Aperture and Capture One
It’s been four interesting days since Apple announced that they are ceasing to develop Aperture.
For the professional Aperture users who are looking to switch to Capture One Pro 7, we are currently investigating how we can make the transition as smooth as possible.
In addition, we are offering Aperture users a time limited 50% discount on Capture One Pro 7 or Capture One Express 7, when using the voucher “switch50†in our online store.
For the professional Aperture users who are looking to switch to Capture One Pro 7, we are currently investigating how we can make the transition as smooth as possible.
In addition, we are offering Aperture users a time limited 50% discount on Capture One Pro 7 or Capture One Express 7, when using the voucher “switch50†in our online store.
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That's fantastic news.
As one of those Aperture switchers, a whitepaper with the "this is how you did it in Aperture, now this is how you do it in C1Pro" would be absolutely fantastic!
Toine0 -
[quote="JeppeSkjerning" wrote:
For the professional Aperture users who are looking to switch to Capture One Pro 7, we are currently investigating how we can make the transition as smooth as possible.
Fantastic! As a long-time Aperture user who has already bought Capture One and is very excited about all the things it does better, I'm very much looking forward to what you come up with.0 -
I bought C1 after the news regarding Aperture came around.
It's pretty good that Phase One woke up.
I had planned to export the edited images as TIFF from Aperture and save the RAWs for any occasional new edits. The metadata may go with as XMP.
In Aperture I have a hierarchical system of key words. How should this be handled?
What worries me is the unexpected gap in the management of key words. The use of Media Pro in direct comparison with Aperture has not become really clear to me.
I am now waiting for what is being proposed here.0 -
I'm also coming from Aperture. Can you briefly discuss the differences in Aperture organization terms with Capture One. Catalogs, sessions, albums, etc. vs Projects. 0 -
Excellent news! I too got in the 50% off discount for June over the weekend, pushed finally by the Aperture announcements. I'm liking it so far. But conversion assistance can't be anything but a good thing! 0 -
[quote="NN635396883437907450UL" wrote:
I'm also coming from Aperture. Can you briefly discuss the differences in Aperture organization terms with Capture One. Catalogs, sessions, albums, etc. vs Projects.
I'm finding them very similar. They both have projects, albums/smart albums and groups (folders in Aperture).
But there is a sublte difference in where the images are "kept." Aperture keeps them in projects while C1 keeps them in the base collection, All Images.0 -
I've written up a blog post from my experiences so far in converting from Aperture to C1. This one points out 10 things Aperture users would want to know about C1:
http://www.bobrockefeller.com/blog/10-t ... re-one-pro
I'll be blogging about what I learn on my way over from Aperture. Let me know if you have any specific questions I might use as the source of other blog posts.0 -
[quote="BobRockefeller" wrote:
I've written up a blog post from my experiences so far in converting from Aperture to C1.
Good summary Bob! I've arrived to same conclusions over the last 4 days - tested the app for 2 full days and then bought the license 😊 There are few things I hope would be changed/finetuned in next version (especially around UI in viewing and editing) but the output quality is superb, right there with Capture NX2 from Nikon (I shoot with D3s).
If the forums can be any indication I can't believe that so many people are willing to give themselves to Adobe and sign up for the rental model (even if there's still a standalone app I firmly believe it's just a question of time till it disappears) and the crappy RAW conversion of Lightroom. I'll keep Aperture on my Mac till the support fades, but all new stuff and even some past shoots will be (re)done in Capture One.0 -
My only problem with Phaseone and Capture One, is the camera support. They are often the last one to support a camera if they do at all. While I think Aperture was mostly first to support new cameras. For me the big issue is with Medium Format, they do not support anything but Phaseone/Mamyia, while both Aperture and LR support everyone. Put in a Support case and the case is closed so fast you get whiplash. I understand a little if they don't want to support tethering, but support the file format or at least one that is converted to DNG.
Robert0 -
Hi all
I've trialled COP7 and have been prevaricating but now, Apple are making the decision easier.
One question though: is it worth adding Media Pro 1 into the mix and integrating it with COP7?
Russell0 -
[quote="Russkie" wrote:
One question though: is it worth adding Media Pro 1 into the mix and integrating it with COP7?
Russell
I'm interested in that, too. C1's catalog is pretty good, but not nearly as feature-rich as Aperture's. Is PhaseONE working to move Media Pro's features into C1? Or is Media Pro a good complement to C1?0 -
[quote="PhaseoneUser55657" wrote:
They are often the last one to support a camera if they do at all.
No, that would be Aftershot Pro.0 -
[quote="JeppeSkjerning" wrote:
It’s been four interesting days since Apple announced that they are ceasing to develop Aperture.
For the professional Aperture users who are looking to switch to Capture One Pro 7, we are currently investigating how we can make the transition as smooth as possible.
In addition, we are offering Aperture users a time limited 50% discount on Capture One Pro 7 or Capture One Express 7, when using the voucher “switch50†in our online store.
Hello,
haven't seen this post yet, just paid yesterday night ! Is it 50% of 114 euro which I paid ? If so, it's pity.
So navy Aperture user !
And additional question, compare the same CR2 file in Aperture and Capture One without any adjustments. In Aperture looks sharp and I Capture One not so. But after export in JPEG and open in Preview app looks both OK. What is that ?
Thank you in advance
Sergey0 -
[quote="photograch" wrote:
And additional question, compare the same CR2 file in Aperture and Capture One without any adjustments. In Aperture looks sharp and I Capture One not so. But after export in JPEG and open in Preview app looks both OK. What is that ?
Thank you in advance
Sergey
Sergey,
Comparing RAW processors is very hard as each has it's own defaults, both for a starting point and potentially even on export.
I suppose the best way to compare is to see which tools allows you to get the most quality out of the same RAW file. Perhaps that's sharpness, color rendition, or maybe dynamic range.0 -
What worries me is the unexpected gap in the management of key words. The use of Media Pro in direct comparison with Aperture has not become really clear to me.
I am now waiting for what is being proposed here.
Here's the thing. There's no rush. Aperture is a pretty good DAM, and will continue to work with 10.10 Yosemite. Aperture will be a workable professional tool for another year or more.
Not saying that this would work for your workflow, but what I've been doing is continuing to manage the files in Aperture (I prefer Aperture's import folder creation and dating, based around image date rather than import date), and then just do an import of the main directory into Capture One. It picks up any new files and folders, and then I do any image correction, cropping, etc in Capture One.
(Of course, I work with referenced images rather than managed, not sure that would work as well if you used managed images.)
Eventually if/when Capture One catches up the DAM features and keyword management they can be exported out of Aperture with XMP sidecar files, or alternatively, with Photos for OSX shows up next year that can be evaluated as a photo management solution (Aperture libraries will import with keywords, edits, etc intact) and decide then.
The way it's sounding, you'll be able to (for example) search for an image keyword via the OS in Spotlight.0 -
Also, from another thread on here, it doesn't sound like Media Pro is getting much love. Is it still in active development? 0 -
hi Bob, I also reviewed several times your blog, as @ LuLa we discussed this issue several times. My request to you, if this would be possible, is to know how to manage the keywords. This is really important and until now I don't find any reference how to do it.
As well, might you know if there are collections and also the best way to edit in Photoshop?
I also bought C1 over the weekend, as I find it more intuitive than Lightroom.
@C1 Team, video capabilities would be great.0 -
Jeppe, that's great to hear. I have picked up C1 and really like what I see.
Would love a workflow/set of steps looking at transitioning my Aperture Library to Capture 1. I have 55k photos in my Library, all referenced.
If at all possible and I know it's a separate thing and a while away... I would value C1 behaving well with the upcoming Photos.app library somehow.0 -
[quote="NNN635394991547550905" wrote:
Jeppe, that's great to hear. I have picked up C1 and really like what I see.
Would love a workflow/set of steps looking at transitioning my Aperture Library to Capture 1. I have 55k photos in my Library, all referenced.
If at all possible and I know it's a separate thing and a while away... I would value C1 behaving well with the upcoming Photos.app library somehow.
We have an ongoing thread (look for the topic Moving an Aperture library over to Capture One) where we have been discussing using applescript to export a file system hierarchy from Aperture in order to assist in moving the library to C1. I don't know how to link to a topic but it should be easy to find. I just put up a new version of the applescript code that was able to successfully export my Aperture library. It has not been tested by anyone but me so far so you might want to keep an eye on that thread for updates.0 -
[quote="BobRockefeller" wrote:
[quote="Russkie" wrote:
One question though: is it worth adding Media Pro 1 into the mix and integrating it with COP7?
Russell
I'm interested in that, too. C1's catalog is pretty good, but not nearly as feature-rich as Aperture's. Is PhaseONE working to move Media Pro's features into C1? Or is Media Pro a good complement to C1?
Sessions was the way Capture One used to work and recently they added Catalogs. Many people stay away from catalogs as they are a stability issue.0 -
I've only recently come to C1 and have used Catalogs exclusively (for a month or so). I see no reason to use Sessions for my workflow, and have seen zero stability issues. My catalogs aren't huge, biggest around 8,000 images, and I use multiple smaller catalogs rather than one huge one. Maybe there are issues with huge catalogs, or working with multiple catalogs open simultaneously? Not sure. 0 -
[quote="JeppeSkjerning" wrote:
It’s been four interesting days since Apple announced that they are ceasing to develop Aperture.
For the professional Aperture users who are looking to switch to Capture One Pro 7, we are currently investigating how we can make the transition as smooth as possible.
In addition, we are offering Aperture users a time limited 50% discount on Capture One Pro 7 or Capture One Express 7, when using the voucher “switch50†in our online store.
This is a wonderful news for all Aperture orphans 😭
CO7 delivers extrordinary image quality which is unparalleled but there are some important features in Aperture that new users will certainly miss
-Clone tool (Please!!!!!)
-Better healing (in C1 is called spot tool)
-No 3rd party publishing plug-in such as Getty images, SmugMug, Zenfolio,etc.
-More mature Catalog (first of all issues free and much faster at importing large number of photos)
Hope v.8 will take care of that 😊
Best to all
Ettore0 -
To "meanwhile" 14/07/03:
Thank You for the comment.
Your proposal to use Aperture as DAM is is interesting, perhaps it will work with the coming photos.app too.
I downloaded Media Pro to test. It has good tools and options but an Aperture user takes time to switch to another philosophy.
I'd rather go and take pictures than invest hours to learn a new software.
Aperture as Dam ? not bad0 -
How about Aperture switchers to Media Pro? Any discount to switch, or should we just use Lightroom or Corel AfterShot Pro at about half the cost of a discounted Media Pro? 0 -
Already switched from Aperture to COP7 the last week. Was pretty easy as most of files were only referenced files. Wrote metadata to files and then imported them into COP7. Of course I lost the custom edits but for the files I wanted to keep them I made an export (of the variant... can't already remember the name Aperture uses for variants 😉 ).
So far I really like what I see especially the resulting image quality and the adjustment tools/styles.
What I don't like so far or I hope that gets better in the future is the following:
- spot healing tool (Aperture's one is much better and more intuitive)
- clone tool (seems there is none?)
- keyword editing is cumbersome, was much more intuitive in Aperture
- behaviour of COP7 during import -> app freezes, cannot really be used during import, well at least on my Mid 2010 iMac (i7 2.9GHz Duo Core, 8 GB RAM, Ati 5750)
- a map that aggregates the photo locations from the GPS EXIF data where you can browse the photos by clicking on the map0 -
I'm also new to CO7 and like it so far. The image results are really nice. Thanks for the 50% discount!
The feature that I miss most is roundtrip editing with external editors such as Photoshop or the Nik tools. Currently you can export a variant and open it in an external application, and then the workflow ends. You need to import the edited file manually into CO7 again, to have it in your catalog. The way Aperture handled this, doesn't seem to complicated to implement to me: Create new variant as 8bit/16bit PSD/TIFF file inside the catalog, open that file in the external application, reload the file when it has been saved by the external application.0 -
Can I stack images in C17 Pro? That's pretty useful in my workflow. I used Capture One Pro from version 1 to version 4 and switched to Aperture as it seemed like Aperture developers had basically taken the workflow methodology of C1 and created Aperture with advanced UI and ability to use either referenced or managed catalog structures. Now working with C17 Pro I'm finding the workflow fairly easy to adjust to, but am seeing some area that are still behind Aperture's DAM strengths. 0 -
[quote="jsmcpheeters" wrote:
Can I stack images in C17 Pro? That's pretty useful in my workflow.
Apparently yes and no. CO knows stacks that work similar to Aperture (expand/collapse view, vote up and down, choose primary image), but only for variants of an image. I haven't figured out a way group previously unrelated images into a stack, even automatically. There are certain things that CO might want to learn from Aperture. 😉0 -
I'm only an "enthusiastic amateur" but I have used Aperture and learnt to appreciate just what a fantastic bit of software it really is over the years.
I was devastated to hear that Aperture would no longer be supported and tried Dxo and Capture One last week as I was never too happy with the Aperture RAW imports.
I found Capture One quite superb and bought a copy of C1Ex last week. Aperture is far better as a DAM than Media Pro (IMHO) so I looked for a way of getting the best of both worlds and came up with the following two options:
Using C1 and Aperture.
(1) Create Aperture "Hot" Folder using Automator.
(2) Import your RAW files from camera into C1.
(3) Adjust as needed in C1.
(4) Export variant to HOT folder.
(5) Open Aperture and catalogue or use your plug-ins as normal.
(6) Don't forget to backup RAW files that will now be kept by C1
Using C1 and iPhoto
(1) Create iPhoto "Hot" Folder using Automator.
(2) Set up External Editor in iPhoto as Capture One.
(3) Tick Export as RAW.
(4) Select your RAW photos and "Edit in External Editor"
(5) Do your RAW editing in C1 and export variant back to iPhoto.
(6) You have access to the results in both Aperture and iPhoto and leaves your original RAW untouched.
Works fine for me and leaves all options open until the dust settles in a couple of years.
P.S. I went for Capture One Express as I didn't think I needed the Pro version.0 -
That definitely works - the automator action is really useful.
Did you think about starting in Aperture (as the DAM) doing all the library work there and then exporting the cream of the crop to C1 for adjustment? I find that the Catapult plugin works well for this, although I dare say somebody better than I am with Applescript or Automator could come up with an alternative. You can then reimport into Aperture for sharing etc, but you have your best shots in your C1 catalogue as well. A bit of duplication, but memory is relatively cheap.0
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