpeg by Virtual.Rain, on Flickr
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  • VirtualRain
    FYI... Reply from support is that they are aware of this and working on a fix in an upcoming release.
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  • wolfgang4
    Thanks for your answer,
    so I 'm not alone and they're working on it, whats new for me, thank's!
    In hope to mostly disclaim Photoshop with CO1 in future, here is my Waterloo...

    https://plus.google.com/u/0/+WolfgangTa ... 1715461996

    please try to import it to CO1 and see the difference...

    Regards
    Wolfgang
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  • VirtualRain
    I wanted to point out that this problem remains unresolved with the 8.2 update. It's odd since they apparently knew about this issue. I exported the RAW to NIK using the Edit with... (16-Bit TIFF sRGB)... the top image is the green in NIK, the bottom image is the same point sampled after the TIFF is saved in Capture One Pro... Note that the color is less vibrant green and more muted in Capture One... The RGB values of the two would suggest the color is shifting.

    https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8741/16736382538_f8fe29d6fc_z.jpgColor Shift on TIFF Import by Virtual.Rain, on Flickr
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  • Frederic Harster
    Same observations here, particularly obvious with greens and yellows. It seems the black and white points of reimported TIFFs are shifted too, resulting in less contrast
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  • Steve Babb
    I also have this issue. Particularly with very highly saturated colours. Happened on some red shirts today. Also seems to reduce contrast slightly. Has anyone had a response from P1 regarding a fix?

    This is a really bad issue for colour software!

    Thanks
    Steve
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  • Steve Babb
    Still not fixed in 8.3 for me? Can anyone confirm if it is fixed for them?

    Thanks
    Steve
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  • David Moore
    Wolfgang try converting your image to A98 from your special srgb black scale profile before reimporting it to C1. Im afraid C1 is not honoring the profile. I have the same problem with BW srgb images with a printer profile attached instead of Adobe98. Aperture had an issue with out of gamut Greens and it drove me nuts that color management was not honored. They did fix it eventually and I trust C1 will too. If I was to guess Id say they are trying to honor the profile BUT Assigning a profile instead of converting the profile. Or visa versa


    Cheers
    David



    [quote="wolfgang4" wrote:
    Thanks for your answer,
    so I 'm not alone and they're working on it, whats new for me, thank's!
    In hope to mostly disclaim Photoshop with CO1 in future, here is my Waterloo...

    https://plus.google.com/u/0/+WolfgangTa ... 1715461996
    Regards
    Wolfgang
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  • Frederic Harster
    [quote="Stevebuk" wrote:
    Still not fixed in 8.3 for me? Can anyone confirm if it is fixed for them?

    Thanks
    Steve

    Still the same in 8.3.1
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