New rating system in C1 v6
Hi all... I have to share an issue that's driving me crazy in the new C1 v6. The rating system has changed back to something we saw in previous versions of C1 (v3), whereby, once you have made initial ratings - lets say 1-sar ratings, and you go back through to make 2-star ratings - these will automatically jump to the top! This is infuriating!!!
V5 had the option to "resort" Why on earth has this option been taken away? One again, Phase One, you have changed something that never needed to be changed, and now i have to change my workflow system to something more productive. Surely the whole use of the rating system is that you can go through your edits making different numbered ratings. When they are forever jumping to the top, this takes the workflow out of order, and you have to find your place all over again.
Phase One - is there a way around this?? Or do i need to design myself a new way of editing all over again?
SLP
V5 had the option to "resort" Why on earth has this option been taken away? One again, Phase One, you have changed something that never needed to be changed, and now i have to change my workflow system to something more productive. Surely the whole use of the rating system is that you can go through your edits making different numbered ratings. When they are forever jumping to the top, this takes the workflow out of order, and you have to find your place all over again.
Phase One - is there a way around this?? Or do i need to design myself a new way of editing all over again?
SLP
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Apparently your sort order is set to Rating instead to a more regular Name. By the way, are you on 6.0.1?
(software has bugs, but never underestimate the user) 😁0 -
The software is 6.0.1 and as far as i know, the user is operating just fine... Thanks Paul. 0 -
[quote="Paul_E" wrote:
Apparently your sort order is set to Rating instead to a more regular Name. By the way, are you on 6.0.1?
(software has bugs, but never underestimate the user) 😁
Paul,
I agree with SLP, in bridge when I upgrade a rating say from 3 to 4 the image may disappear but my place is kept in the que because bridge just moves over to the next 3. Currently in C16.0.1 when rating is selected the image moves and C1 stays with that image so I lose my place in the que.
This is a bummer because I have gotten in the habit of moving quickly through a large number of files from a shoot and rating all the ones I like 3 then being more deliberate rating the ones I really like up to 4 and others down to 2. So I would like to see a more bridge like behavior where the files I upgrade move but my selection just moves over to the next file keeping my place in the que.0 -
I agree the jumping MUST STOP. or at least add an "auto sort" feature that can be disabled. Nothing drives photographers more insane on set than when they are trying to edit and images are bouncing around. MAJOR issue here.... we had solved this why are we taking steps backwards?? 0 -
+1 - I've been very annoyed with this as well. Slowing me down!
It always surprises me how rarely developers simply implement these kinds of things as preferences. I'm sure there are some people that do prefer it the way it currently works. Make it an option in preferences and make everybody happy!0 -
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Especially working with art directors on set who do not use C1P everyday but know enough to work in it without constant supervision, its very frustrating for them to edit. I can't imagine who thought that would be a good idea. Again I think they need to open their beta testing to a wider pool as I find bugs like this right away on a shoot.0 -
[quote="SAlessi" wrote:
.... we had solved this why are we taking steps backwards??
Thanks to the posts here, I now understand the issue (the jumping, losing track where you left). However, regarding the 'we had solved this...', I went back to 5.2.1 and the situation was not solved but being completely static instead. There was no kind of auto-sort, at least not on my systems (I tried both Win & Mac).
Anyway, I will bring it to Phase One's attention and copy the URL to this thread in as well.0 -
[quote="Paul_E" wrote:
However, regarding the 'we had solved this...', I went back to 5.2.1 and the situation was not solved but being completely static instead. There was no kind of auto-sort, at least not on my systems (I tried both Win & Mac).
Anyway, I will bring it to Phase One's attention and copy the URL to this thread in as well.
Paul... The option on the rating system in 5.2.1 is "resort". By far, this had to be one of the best things about the software. The ability to make different numbered ratings without loosing the place in the editing que.'if you did not have that option, previous version of this software (up until version 3) had the ability to reset the rating system twice in order to resort the rating order.
The best point made in prevois quotes. What Phase One needs to understand - it's not only technical photographers and digi techs using this software. It's also Art Directors that may only have limited knowledge of the software. When Phase One changes this editing system from something that worked very well to something that is inherrantly flawed, it can effect our standing on those jobs.
Please talk to Photographers more on your next update as it's obvious that there is not enough dialogue between the developers and the everyday users of this software. We want productive functionality more than whistles and bells
SLP0 -
[quote="NN130526UL" wrote:
Paul...
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Please talk to Photographers more on your next update as it's obvious that there is not enough dialogue between the developers and the everyday users of this software. We want productive functionality more than whistles and bells
SLP
SLP, I assume that you like to address the statement above to Phase One, not to me. I second your opinion by the way.0 -
Hello
It is correct that Capture One 5 had a resorting instead of doing it automatically.
Trust me, we had a lot of photographers that found this annoying.
Basically this was one more step for them to do, to re-sort instead of the software just doing it for them which they where used to from CO 3.7.xPlease talk to Photographers more on your next update as it's obvious that there is not enough dialogue between the developers and the everyday users of this software. We want productive functionality more than whistles and bells
This is exactly what we did.
When you have your sorting to set to "Rating" then of course your picture moves to the top, since this is the sort order you have selected.
To avoid this behavior, sort by any other criteria.
If you then want to see the rated images together then change sorting criteria to Rating.
This is not be more work then choosing to re-sort.
If you would like a short cut for it, then Sort criterias are all available in "Edit Keyboard Shortcuts"0 -
[quote="Ulf" wrote:
When you have your sorting to set to "Rating" then of course your picture moves to the top, since this is the sort order you have selected.
To avoid this behavior, sort by any other criteria.
If you then want to see the rated images together then change sorting criteria to Rating.
It is not the pictures moving to the top that is the problem. It is the selected image continuing to be the one you just rated. If i am going through a job with an Art Director or they are driving the it is infuriating to lose our place in the que especially with a large number of images.
The current system will work fine if you only sort once. But the reality is with 2000 files in front of you it is most expedient to quickly sort out the images that give a positive first impression and then go back through at least once but in many cases two or more times to refine the selection down to the best six files.
You can sort quickly and then transfer the selected files to a "selects" folder but resorting results in the same negative behavior and clients often want to go back through and make sure we have the best so I will only use a "selects folders for the last two groups in the sorting process.
This is a real problem or if you like design flaw. The solution is to move the selected file to the top and just have the preview image move to the next in the que.0 -
Jeff,
You raise a good point but many photographers might not want their selected image to change after rating it. You could say you only want this to happen when the sort order is set on rating but this would lead to a consistency problem in my opinion.
Also, what happens when changing the rating when going through images sorted by rating? Do you want the selection to jump ahead via rating or filename?
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JUST MAKE AUTO SORT AN OPTION THEN EVERYONE IS HAPPY
so obvious it needed caps.0 -
[quote="Rick142" wrote:
Jeff,
You raise a good point but many photographers might not want their selected image to change after rating it. You could say you only want this to happen when the sort order is set on rating but this would lead to a consistency problem in my opinion.
Also, what happens when changing the rating when going through images sorted by rating? Do you want the selection to jump ahead via rating or filename?
Rick
Rick,
I would prefer it to work as Bridge does. There you can select how and which files display so we would each have the freedom to tailor the behavior as we see fit. Currently we are locked into a specific mode which does not work well for me and others who have commented here.
The file jumps when rating changes but stays in order as shot and that is fine so as long as the option to move to the next file in the que is available I am happy.
Making auto sort an option is less desirable since I like the behavior as a whole just not the jumping forward every time a file is upgraded.
This should not be hard we can currently sort by a number of categories just add 1*, 2*, 3* etc... as an option and problem solved with maximum flexibility for all.0 -
Jeff,
I just tried Bridge and found that when I selected an image and gave it a rating (this is when sort by rating is selected), the selected image moves to the top or bottom of the page and remains selected. However the window position doesn't change so it is easy to select the next image providing you can remember which one it was.
Is this what you mean? If so it is basically the Window Position that you want to remain the same and that sounds like a reasonable option to have.
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Rick,
In bridge you can select individual star ratings to display so if you only want to see #3s just check that. When you upgrade an image to #4 without ticking any of the options in the filter> ratings box the image stays put and does not move at all. If you check #3 the image you just upgraded disappears and bridge moves to the next file.
If you check #3 and #4 the images stay put and only the rating is changed at least that is the way my copy works. By the way I always work in filmstrip mode.
The only thing I am after is once I have run through a large job and made preliminary selects I use 3* and I am making further selections either 4* or 2* for C1 to hold my place in the que. Either by providing an option to keep the files in current order, no jumping, or letting them jump but then moving to the next 3* so my place is held in line.0 -
Jeff, I see. Thanks for taking the trouble to explain the Bridge process.
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I totally agree with the original post. It's was so much better in C5, why bring back a function from C3?! It is embarrassing to my photographer clients who are used to editing but now they have to change the way they work as images disappear and jump as you tag if you are in rating sort. This is terribly inefficient as you have to go back to sort by name or date if you want to keep track of where you are!
Please, please bring back the efficiency of not having to do this, it's a step backwards.
Say you have edited a folder with stars, then come back to it to do more editing: You sort by rating, then start changing star ratings, which makes the images move all over the place with no way of keeping track..0 -
I also agree with the original post.
I just posted this: viewtopic.php?f=41&t=9943#p43906
and then checked this MAC-side and saw this thread... 😊
In my post I have described my workflow and it has been very productive (at least for me).
PhaseONE: PLEASE make this user selectable, please...0 -
By popular demand Capture One 6.1 will not move a rated image until you select another image. In other words, you wont lose your place and all the starred images stay ranked together 😄 0 -
Jon,
Yes, I was playing with the new rating system yesterday and just want to say thanks for solving this in a way that would appear to make everyone happy.0
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