thats it.. i am almost done....
Guess i will change to Adobe PS CS4 or Lightroom for small format cameras and Canon or Nikon Capture for shooting tehtherd and will not work with a P65 aslong as it is one of the new cameras that are not supported anymore in C1pro3
Everybody argues about anything in C1pro4 - but you guys dont see it.
C1pro4 is a joke - in any way - it is just crap from the bottom to the top. C1pro3 was great - also from the bottom to the top.
Phase One.. be ashamed. You really messed up a great software (if you find any better words, let me know - i dont do anymore)
I had such a hard day with your software - it is just for the bin.
I dont know what you guys think - but i have the feeling you dont do anymore.
I am angry as hell - had an other 3 hours extra work today.
Everybody argues about anything in C1pro4 - but you guys dont see it.
C1pro4 is a joke - in any way - it is just crap from the bottom to the top. C1pro3 was great - also from the bottom to the top.
Phase One.. be ashamed. You really messed up a great software (if you find any better words, let me know - i dont do anymore)
I had such a hard day with your software - it is just for the bin.
I dont know what you guys think - but i have the feeling you dont do anymore.
I am angry as hell - had an other 3 hours extra work today.
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Dear Almost Digital,
I understand you are upset, but posts like this do not do anyone any good at all. You do not tell us anything about what kind of problem you are actually having. If you can create a support case with information about your system, cameras being used, when problems happen and what you are doing when it happens, then we may actually be able to offer some assistance. Also crash reports are great to have as well.0 -
Phase One-
Here's what's wrong with the new software:
1. No simple way to set camera orientation. Some folks have been able to do with a style setting but doesn't work for many people.
2. File renaming can't set counter to desired number of digits.
3. Downloading cf cards doesn't automatically go directly into capture folder. No way to make this a default setting. Have to manually set this up with every new session.
4. No real sessions management within the software. Deleting from the OS finder is not sessions management.
5. Having to select the correct cursor tool when moving between tools palates. As an example, when I go to the color balance palate i have to select the eye drop tool. Then if I go to the crop palate I have to remember to select the crop tool or I'll end up accidentally resetting my color balance because even though I'm in the crop palate the cursor is still doing color balance. If I'm in the crop palate, doesn't that mean I want to crop? So now when I select the crop tool and if I go back to the color balance palate I have to make sure I change my cursor to the eye drop tool again. In 3 7.9 the cursor defaulted to whatever it was last within that palate. Much better when working at a fast pace.
6. 3.7.9 had a nice bright green gear process tag on the thumbnails when finished processing. New software has a very light gray gear process tag which you can barely see.
7. Tagging thumbnails in new version is a joke. What happened to "command T"?
I've been using Capture One since it was called Capture One DSLR version 1.1 It's like Capture One got rid of the basics and replaces them with a pretty interface. Sure, the new software looks nice and modern, but it's supposed to be a working professional tool. Please, go back to being a great capture and raw processing software. Leave the other stuff to Photoshop.0 -
While I was mostly referring to the stability problems mentioned above, these points do have merit so I will answer best I can...
1. No simple way to set camera orientation. Some folks have been able to do with a style setting but doesn't work for many people.
Will be fixed in the future, however exact version is not known. In most cases using Auto orientation on the camera will solve this (of course there are situations where this is not possible, such as shooting straight down).
2. File renaming can't set counter to desired number of digits.
Will be fixed in 4.7. You will be able to choose number of digits, starting number, naming convention, etc.
3. Downloading cf cards doesn't automatically go directly into capture folder. No way to make this a default setting. Have to manually set this up with every new session.
The way it is currently set up it defaults to the session root folder with the ability to auto-generate a folder. this would essentially place the imported files in a folder next to the capture folder which is designed for tethered shots. With this setup you can easily create a new folder with the shot name just by entering it in when you import.
4. No real sessions management within the software. Deleting from the OS finder is not sessions management.
You can access previous sessions from Recent sessions in File menu. However 3.7 did not have the ability to delete sessions either, they could only be removed from the list, which many complained became too long. Expression Media integration coming in 4.7 will allow for more real digital asset management than Capture One could ever do 😊
5. Having to select the correct cursor tool when moving between tools palates. As an example, when I go to the color balance palate i have to select the eye drop tool. Then if I go to the crop palate I have to remember to select the crop tool or I'll end up accidentally resetting my color balance because even though I'm in the crop palate the cursor is still doing color balance. If I'm in the crop palate, doesn't that mean I want to crop? So now when I select the crop tool and if I go back to the color balance palate I have to make sure I change my cursor to the eye drop tool again. In 3 7.9 the cursor defaulted to whatever it was last within that palate. Much better when working at a fast pace.
Agreed there is some seamlessness lost here, however because we now have customizable interfaces and multiple important cursors in some of the tabs, the transition is not as good. For instance the crop palate also has rotation tools. It also lets you perform tasks from any tool without having to change tabs. Instead of clicking on the color tab just to balance a new grey card you can grab the tool itself.
6. 3.7.9 had a nice bright green gear process tag on the thumbnails when finished processing. New software has a very light gray gear process tag which you can barely see.
Yes this could stand be a more noticeable, though you can also see status in batch history. A request for this feature has been logged.
7. Tagging thumbnails in new version is a joke. What happened to "command T"?
Tagging was designed to be more in line with industry standards. You can tag an image now just by pressing any number. Also since CO4 has editable shortcuts you can set a color tag to be anything you want, for instance Command T, or the ever popular "+"0 -
3. Downloading cf cards doesn't automatically go directly into capture folder. No way to make this a default setting. Have to manually set this up with every new session.
The way it is currently set up it defaults to the session root folder with the ability to auto-generate a folder. this would essentially place the imported files in a folder next to the capture folder which is designed for tethered shots. With this setup you can easily create a new folder with the shot name just by entering it in when you import.
to 3.
Why do you make a difference between tethered and downloaded files?
It would be nice to have all raw-files in the capture folder (named and numbered in the same way, withou alway styping a name and caring for the right counter).0 -
1. No simple way to set camera orientation. Some folks have been able to do with a style setting but doesn't work for many people.
PhasOne wrote:
Will be fixed in the future, however exact version is not known. In most cases using Auto orientation on the camera will solve this (of course there are situations where this is not possible, such as shooting straight down).
Yes, auto rotate is fine for a lot of shoots. There are times though when camera is oriented one way but preview is needed to display opposite way. This will be a great fix.
3. Downloading cf cards doesn't automatically go directly into capture folder. No way to make this a default setting. Have to manually set this up with every new session.
PhaseOne wrote:
The way it is currently set up it defaults to the session root folder with the ability to auto-generate a folder. this would essentially place the imported files in a folder next to the capture folder which is designed for tethered shots. With this setup you can easily create a new folder with the shot name just by entering it in when you import.
The process in 3.7.9 worked wonderfully. Whether shooting tethered or downloading from cards, all captures went into the capture folder automatically. You could still tell it to download to a different folder if you wanted to. A way to set download default to go to capture folder would be very helpful.
4. No real sessions management within the software. Deleting from the OS finder is not sessions management.
PhaseOne wrote:
You can access previous sessions from Recent sessions in File menu. However 3.7 did not have the ability to delete sessions either, they could only be removed from the list, which many complained became too long. Expression Media integration coming in 4.7 will allow for more real digital asset management than Capture One could ever do
Just the simple drop down menu that showed the active sessions within Capture One is really all I'm talking about. It did what it was supposed to and nothing more. It didn't need to do anything else.
5. Having to select the correct cursor tool when moving between tools palates. As an example, when I go to the color balance palate i have to select the eye drop tool. Then if I go to the crop palate I have to remember to select the crop tool or I'll end up accidentally resetting my color balance because even though I'm in the crop palate the cursor is still doing color balance. If I'm in the crop palate, doesn't that mean I want to crop? So now when I select the crop tool and if I go back to the color balance palate I have to make sure I change my cursor to the eye drop tool again. In 3 7.9 the cursor defaulted to whatever it was last within that palate. Much better when working at a fast pace.
PhaseOne wrote:
Agreed there is some seamlessness lost here, however because we now have customizable interfaces and multiple important cursors in some of the tabs, the transition is not as good. For instance the crop palate also has rotation tools. It also lets you perform tasks from any tool without having to change tabs. Instead of clicking on the color tab just to balance a new grey card you can grab the tool itself.
To me this is just PhaseOne trying to do too many things. If I'm pounding in a nail all I want is a good hammer, not something that can also drive a screw and scale a fish.
I hope these issues and the others noted earlier are addressed and fixed. I really want to start using the new software for my everyday jobs. Capture One is such an important part of my business that I've actually held off on upgrading my bodies until these issues are fixed.0 -
[quote="Jon" wrote:
Dear Almost Digital,
I understand you are upset, but posts like this do not do anyone any good at all. You do not tell us anything about what kind of problem you are actually having. If you can create a support case with information about your system, cameras being used, when problems happen and what you are doing when it happens, then we may actually be able to offer some assistance. Also crash reports are great to have as well.
Oh - they actually do good as they show how hard it is to work with the new software.
Supportcases - well - i am over that state already.. did do it to often - i cant spend any more hours trying to fix things to work halfway properly. Sending a supportcase while on a job?? You do think somebody has time for those things to do - if they at all got internet connection at all? At least 5 people who got paid are normally around you whaiting for the shoot to go on.
The only way you guys seem to realize the new capture one version is a total faillure in any way is showing how much you are dissapointed in frustration mails like that.0 -
[quote="NN" wrote:
[quote="Jon" wrote:
Dear Almost Digital,
I understand you are upset, but posts like this do not do anyone any good at all. You do not tell us anything about what kind of problem you are actually having. If you can create a support case with information about your system, cameras being used, when problems happen and what you are doing when it happens, then we may actually be able to offer some assistance. Also crash reports are great to have as well.
Oh - they actually do good as they show how hard it is to work with the new software.
Supportcases - well - i am over that state already.. did do it to often - i cant spend any more hours trying to fix things to work halfway properly. Sending a supportcase while on a job?? You do think somebody has time for those things to do - if they at all got internet connection at all? At least 5 people who got paid are normally around you whaiting for the shoot to go on.
The only way you guys seem to realize the new capture one version is a total faillure in any way is showing how much you are dissapointed in frustration mails like that.
This has nothing to do disappointment or seeing capture one as a failure or success. This about trying to help this forum become something that is useful to all rather than a collection of rants and raves. The point is that 4.6.3 is quite stable, other previous versions were not. All workflow related issues aside, if 4.6.3 is crashing all the time then something is not right and perhaps we can help you make it work right.
For the record I have no problem with people expressing their dislike, or sharing the problems they have had with any of our products. All I ask is that you give us some details that may help us solve the problems.0 -
if 4.6.3 is crashing all the time then something is not right and perhaps we can help you make it work right.
For the record I have no problem with people expressing their dislike, or sharing the problems they have had with any of our products. All I ask is that you give us some details that may help us solve the problems.[/quote]
Basically, STOP putting out software that patently doesn't do what it says on the can and with known faults/bugs in it.
And, finally, STOP saying we're working on it, bringing out yet another update that isn't that much better. If Phase One was a car manufacturer you would have had your asses sued off by now. Maybe we should get Ralph Nader involved?
You need to realise this is professional photographers reputations you're dealing with here, not to mention their ability to pay their mortgages. Get it working correctly before adding endless 35mm processing.
What next, Lomo compatibility?0 -
if 4.6.3 is crashing all the time then something is not right and perhaps we can help you make it work right.
For the record I have no problem with people expressing their dislike, or sharing the problems they have had with any of our products. All I ask is that you give us some details that may help us solve the problems.[/quote]
Basically, STOP putting out software that patently doesn't do what it says on the can and with known faults/bugs in it.
And, finally, STOP saying we're working on it, bringing out yet another update that isn't that much better. If Phase One was a car manufacturer you would have had your asses sued off by now. Maybe we should get Ralph Nader involved?
You need to realise this is professional photographers reputations you're dealing with here, not to mention their ability to pay their mortgages. Get it working correctly before adding endless 35mm processing.
What next, Lomo compatibility?
Yours in anticipation - a P45+ owner & possibly a soon to be Leaf digital back owner.0 -
[quote="David" wrote:
if 4.6.3 is crashing all the time then something is not right and perhaps we can help you make it work right.
For the record I have no problem with people expressing their dislike, or sharing the problems they have had with any of our products. All I ask is that you give us some details that may help us solve the problems.
Basically, STOP putting out software that patently doesn't do what it says on the can and with known faults/bugs in it.
And, finally, STOP saying we're working on it, bringing out yet another update that isn't that much better. If Phase One was a car manufacturer you would have had your asses sued off by now. Maybe we should get Ralph Nader involved?
You need to realise this is professional photographers reputations you're dealing with here, not to mention their ability to pay their mortgages. Get it working correctly before adding endless 35mm processing.
What next, Lomo compatibility?
Yours in anticipation - a P45+ owner & possibly a soon to be Leaf digital back owner.[/quote]
Hi David,
The last few releases have centered around P65+ improvements, so it is ridiculous to suggest that we have forgotten about digital backs. The process to add a 35mm camera processing support is quite easy in the new software and that is why you see them included, but make no mistake about it, the purpose behind releases is stability and features that relate directly to digital backs (P65+ performance and images quality, sensor plus, camera controls).
In looking over your posts it is pretty clear that your real gripe is stitching. A quality stitching function is in the pipeline, however we do not expect it before the fall. The reason is that it takes quite a bit of development and we have needed those resources for other parts of the software (we are quite a small company after all). Of course we had stitching in Capture One 3.7, however it was not very good. It could not handle wider lenses with the P45. Frankly photomerge in photoshop is a better solution so it does not make sense for us to release a stitching function until we can devote the resources to making it really great (which we fully intend to do). Also for the record Leaf does not offer stitching in their software.0 -
Count me one. 4.6.3 is unstable on Mac.
Dunno on PC.
Still working on version 3 just because it is very very stable.
I admit developing files from v.4 is much better. No more halo on the highcontrast edge.
If phaseone still believe that v.4 is better than v.3, the problem will be there.
Please give us the stable. It is a must.
Other functions we can wait.
If you look at Phocus, the files quality is better and better.
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On my macpro 2.66 and P45+ it is very stable, faster and better IQ than 3.7. I switched back briefly to 3.7.8 and I was shocked how slower it is than 4.6.3. No way to go back. Period. 0 -
[quote="tantareanu" wrote:
On my macpro 2.66 and P45+ it is very stable, faster and better IQ than 3.7. I switched back briefly to 3.7.8 and I was shocked how slower it is than 4.6.3. No way to go back. Period.
I am using P30+ and P45+ on H2 mostly fashion job. Each session we shoot about 400-700 shots. We have to develop all low res and some selected hi-res. When we switched between different session to develop files. Sometimes it just quit.
Agree v.4.6.3 is very fast but still not stable.
V.3 is robust switch different 10 session for developing never have problems.
kitty0 -
I shoot mainly product, 2-300 pics per session, sometimes more (like 6-700, but fewer ocassions). 0 -
A lot of his points are valid. Particularly the thing about the capture folder. Why the 'move to' folder? Just put all the captures in the capture folder like they used to be. And why do I have to name the capture at about three stages of the process - when creating, importing and processing. The amount of times I've processed a load of shots with the name of the previous session is untrue. Why does it not default to the name of the session you are in when you process the shot?
And it still crashes all the time. And I'm not a huge fan of the dark interface - it's much harder to read. That was one of the reasons I liked Capture One as oppose to Aperture or Lightroom.0 -
I have just started using Capture One 4, coming from DPP (Before that I used Lightroom - which is based on the worst RAW processor on the planet).
PS: I'm working on Capture One 4.1.1 - my Mac is running on 10.4.11 (your system requirements are too tough. My computer is less than two years old).
What I liked immediately on Capture One 4 is the quality of the processed image. It's Lightyears from Lightroom, and better than DPP.
What I have trouble with are workflow issues.
1.One thing that struck me: why do I need a move-to folder. I sometimes change my mind about the choice of image, and then the images are on two different folders. I will not use this feature.
2. The other thing I noticed: I didn't see a progress bar at import. That would be helpful. If my CF-card reader wouldn't blink I couldn't tell if there was anything going on.
3. things I haven't found out how to do:
a. Delete selected images (posted a thread about this)
b. There are two kind of "selections". 1. Select images with a rating of 1-star, for example 2. the image that is displayed in the viewer. And this selection - incomprehensible - outranks the other selection. If I hit "delete", I don't hit the selected images, but I delete the image in the viewer.
c. When I pulled the image back from the trash and into the folder, it landed all the way on the end - but it was image 1. I wanted to put it back to position one - couldn't do it. Couldn't drag it, couldn't do anything. Stays at the end, out of context.
I'm willing to sacrifice some time to get the better quality RAW processing.
But I still hope you fix those workflow issues. I really wonder who invented this workflow that's propagated in the manual. I couldn't work that way.
I think CO is an excellent processor. But to compete with happy-go-lucky-easy-foolproof-Sunday-photographer software (which, in a way, you have to, as many professionals use those, too) you need to make it easier to operate. I am new to it, but I feel that nothing works like other RAW converters. EVerything is 100% different. Sometimes trying to be different can be dangerous formalism. Try to be conventional ins simple workflow issues.
My proposal: Be unconventional in ( higher) quality RAW processing. Be conventional in (a simpler) workflow.
And I like the dark interface.0 -
[quote="Robert" wrote:
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3. things I haven't found out how to do:
a. Delete selected images (posted a thread about this)
b. There are two kind of "selections". 1. Select images with a rating of 1-star, for example 2. the image that is displayed in the viewer. And this selection - incomprehensible - outranks the other selection. If I hit "delete", I don't hit the selected images, but I delete the image in the viewer.
c. When I pulled the image back from the trash and into the folder, it landed all the way on the end - but it was image 1. I wanted to put it back to position one - couldn't do it. Couldn't drag it, couldn't do anything. Stays at the end, out of context.
Answers:
a. see in your other post
b. deletion did not work well in older versions like you use; CO4 has gone a long way (forwards) since then...
c. same an answer b.
A less than 2 years old Mac loves to run OS X 10.5 (and 10.6 soon). There are users than run on 10.4 or on 10.5 with an older PowerPC Mac (not Intel). It is not guaranteed, but worth a try to prevent posting questions about issues that have been resolved or functionality that has changed.0 -
I find it a little uncomfortable that a total newbie to C1 can point out all of these little niggles having only done one job on it! 🤓
Thank heavens he didn't use 3.7 so won't realise what's still missing.
A note to the Robert: Fear not on your purchase as it's always good to read Paul's posts as he has to be one of the most active and optimistic C1 4 user in here. 😉
The rest of us just moan about it a lot.0 -
[quote="Paul_E" wrote:
[quote="Robert" wrote:
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3. things I haven't found out how to do:
a. Delete selected images (posted a thread about this)
b. There are two kind of "selections". 1. Select images with a rating of 1-star, for example 2. the image that is displayed in the viewer. And this selection - incomprehensible - outranks the other selection. If I hit "delete", I don't hit the selected images, but I delete the image in the viewer.
c. When I pulled the image back from the trash and into the folder, it landed all the way on the end - but it was image 1. I wanted to put it back to position one - couldn't do it. Couldn't drag it, couldn't do anything. Stays at the end, out of context.
Answers:
a. see in your other post
b. deletion did not work well in older versions like you use; CO4 has gone a long way (forwards) since then...
c. same an answer b.
A less than 2 years old Mac loves to run OS X 10.5 (and 10.6 soon). There are users than run on 10.4 or on 10.5 with an older PowerPC Mac (not Intel). It is not guaranteed, but worth a try to prevent posting questions about issues that have been resolved or functionality that has changed.
I actually didn't plan to upgrade my operating system. Tiger is running well.
But I really like the way images look when they come from C04.
The high dynamic range tool, which reminds me of Photoshop's Shadow/Highlight, is very good. Generally, with CO4 photos look much more like photos, clearer. With other RAW processors complex surfaces like skin look too solid, almost painted, by comparison.
So, I may set free the 130$ for Snow Leopard this summer.0 -
[quote="Gareth" wrote:
I find it a little uncomfortable that a total newbie to C1 can point out all of these little niggles having only done one job on it! 🤓
Thank heavens he didn't use 3.7 so won't realise what's still missing.
A note to the Robert: Fear not on your purchase as it's always good to read Paul's posts as he has to be one of the most active and optimistic C1 4 user in here. 😉
The rest of us just moan about it a lot.
Oh, I'm not afraid. I felt very happy when I saw my first job processed. I knew immediately that this thing was my thing (as I shoot portraits/people mostly). That sour cream that goes for a skin tone in Lightroom/Camera RAW and that you can't get anywhere close to where you want it even if you sacrifice a goose and a rabbit to the gods? Now THAT'S frustrating.
I have a certain goal of clarity and sensual perception in photography that I think I can get closer to in C04.
If I have the choice between great processing quality and potholes in the workflow or smooth workflow sailing but mediocre processing, then I'll go for the processing quality and try to swallow the bumps.
But, of course, I hope to have a smoother workflow in a not so distant future, and I also hope that Phase One's digital pothole fill crew is working diligently at it.0 -
[quote="Jon" wrote:
What next, Lomo compatibility?
Yours in anticipation - a P45+ owner & possibly a soon to be Leaf digital back owner.
Hi David,
In looking over your posts it is pretty clear that your real gripe is stitching. A quality stitching function is in the pipeline, however we do not expect it before the fall. The reason is that it takes quite a bit of development and we have needed those resources for other parts of the software (we are quite a small company after all). Of course we had stitching in Capture One 3.7, however it was not very good. It could not handle wider lenses with the P45. Frankly photomerge in photoshop is a better solution so it does not make sense for us to release a stitching function until we can devote the resources to making it really great (which we fully intend to do). Also for the record Leaf does not offer stitching in their software.[/quote]
Dear Jon
Maybe I'm being a bit picky here. As you correctly state, one of my gripes is stitching. This as promised way back when dinosaurs walked about (ie C4 in beta), to be there when C4 Pro was launched. I believe the official launch was Photokina last year. It still ain't there.
However, even you, as a Phase One staff person have to admit that for a newly launched 'all singing, all dancing' bit of software to have the ludicrous amount of updates C4 has had, this year alone, MUST mean something isn't fully right with it. There are some bugs in it. OK. Fix them before launching yet another 'new improved' version that still contains them.
This is like Fidelity offering darkslides with only slightly non light tight sheaths or say not quite 5x4/10x8 so the film almost fits.
So yes. One of my gripes is the lack of stitching - because it was promised. However, my main gripe is being taken for an unpaid tester on a bit of software I've paid for to process the files from an expensive bit hardware I've also paid for.
The only reason I can see that I need C1 or 4 for is to create the LCC if I'm on a sliding back or have movements on the camera. Correct me if I'm wrong. The reason I purchased the PRO version over DB meant I could have one workflow/file processing software for both the P back & my Nikons. So, if you can tell me how to create a LCC for a P45+ in Adobe - fantastic - I'm back to one piece of software that does it all seamlessly. I'll send the Capture 4 disc back to HQ to reclaim the cost of it for being "not fit for the purpose".0
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