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Capture One 7 Express - Catalogs.

Andrew Currie
First time I've had to post, so be gentle with me...

I used C One from version 3 and loved it, but this Catalogs thing on v7 has me beat!!....I simply haven't been able to find any info that I can digest that explains the idea of the catalogs and how they should be used.

I've seen that there are many youtube videos and many forum entries on here and have ploughed through many of them trying to raise my understanding.

As I do mostly weddings, I have many individual folders of "work" and would like to see these treated as individually imported folders with CO changes stored along with the original files. My understanding is that, at present, every file I open is imported into 1 large Catalog. I'd prefer that to be separated into folders such as "wedding 1", "wedding2" etc as this would mean that I can go back to each wedding at a later date and redo images if required.

If anyone can suggest any good block diagrams detailing the use of catalogs, I'd appreciate a link please!! - also, if anyone can suggest how I can achieve a workflow as outlined above, I'd love to hear from you!

Thanks for taking the time to read my post.

Andy
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  • mli20
    Welcome here..

    Catalogs are only available in the Pro version of CaptureOne. Might I suggest a bit of reading in the user guide, and that you take a look at the Sessions tutorials available. I believe sessions will work nicely for you, but you're most welcome here in the forums again.

    Good luck, and enjoy.

    Cheers,
    Mogens
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  • Keith Reeder
    [quote="mli20" wrote:
    Welcome here..

    Catalogs are only available in the Pro version of CaptureOne.

    Nope, not true. In fact all Express has got is a catalogue. Sessions are Pro only...
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  • SFA
    [quote="mli20" wrote:
    Welcome here..

    Catalogs are only available in the Pro version of CaptureOne. Might I suggest a bit of reading in the user guide, and that you take a look at the Sessions tutorials available. I believe sessions will work nicely for you, but you're most welcome here in the forums again.

    Good luck, and enjoy.

    Cheers,
    Mogens


    Mogens,

    It's the other way around. Catalog is the only option in Express V7 - no sessions functionality at the time of writing.

    Using Pro it is your choice to use sessions, catalogues or some combination of the two.

    There are some other major differences as well but this differentiation is the most obvious one when starting to use the software.


    Grant

    ETA. I see Keith just beat me to the response!
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  • mli20
    I stand corrected, thanks guys, and my apologies to Andy.

    Cheers,
    Mogens
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  • mli20
    Andy, I'll make another attempt.

    I believe that the important thing for you is to be aware of the difference between...

    - referenced files, and
    - in-catalog files, also called managed files

    Referenced files are left in place in the OS filing system, even after importing them into the catalog, as it is information about the image files that get imported, not the image files themselves. They are left in place, i.e. in whichever folder they have been moved into from your memory card.

    With the in-catalog option the image files are removed from the original folder, then to be held inside the catalog file itself.

    I think you will find this useful:

    Catalogs – Working with Managed or Referenced Image Files


    Cheers,
    Mogens
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  • Keith Reeder
    Yep, that's a way to do it - with the caveat that you'll have to ingest your images from the card to the computer before you then import them into Capture One, or "Current Location" will be the memory card.

    So no more using Capture One to get them onto your machine, as far as I can see - which means an extra level of process for every folder's-worth of images that you want Capture One to convert.

    Not my idea of an particularly efficient workflow, I have to say...
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  • mli20
    I'd never trust anything other than the camera maker's software to lift my images off memory cards and at the same time take a back-up.

    It also have superior facilities for at the same time creating a folder hierarchy as per my needs.

    Makes for a very efficient workflow - for me. 😉

    Cheers,
    Mogens
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  • Andrew Currie
    Always good to start a fight!!

    Thank you guys for your feedback and the link to "Referenced Files", which I now understand is what I have.

    I'll need to reread this a few tines to get it to sink in but it's looking promising! If anyone else has any good links to info that I may find helpful, I'd like to see them.

    I think it's fair to say that the v8 of CO needs to do away with this total rubbish. It was perfectly ok up to they changed it!

    Have a nice weekend. Birthday tomorrow and wine has already been poured...

    Andy
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  • Keith Reeder
    [quote="NN238376UL1" wrote:
    I think it's fair to say that the v8 of CO needs to do away with this total rubbish. It was perfectly ok up to they changed it!


    Yep, with you on that, Andy - it has always felt like a completely petty, arbitrary decision to inflict such a limiting (and unexpected) workflow decision on Express users who had been getting on very well, thank you with sessions for years.

    I'm just as disappointed by the abandonment in 7 Express of the ability to process a file simply by pressing Crtl-D on the keyboard - now we have to jump through an entire Export dialogue for every file we want to convert.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
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    I'm just as disappointed by the abandonment in 7 Express of the ability to process a file simply by pressing Crtl-D on the keyboard - now we have to jump through an entire Export dialogue for every file we want to convert.

    Did you already create a shortcut for the File > Export > Variant command? (not sure editing keyboard shortcuts is supported in Express).
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  • Keith Reeder
    I've been unable to make that work in Express, Paul - I've tried. There's no "Export" option at all in the shortcut creation dialogue.

    It's infuriating that I can't use a keyboard shortcut to develop/export a file in 7 Express: I can do this in every other Raw converter I use - every last one - and could in Express pre version 7. Intentionally breaking fundamental and longstanding workflow functions like this, is an abysmally poor design strategy.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
    I've been unable to make that work in Express, Paul - I've tried. There's no "Export" option at all in the shortcut creation dialogue.

    It's infuriating that I can't use a keyboard shortcut to develop/export a file in 7 Express: I can do this in every other Raw converter I use - every last one - and could in Express pre version 7. Intentionally breaking fundamental and longstanding workflow functions like this, is an abysmally poor design strategy.

    You can, because I just did it in Express, and I am not smarter than you. 😉
    Duplicate the keyboard set, go to File > Variant... and press the keycombination you want (I did Shift+Ctrl+D).
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  • Keith Reeder
    Does that go straight to actually developing/exporting the file for you, Paul?

    It doesn't for me.

    That's the behaviour I want to replicate - the pre-v7 behaviour - but this simply opens the Export dialogue for me, so it's still an extra step in the develop/export process compared to the "good old days".

    I know it just needs one extra keystroke - Enter - but it's not the same as the old Ctrl-D shortcut.

    Appreciate the help though: when I first tried to do this (I have before), I got a warning message (in red, so it must be serious! 😉) saying that Ctrl-D could not be used because it was already a reserved combination, so I didn't persevere: but it has actually accepted Ctrl-D anyway, despite the warning..!
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    I get the Export dialog as you described, Keith. That is not the same as the fast Ctrl-D command in the pre-CO7 days, I agree.
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  • Keith Reeder
    Oh, I can live with Ctrl-D/Enter Paul - I've had the same thing in DxO Optics Pro recently, where from version 8 to 9, the conversion shortcut went from Ctrl-K to Ctrl-K/Enter.

    Now if I can only get that "File exported" pop-up to behave itself...
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