Loss of master file while working in Local Adjustments
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Working in sessions, I was adding local adjustment masks to a raw file in C18.3 and apparently deleted the ORF file by mistake.
I was attempting to delete a mask, had the round icon on the mask selected and out of habit from another program hit the delete key. Whammo! The master file disappeared without warning.
With Windows Explorer I checked the original folder and the Recycle folder. The file is not in either place.
If the file was indeed deleted permanently, this is a behavior that should be changed. Or am I the only one who makes stupid mistakes like this!
Bob
Working in sessions, I was adding local adjustment masks to a raw file in C18.3 and apparently deleted the ORF file by mistake.
I was attempting to delete a mask, had the round icon on the mask selected and out of habit from another program hit the delete key. Whammo! The master file disappeared without warning.
With Windows Explorer I checked the original folder and the Recycle folder. The file is not in either place.
If the file was indeed deleted permanently, this is a behavior that should be changed. Or am I the only one who makes stupid mistakes like this!
Bob
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You should find that it is in the "trash can" CO's own version of the recycle bin and that it can be rescued unless you have deleted permanently from the trash can. 0 -
Bob,
There are, as a default, 2 Delete options.
"Delete" will move all selected images to the session Trash Can
"Delete Permanently" will take the file off the system and bypass the System Recycle Bin.
You can activate or de-activate warnings for deletions in the Preferences tool.
As for deleting a mask .... I have never seen that problem. I have just tried to recreate it and I'm not really sure from your description what you did.
Do you mean you selected the orange dot that indicates the "anchor" point for the mask? The hit the Delete key?
If so when I did that I was offered the opportunity to delete the Variant that I was working with. C1 assumed the Delete command was to be applied at that level.
However if you are working with the a single variant (i.e. the first edit) of an image hitting the Delete key will assume that you are asking to delete the entire image. I have the preferences set to show the Warning specifically because of that. Accepting the delete will remove the file and all sessions file information related to it from the system. It has nothing to do with the Mask at all.
As a rule it is always a good idea to have a complete copy of the original files somewhere else on the system - preferably a separate and external repository - just in case situations like this arise.
Normally I would just delete a layer and recreate a new one or simply erase everything rather than try to select and delete the existing mask. I'm not sure you can do that although you can change the position of the dot.
Hope this helps.
Grant0 -
Paul and Grant, thanks for the valuable information.
I was able to recover the file from the session trash. (Actually, I had another copy in a backup on an external drive I had done earlier.)
My deletion of what I thought would be the orange button representing the mask is a habit from Lightroom, where a button is highlighted and then the delete key is used to remove the adjustment.
Maybe this experience is an incentive to always work with a variant.
Bob0 -
Hi
Surely this situation is plain ridiculous. Well-designed software should accommodate obvious foreseeable human ergonomic error. Surely C1 should be secure against an irrational deletion of files in a way that bypasses the safety net of the Recycle Bin without warning? Truly frightening if not.
Bulk storage of liquid chemicals is in tanks that have two high-level detector devices set at "High" and "High High" to avoid overfill and spillage. It's not rocket science! It's belt and braces for when the consequences of a spill (or loss of files) don't bear thinking about.
Peter0 -
[quote="Peter" wrote:
Hi
Surely this situation is plain ridiculous. Well-designed software should accommodate obvious foreseeable human ergonomic error. Surely C1 should be secure against an irrational deletion of files in a way that bypasses the safety net of the Recycle Bin without warning? Truly frightening if not.
Bulk storage of liquid chemicals is in tanks that have two high-level detector devices set at "High" and "High High" to avoid overfill and spillage. It's not rocket science! It's belt and braces for when the consequences of a spill (or loss of files) don't bear thinking about.
Peter
Peter,
It is safe, in so far as user demand that it is safe.
The deleted file was found in the Session trash.
A few weeks back a different user was berating the developers because his attempts to Delete - permanently because he was sure he wanted to do so - seemed to be thwarted by C1's insistence on making the deletion a 2 stage process.
(If using sessions that is not the case but I understand it might be an intentional restriction in catalogues.)
Damned if you do and damned if you don't is a phrase that comes to mind.
Maybe the options could be put in a very precise user preference system that is registered with Phase.
Then, when someone insisting on a one level delete complains that delete process did what it was set to do the implications and agreement could be confirmed.
For the rest of us mere process peons the 2 level deletion (via the recoverable trash ) seems to be a sensible way forward.
If one is really paranoid, like me, never delete anything on the fly, if at all.
Grant0
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