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D750 generic profile too red?

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Since upgrading my D600's to D750's, I seem to have been fighting too much red in the skin tones. White balancing with whibal card, calibrated monitor, shooting raw, and on the latest C1 v9.1 release. This happens with and without a white balance card.

I've struggled to correct this with the color balance wheel, and as I am a wedding photographer, that's a lot of images even with copy/paste.

I had the crazy idea today of substituting the D600 generic profile for the D750 profile and to my surprise, the excessive redness is pleasingly gone. None of the other settings, e.g., sharpness, color temp, etc seem to be impacted. I fully reset another image, applied the D600 profile, and the excessive redness was gone.

Does this make sense? Can any other D750 users comment on this or test? This is not a lens profile issue... happens with Nikon 18-35, 24-85vr, and 70-200 F4 vr.

Thanks... Alan
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  • Permanently deleted user
    I don't know if you still follow thread after so long time, but I may help you. I just changed from Canon 5D Mark III with pro optics over to Nikon D750 with pro optics.

    I compared sky and grass with Lightroom, CO and NX. Lightroom and NX slipped on their butts while CO had no problems reproducing the actual colors.

    I can evaluate skin tone if you send 2 crops to me, I'm kinda color geek.. It's not a problem getting color back tho, my problem under is quite a bit bigger.

    You can check my problem, please check your own transitions and gradients if you see same thing as I did on this thread, also check my image please:

    viewtopic.php?f=61&t=22739&p=109400&hilit=nikon&sid=8d964b1c64f0fb316dae827da9d465db#p109400


    Regards,
    Aleksander
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  • NN635770922769309595UL
    Alan

    I'm neither a pro nor a wedding photographer but I am serious enough about photography to have invested in a D750. I pulled up a couple of portrait shots, cloned the images, applied the D610 profile, compared with the originals, and there was no difference in skin tones.

    Regards
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  • Keith Reeder
    [quote="Alan 2" wrote:
    I had the crazy idea today of substituting the D600 generic profile for the D750 profile and to my surprise, the excessive redness is pleasingly gone. None of the other settings, e.g., sharpness, color temp, etc seem to be impacted. I fully reset another image, applied the D600 profile, and the excessive redness was gone.

    Does this make sense?

    Yep, some of us have been complaining (primarily, but not only, in the Canon camp) about overly "warm" profiles for years - and that's no exaggeration, I do mean years.

    And still it continues.

    A work-around I've long recommended is the one you've identified, which is to use an older camera's profile: they're routinely less red/orange than current "problem" profiles.
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  • BeO
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    [quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:

    Yep, some of us have been complaining (primarily, but not only, in the Canon camp) about overly "warm" profiles for years - and that's no exaggeration, I do mean years.

    And still it continues.

    A work-around I've long recommended is the one you've identified, which is to use an older camera's profile: they're routinely less red/orange than current "problem" profiles.


    What changed in the process of creating profiles over the years?

    Is it a team or a single persons effort (e.g. from the Image Quality Professor).
    Do we observe a shift in personal preferences/taste or impact of age to the human visual system (I am suffering from that in a common way but colors I don't know).
    Or is there a change in equipment, hard or software, used to create profiles.
    Or has the effort grown exponentially given the sheer mass of new supported camera models at the expense of working accurately.
    Or is there an increased emphasis on 3D gradients compared to correct flat color reproduction (which I have heard are somewhat converse goals).

    Isn't it the image quality C1 is famous for and thus should be the area P1 listens to its users very carefully?

    BeO
    P.S. No accusations just questions.
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  • RichardT
    I had a similar experience when I upgraded my Canon 40D to a 7D2, the initial Capture One profile provided for the 7D2 produced very exaggerated orange tones in many photos. After much effort and persistence we persuaded Phase One to produce a "V2" profile for the 7D2 which gives more realistic colours.

    The most convincing way to persuade Phase One is to shoot the same scene, under the same conditions using the new camera and another camera (preferably from the same manufacturer) that has a default Capture One profile that gives realistic colours.

    You then need to raise a support case to request a V2 profile for your camera. Attach the RAW files from both cameras, plus exported JPEGs (using default Capture One settings) that demonstrate the problem with Capture One's handling of colours for the new camera.

    Also, the more people that raise a support case, the more likely Phase One are to accept there is a problem.

    Richard
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