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Aperture to C1 11 migration problems

vvassil
Good morning

I am an Aperture user (serious amateur) and trying to move to C1 11 (running a trial version). During the migration tests I came across 2 issues:
1. When the imported Aperture library resides in my computer's HD (i.e. desktop, or pictures folder), there is an exclamation mark (!) next to the parent folder. Otherwise the subfolders hierarchy is shown fine, and there is no problem with editing, etc of the photos. When I import the same library, but with the masters referenced in an external HD this (!) disappears.

2. Many of the imported photos, either reside in my internal or external HD have been marked by C1 as adjusted (have never been adjusted before in Aperture). There is no logic which photos are selected as adjusted (looked at metadata, camera make, shooting conditions etc).
I used an older version of C1 (8.3 for sony) with the same Aperture libraries, and these 2 problems disappeared!!!

Support was unable to help me (referred this issue to R+D) . I tried different user account as suggested, no effect.

I would appreciate your thoughts and experience

Many thanks

Vassilis
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  • Permanently deleted user
    If it works, just cross your fingers and keep going. 😄

    I don't have a Mac nor Aperture library experience, so someone else might provide better insight.

    Cheers
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  • vvassil
    Thanks, but I spent 10 days around with C1 (during holidays, re spare time), and I am really disappointed. ?Moving to Lightroom. I do not like the idea of monthly payment.

    For the time being I will stick with Aperture
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Where do you see the exclamation mark: in the Finder window or in Aperture? Is it Aperture's usual exclamation mark within a rounded-cornered triangle? If in Aperture, it means that Aperture couldn't find the folder/image: it got moved or deleted.

    If your Aperture library was referenced, just open C1 and manually add all of the referenced folders to the catalog and then sync each folder. That will bring all of your images/metadata into C1 using the folder structure you now have. It won't bring albums or other Aperture-specific constructs over, but your images will be fine. You can then work from there.

    If you've got a managed Aperture library, first convert it to Referenced and then use the above steps.

    I've posted more detailed info in earlier C1 forums, as have others. At this point we don't see nearly as many Aperture conversion questions as when C1 v8-9 were out, so you might try searching those forums. (I wish Phase One just had one Mac C1 forum instead of separate ones for each version).
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  • Sheldon Chang
    [quote="vvassil" wrote:
    I used an older version of C1 (8.3 for sony) with the same Aperture libraries, and these 2 problems disappeared!


    If that'll work, can't you just import your Aperture libraries into an older version of C1 Pro and then just upgrade those to the latest version?

    I made the jump from Aperture to C1 Pro at Capture One 9. I had lot of photos to move. I ran into a few hiccups, but nothing that I wasn't able to resolve.
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  • vvassil
    Thanks for the replies

    I attach a screen shot. The (!) is next to the *.apilibrary, listed in the folders in C1 (managed library transferred to C1 with the "insert Aperture library). It works ok, but I can not understand why the (!). If I try with a referenced library (masters in external HD) it is fine.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/q5958ou6f4sxb ... 1.png?dl=0

    What concerns me most is that after the transfer (either ways) many photos in C1 are marked as adjusted (without any logic, have not been adjusted in aperture). This did not happen in C8. I tried to upgrade the C8 to C11 catalogue as suggested, and this phenomenon appeared again in C11, so I think it is a bug of C11.

    Thanks
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  • SFA
    Your best option would be to create a Support Case and ask the Phase team to comment on your concerns.
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  • Eric Valk
    I have created a support case with Phase One, as I am experiencing the same issue with the "adjusted" parameter in Advanced Find.

    @vvassil I encourage you to open a support case as well. Actually best if you open two cases, one for each issue.
    What kind of cameras are you using?

    [quote="Case#296801" wrote:

    Something very odd and confusing going on with advanced find and the "adjusted" parameter. And possibly with the adjustments clipboard. In my main catalog (16250 images) in the all images directory with advanced find I select variants which are from Panasonic and Olympus cameras, and which have been adjusted. Many of the found images do not have any adjustment that I can discern. When I copy adjustments to the adjustments clipboard, there are no adjustments listed on the clipboard, and I cannot paste the adjustment clipboard (behaves as if it is empty).

    Changing the variant from Capture One 10 engine to 11 does not change the behaviour. If I make a new variant, the advanced find search for adjusted variants does not find it. A direct comparison of adjustment menus doesn't indicate any difference. Copying the metadata to the new variant doesn't change the behaviour.

    Advanced find shows that every single one of my Olympus E-M1, Panasonic GX7, GM1, G5, GX1 and G1 variants is adjusted with the exception of perhaps 5 variants. That's not realistic.
    Strangely enough, of my GM5 variants, only 24 out of 278 are shown as adjusted. This is realistic.
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  • vvassil
    Hi Eric

    I have done that already (they are referring the case to the R+D dept).
    My cameras are Nikon D700, Fuji XT2, Sony RX100 III, Olympus TG5, and iPhone 7s. There is no difference in this C1 behaviour between cameras, nor NEF of JPEGs. Odd!!!

    Thanks
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  • SFA
    The "Adjusted" flag may be something to do with Lens adjustments?

    That said are you mostly importing jpg with the Version 8 test? I would have though that some of your cameras might not be recognised, for RAW files, by V8 - but I'm not really sure of the relevant release dates.
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  • Eric Valk
    [quote="vvassil" wrote:
    Hi Eric
    I have done that already (they are referring the case to the R+D dept).
    My cameras are Nikon D700, Fuji XT2, Sony RX100 III, Olympus TG5, and iPhone 7s. There is no difference in this C1 behaviour between cameras, nor NEF of JPEGs. Odd!!!
    Thanks

    The way things work in Phase One is that the more users are affected, the higher prioritised the response. With little user feedback some bugs are never fixed.

    For example, I have been complaining for over two years that lens identification does not work for JPEGs from Panasonic cameras, but I am the only user complaining. The supporters agree that it is broken, but the R&D prioritisation has become quite clear, they will not fix it.

    So it is always worthwhile opening a ticket, even if it is a duplicate.

    On the technical side it is always important to know if the problem only occurrs with one user or many users. So now we see it in two quite different installations, with RAW and JPEG, many cameras, and 6 vendors.

    I do notice however that for images from the GM5 the behaviour seems OK.
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  • vvassil
    Dear SFA and Eric

    It is not related to lens adjustments, since my C1 Sony version V8.3 (express) does not include such modality. My Sonys, Nikon Olympus and I phone are recognised by C1 V8. Only Nikon is un-edible, the rest are ok.

    Cheers
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