C1 and Media Pro SE WorkFlow
I have viewed about the only video series I can find on working with these two products together. Its a series of 7 videos. They are not bad, but very dated. Maybe the concepts presented still hold true but would much rather see PhaseOne keep their tutorials current. Possibly there is a good set of newer videos I have not discovered.
Several Questions:
Ingest into C1 or MP First
What Im curious about is wether MP users ingest the raw files into MP pro first, and then cull, rate in MP and then just bounce out to C1 (or other software for edits) or do you ingest into C1 first and do all of that work, then ingest into MP. (This is the way the videos seem to recommend).
Culling
I come from the Aperture World, but have been with C1 since v8 and do like it a lot. As a DAM its really worthless and so I use sessions which while new to me at the time are beautiful for portability (editing and relocating the files back to my main computer). One thing I do miss is the ability to Cull Photos really quick and not sure if the eventual solution is something like PhotoMechenic first. Hate to buy a package "just" for this process but wanted to get some others opinions.
Tagging People in MP
This is more for my personal shooting. Lets say was on a vacation and wanted to annotate the family members in the picture. I might have 7000 shots then reduce to 4 or 5 thousand I want to keep, but then find "people I know" in the shots later. right now it seems I would have to multi-select a given individual, then drag to the PEOPLE/person annotation. Then do this for the next person. Is there a faster way?
Thanks for any suggestions. I know everyone does things differently. Just wish I could find a bit more resources online to explore some options.
Several Questions:
Ingest into C1 or MP First
What Im curious about is wether MP users ingest the raw files into MP pro first, and then cull, rate in MP and then just bounce out to C1 (or other software for edits) or do you ingest into C1 first and do all of that work, then ingest into MP. (This is the way the videos seem to recommend).
Culling
I come from the Aperture World, but have been with C1 since v8 and do like it a lot. As a DAM its really worthless and so I use sessions which while new to me at the time are beautiful for portability (editing and relocating the files back to my main computer). One thing I do miss is the ability to Cull Photos really quick and not sure if the eventual solution is something like PhotoMechenic first. Hate to buy a package "just" for this process but wanted to get some others opinions.
Tagging People in MP
This is more for my personal shooting. Lets say was on a vacation and wanted to annotate the family members in the picture. I might have 7000 shots then reduce to 4 or 5 thousand I want to keep, but then find "people I know" in the shots later. right now it seems I would have to multi-select a given individual, then drag to the PEOPLE/person annotation. Then do this for the next person. Is there a faster way?
Thanks for any suggestions. I know everyone does things differently. Just wish I could find a bit more resources online to explore some options.
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As far as culling goes, I cannot recommend Photo Mechanic enough. Its an awesome piece of software thats perfect for culling and key-wording.. This is especially true if you have a lot of photos to sort through.
However, I have two culling rounds and this may answer another one of your questions.
Photo Mechanic is good because its fast, blazingly fast. Stable too.
It has many, many features that you may or may not need, but they are all time savers.
I'm not affiliated with these guys in any way except a customer, a very happy customer. 😄
However, where it fails is its ability to "see" the raw files as C1 does. A picture that may look like its toast due to over/under exposure in PM could actually be saved when opened in C1.
So I first cull the obvious in PM. Pics that are way out of focus,trigger happy shots of the ground, multi shots of the same scene, etc. I then keyword the best I can.
A lot of the keywording can be done upon downloading or as PM calls it, "ingesting". You can have different layouts (they call 'em "IPTC Stationary Pads") for different types of shoots to speed things up as far as keywording goes.
After that, I will create a session and do a second cull. A slower process since this where the editing takes place as well.
This is also a good time to check the keywording and add as needed.
Finally, I send them to my C1 catalog and LR catalog. You would of course send them to Media Pro.0 -
JIMMY D UPTAIN,
Thanks for the reply. I jumped over and took a look at the photo mechanic. Looks not too shabby. Maybe way overkill at this time for me, but will ply with it for the trial.
I did notice a few things strange though, in MP I use the PEOPLE section. These did not show up in PM when embedded into the RAW file. Actually not much did even though I played with the settings in both MP and PM. Once I told both programs to use the amp sidecars everything was perfect (at initial glance)
Your workflow closely follow mine with the exception of the initial PM part. I might use PM to see if really helps culling on bigger jobs (1000 - 7000 shots). Right now I do all the tagging in MP. Its not bad, but not great at tagging. Frag and drop is great until your drag-to list gets long 😊 There must me a way to type it in as well, but the boxes at the side are super small and can't adjust.
Curious why you have/maintain a Lightroom and C1 catalog?0 -
There are definitive metadata standards including EXIF and IPTC Core which Media Pro (and Photo Mechanic) thankfully adheres to. Interoperability with other apps depends on whether they use all or part of that standard. has long been a great resource for this.
The 'People' tag is a very old tag. IPTC fields are the most widely adopted. Keywords are in IPTC as a flat field but Hierarchical Keywords are not. Media Pro uses the Adobe namespace for that as they're 400lb gorilla so many other apps read and write them too.0 -
Thanks for the reply roberte.
Right now Im really thinking of sticking with keywords rather than hierarchal. Seems like offer greater flexibility.
I just have to experiment a bit to see if this is how Photo Mechanic adds them.
Also, seems like sticking with XMP sidecars might not be a bad idea either as this seems to keep Media Pro and Photo Mechanic playing nice.0 -
Photo Mechanic , Media Pro , ACDSEE, C1 , and... and .... 🙄
do you have rest time for taking Picture ?
in just one Software you can edit , find and shear your Photos to people ?
you just have to make only a decision .
some people are only buying but not really using it effectively to there work,
authors just having fun for testing software and written comments.
if you have a company with automation workflow i advice you to spend moor Time for a working concept.
for me C1 9 is enough ❗️0 -
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I just have to experiment a bit to see if this is how Photo Mechanic adds them.
Flat keywords are more widely adopted and better for roundtrip metadata between apps. Some apps can destroy the hierarchy or create duplicate keywords when sharing a hierarchical keyword structure.[quote="NN635399196184276250UL" wrote:
Also, seems like sticking with XMP sidecars might not be a bad idea either as this seems to keep Media Pro and Photo Mechanic playing nice.
Media Pro works well with sidecar files, it reads, writes, appends and moves or deletes them when you move or delete the corresponding raw file. That's THE BIG FEATURE Phase One added when they acquired Expression Media/iView.0 -
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JIMMY D UPTAIN,
Curious why you have/maintain a Lightroom and C1 catalog?
Three reasons:
First the LR catalog works way better than C1 (for now). Its easier to search and its faster. Time and real estate are two commodities where there is a finite amount. I hate wasting time.
Two: I use Photoshop and since they both come as part of the CC subscription, why not use it. PS can do many things that neither program can do, so I find it indispensable (for now).
Three: There are some instances where LR does a better job on the file. However, with every update of C1 this is increasingly rare.
One other thing I want to mention.
Although Media Pro does a good job at cataloging, it will not send an accurate representation of the file in an email.
This gives it limited use in my workflow.0 -
About the People tagging question, one way to do it in Media Pro which saves some long drags if you have a longggg People list (like me):
I make a Catalog Set for that session only, at the top of the list of Sets for easiest access. I make sub-sets in the Catalog Set for each person I think is going to be in that particular group of photos.
I switch to the special View layout I have for People tagging. This is just a 6-up thumbnail layout with only Ratings field showing (since I usually do some casual rating as I go along, but this isn't a dedicated session for that)
I evaluate my 6-up layout, select and drag each picture to the appropriate Set(s) of my newly created temp Catalog Sets. When all people have been tagged from the group of 6, I hit Page Down to begin evaluating the next group of 6 images.
When I get to the end, I move to my new Catalog Sets. In each Set I do a select-all and then apply the People name for that Set en masse (either by dragging or typing it in the Info panel)
After adding all the names I can delete the temp Catalog Sets I made for that People tagging session.0 -
Thanks for that people Tagging Solution. The issue was/is that my list of people are LONG ... this will make it very much simpler. I do love the fact MP is so lightning fast working with the Catalog. 0
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