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Importing keywords from Aperture

Orwell
I imported a test catalog from Aperture and everything is looking great except for my keyword hierarchy. My hierarchy is getting flattened. Can anyone suggest a good way to fix this?

I tried creating new hierarchical keywords and assigning the old photos to the new hierarchical keywords, which works fine, except I don't seem to have any way to get rid of the old keywords. I watched the keyword video on the website and I can see how to delete keywords one-by-one, but my library has more than 60,000 photos--clicking one-by-one isn't going to work.

I'd really appreciate a solution. So far, I really like Capture One. I love the RAW conversion, the editing tools, and the customizability. It seems like a fantastic tool, but this keyword thing is killing me.
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  • Frank Gregorek
    Orwell: I don't have an answer to your first paragraph question about why C1 is flattening your Aperture keyword hierarchy, but perhaps I have a clue derived from my use of Photo Mechanic ("PM").

    C1 reads and maintains the PM keywords written using PM's "Structured Keywords" dialog box as hierarchical. PM's hierarchical keywords are separated using the pipe "|" key---not a comma "," .

    So, perhaps the problem lies in the "separator" Aperture uses. Maybe Aperture uses a "comma"? Perhaps that is the cause? I would check to see if there is an Aperture keyword preference setting to change Aperture's keyword separator to the pipe "|" key. If so, I would change to that and see if the hierarchy is preserved.

    Hope that's some help.
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  • Orwell
    Thanks for the suggestion FirstName. However, I don't think that really works here. Aperture stores keyword information in a relational database, so delimiters aren't relevant.

    If flattening the keyword hierarchy using Capture 1's Aperture import feature is expected behavior, I need a way to reassemble that hierarchy. I think I could do that if I could find a way to batch delete keywords.
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  • SFA
    I don't suppose the conversion has knowledgable access to the KW part of the database with links in place.

    Can you export the HKW to a text file of some sort? It should be possible to do something from there if you can.

    Or, maybe, if you have loaded the Keyword without hierarchy you can recreate the hierarchy dragging and dropping words? Tedious but might be faster than looking for an automated approach?


    Grant
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  • Orwell
    [quote="SFA" wrote:

    Or, maybe, if you have loaded the Keyword without hierarchy you can recreate the hierarchy dragging and dropping words? Tedious but might be faster than looking for an automated approach?
    Grant


    That's exactly what I'm trying to do. I can create the new hierarchy and assign all of my photos to the new hierarchy, but how do I remove all the old keywords?

    For example, in Aperture I might have the following:
    Landscapes
    Forests


    In Capture One, after the import, I have:
    Landscapes
    Forests

    If I add "Landscapes > Forests" to all of the photos with "Landscapes" and "Forests", I now have the following:
    Landscapes
    Forests
    Landscapes
    Forests

    I now need to strike the first two keywords or I'll end up with an even bigger mess than I have now. So I need a way to go through thousands of photos and strike a keyword without having to click on each photo one at a time.
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  • SFA
    Ah, OK.

    I was wondering if the redefinition might generate the links internally.

    As I recall this has been raised before and the suggested response was to set up an image with the KWs you want than copy and paste to the other that require the same. I can see that working in some situations and failing in others.

    It's possible there may be some work going on in this area so it would be worth creating a Support Case which might provide some more input.

    However I have to say I would not want to take on a 60k image keyword project if there was any potential for fixing the problem as part of a final conversion (you mention that this is a test conversion....) so you might ask about that too.

    HTH.


    Grant
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  • NN635609298727896573UL
    Changing by hand in one image:
    Architectural, Church
    in Aperture into:
    | Architectural | Church

    created a nice hierarchical KW structure in C1. I had to remove the "," between the two in Aperture.

    But how to automate this ? Should be done in Aperture...
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  • Orwell
    [quote="NN635609298727896573UL" wrote:
    Changing by hand in one image:
    Architectural, Church
    in Aperture into:
    | Architectural | Church

    created a nice hierarchical KW structure in C1. I had to remove the "," between the two in Aperture.

    But how to automate this ? Should be done in Aperture...


    Here's a more thorough explanation:

    viewtopic.php?f=55&t=18424
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